Attachment to Stability

[Nagual Menagerie]

People are tied to their identities like anchors to a boat.  We forget to pull up the anchor occasionally, but we are on a boat.  Boats are made to move.  Changing the personality doesn't mean deviating from core values.  Changing the personality means finding numerous ways to express those core values.  It means having a greater ability, within our grasp, to shift ourselves to more appropriate APs as the context demands.  Changing APs is as simple as learning a new method of self-expression.  Staying the same person is possible even when the shell changes or the skin sheds.  Consciousness remains even beyond the death of self.  When our bodies die, we continue on; anything less than death is an illusion.  Re-invent yourself.  Be the person you want.  Be that ****.  Be that wonderman or superwoman.  Grow beyond your AP.  Be infinite in every way imaginable.  Or, be the same person 20,000 days in a row; boring is fine too.  Just don't expect exciting experiences when you're boring.  

#wolflivesmatter

[glance left]

Up with the anchor, to drift upon the shifting seas.  Or, alternatively......silently sink, moving to the unfathomable depths below, where strange lights flash and currents flow.

[glance left]

Or, better yet...shift and move both...whenever indicated.  Movement below seems to lend to deep detachment and replenishment, given closer to the source of things....closer to the abstract....renewing buoyancy to bob back to the surface to shift to one's heart's content.
Speaking for myself to myself here.  But, in wholehearted agreement...to remain anchored/fixed is a shame.  Better things await once unmoored and adrift

[Nagual Menagerie]

glance left wrote:Up with the anchor, to drift upon the shifting seas.  Or, alternatively......silently sink, moving to the unfathomable depths below, where strange lights flash and currents flow.   
How very poetic of you.

Sometimes getting to the bottom of things is the only way to ensure survival.  It's neat down there, I wasn't expecting to learn about the things I didn't know, I didn't know.  How often do we get to experience the unknown?  To think, I was amazed with shared dreaming as it hinted toward telepathy.  That was NOTHING compared to the strange lights and flowing currents closer to the source.  That was super cool.  The lesson I learned through my own recent learning opportunities is that if you keep pushing, answers await.  

I love that as I dove down, I wasn't the only human at those depths.  Making friends is my most favorite thing to do.

[glance left]

"Sometimes getting to the bottom of things is the only way to ensure survival."

Yes, indeed

" The lesson I learned through my own recent learning opportunities is that if you keep pushing, answers await."

I've found this is true, too....without fail.

"I love that as I dove down, I wasn't the only human at those depths. Making friends is my most favorite thing to do"

Abstract friendship...what an incredible thing! It's amazing that a sense of friendship can be found beyond the known experience. So much more expansive when the cloak of suspicion, that's inherent in the habitual 1st attention experience, is shed. Incredible still...that a sense of friendship can be found beyond what might be considered the human experience, in those more exotic states.

[Nagual Menagerie]

"A sense of friendship . . . found . . . in those more exotic states."

Definitely a wild concept. In the past I would have friends who re-invented themselves into a more appropriate persona. Whether you are truly a stranger or no stranger at all, I wouldn't be able to say. However, the persona presented via "Glance" is very favorable. I'm certain Glance is more than the limited stereotype I began understanding you as. Yet, I prefer to believe that people shouldn't be judged by their words and actions alone. The more important component (for me) is what they create and how they impact people. Since everyone is different, it's useful to have many methods of interaction to reach the intended audience.

Eventually people begin to carry a "tone" about themselves. The accumulation (karma for the new agers) of deeds creates a tone to be heard for those who know their music. This skill may reside in the exotic states you mention.

[rosygyro]

Nagual Menagerie wrote:
Eventually people begin to carry a "tone" about themselves. The accumulation (karma for the new agers) of deeds creates a tone to be heard for those who know their music. This skill may reside in the exotic states you mention.What sort of tone does a person who contrives their tone gradually accumulate? Radio DJs get more and more radio DJ-ey as they get older.
I figure a psychoanalysist also takes on a tone to do with how to command the subconsious to express itself.
but this is about intent to contrive a tone?
is their a mutation perhaps born of the contrivance?
a side effect of energy spent in projecting a persona
feeds a "tone" that is empowered by the "desire to project a tone".
hmmm

[glance left]

"feeds a "tone" that is empowered by the "desire to project a tone"."

A circle of reflecting mirrors in a fun house.... that both amplifies and progressively distorts (to the projectors dismay, I'm sure) an intended image. The reflection is in the intent to be seen/heard...and recognized. For me, the journey begins when that intent is progressively dropped and the mirrors dissolve, opening a door within the light-trap.

"The more important component (for me) is what they create and how they impact people. Since everyone is different, it's useful to have many methods of interaction to reach the intended audience"

Yeah, I agree in my own way. An audience is inescapable. As mentioned, I'm no recluse. You mentioned that kindness is an effective form of recapitulation, and I agree...in my own way. I employ the formal recapitulation (and have had good results with EFT....with Dok, no less!), but kindness goes hand-in-hand. It's abstract kindness...kind of like abstract friendship. It's kindness that ultimately lends to detachment. It's impeccability with others which doesn't seek recognition.....doesn't intend to plant seeds/weeds in others' minds/dialog to be thought of when I'm not there. Or, perhaps...the only seed intended to be planted are those that imply the abstract....or infinity itself as the source of everything magical in this world/universe. And, to do that, no seed need be planted at all...only the intent to alignment with infinity itself when amidst these interactions. Kindness upholds that signature. Kindness with a gossamer touch....barely there at all.

[Nagual Menagerie]

rosygyro wrote:
Nagual Menagerie wrote:


Eventually people begin to carry a "tone" about themselves. The accumulation (karma for the new agers) of deeds creates a tone to be heard for those who know their music. This skill may reside in the exotic states you mention.
What sort of tone does a person who contrives their tone gradually accumulate? Radio DJs get more and more radio DJ-ey as they get older.
I figure a psychoanalysist also takes on a tone to do with how to command the subconsious to express itself.
but this is about intent to contrive a tone?
is their a mutation perhaps born of the contrivance?
a side effect of energy spent in projecting a persona
feeds a "tone" that is empowered by the "desire to project a tone".
hmmm
-The sort of tone for people-who-contrive-their-tone accumulate is the same as everyone else.  People are either aware or unaware of the impact of their intent.  
-A psychoanalyst or anyone interested in fields that work with people (psychology, sociology, social work, nursing, law enforcement) often focus on manipulative skills and this does carry a general tone.
-Skills, bacteria, or viruses mutate or evolve (ideally).  
-We all project a tone and that can carry or feed another "tone".  The mind is complex and there are often many layers within a single vehicle (person).

[Nagual Menagerie]

glance left wrote:"feeds a "tone" that is empowered by the "desire to project a tone"."

A circle of reflecting mirrors in a fun house.... that both amplifies and progressively distorts (to the projectors dismay, I'm sure) an intended image. The reflection is in the intent to be seen/heard...and recognized. For me, the journey begins when that intent is progressively dropped and the mirrors dissolve, opening a door within the light-trap.

"The more important component (for me) is what they create and how they impact people. Since everyone is different, it's useful to have many methods of interaction to reach the intended audience"

Yeah, I agree in my own way. An audience is inescapable. As mentioned, I'm no recluse. You mentioned that kindness is an effective form of recapitulation, and I agree...in my own way. I employ the formal recapitulation (and have had good results with EFT....with Dok, no less!), but kindness goes hand-in-hand. It's abstract kindness...kind of like abstract friendship. It's kindness that ultimately lends to detachment. It's impeccability with others which doesn't seek recognition.....doesn't intend to plant seeds/weeds in others' minds/dialog to be thought of when I'm not there. Or, perhaps...the only seed intended to be planted are those that imply the abstract....or infinity itself as the source of everything magical in this world/universe. And, to do that, no seed need be planted at all...only the intent to alignment with infinity itself when amidst these interactions. Kindness upholds that signature. Kindness with a gossamer touch....barely there at all.
Fun houses are useful for being heard or for entertainment.  You might feel the best journey is when those mirrors dissolve, but this gives the impression that those mirrors are less real than the light-trap.  I believe the mirrors to be as real as the light-trap and the door.  Even when people wear masks, the choice of mask tells a fragment of an overall story.  There are times when people are so fragmented that there is no door within the light-trap.  Broken people have no door as they've become the fun house.  For those rare cases, those without a door, then all there is to work with are the mirrors (the fragments).  Once all the fragments are discovered, then understanding can occur.  Most people aren't really broken enough to lose their door.  Sometimes doors can be created when there is an absence of a door.  Each situation is different.  For me, the journey begins the minute I step foot inside a fun house.  Once I reach the door (your beginning point), then my journey ends.  I am more of a gatekeeper, I remain in limbo to offer services related to connectivity.  I'm not a fan of overseeing the actual journey, only seeing that it has the opportunity to begin. 

EFT is certainly helpful for some.  It's not going to be helpful for everyone (no technique is one-sized).  For those who benefit from it, great!  I benefit from being abused in certain ways (intellectually), but I wouldn't recommend that for most.  People are unique and I can see the benefit of techniques such as EFT.  Dok is an interesting character.  Some respond well to a firm messenger and some favor Dok's approach.  I tend to be an abstract messenger and never really say things outright.  I'll dance around the bush, but I've never actually pointed at the bush.  I find this works better on the subscious mind as the answers are there, but if a person doesn't want to see it then they aren't forced into a truth (leaves room for individual readiness).  

I like what you mention about kindness being the lack of planting seeds/weeds into others.  Although we're all gardeners and when we find something which works well for ourselves, we often want to share that awareness.  Unfortunately, many forget that just because we like shoes and fit our shoes, doesn't mean anyone can comfortably fit into our shoes.  Adaptation of self and technique are important components when we engage others.

"Kindness with a gossamer touch" 

Heh, that's a good one.  It reminds me of Gonzo; he was always here to laugh (with and at us), but he had no agenda to push.  He was simply present and accepting.  There's a lot to be said of such characters (good things).

[rosygyro]

i am a great believer in the cosmic trigger.
That our world can be thrown into an awakened state
within which the lines between abuser and victim are a clear cut boundary
as powerful as the boundary poison or gravity or blunt objects make for us today.

i believe the cosmic trigger is the precursor to the ultimate stability
but that for our rational view and expectation of the world
from the habitual position it seems like a terrifying change.

attatchment to stability could very well be attatchment to the KNOWN
and yet the trigger could catapult our world into a new era of consent

awareness much like water seems to fill its vessel
and my thoughts of human earth are that should some
of the more petty abuses be countermanded by a cosmic order
that the awareness of humans will bleed out into its new territory.

the human world seems to be an endless struggle against wrong action within the collective
i have been battling so many years against it.
It has become incredibly simple to see that radical change even for the collective better is terrifying.
so used are we to this known unfairness

The new arena of human awarness expands into an vibration which has the potential to increase our species lifespan
to prevent our self willed extinction.
with this new arena comes the certaint of thousands of generations of descendants, if not for our own individual
gene pool then certainly for those we share ancestry with or have met along the way.

to be a great, great great, great, great, great, great , great, great , great grandaddy and actually have a living being looking back
saying my name, finding my national security number on ancestry dot com.
that is a stability which partially frightens me..
i almost feel trapped by the future generations and their retrospective.
it is however much much better than considering a global extinction event
a clearer path/launchpad to infinity.

This was my critique of Theun Mares final vision.
that the desire to be alone in the universe
could precipitate an end to our world
so that a few seers could become the final eyes
on the universe with no continued rabble of civilisation
getting in the way.

attachment to stability.
attachment to perpetual silence.

[Nagual Menagerie]

You believe Theun Mares assumed that the universe desired isolation, that would end the world, leaving only a few seers to witness the event.

I can't imagine the duty of those few seers to be responsible for witnessing such a horrific event. The world deserves to burn for allowing an event to reach such heights. Yet, it won't burn; mankind will survive (as will those seers), and who truly pays the ultimate price for such naive behavior? Everyone. If mankind had not violated the collective to such a great degree, those seers wouldn't have their minds ravaged by those prophecies, humanity wouldn't be so very broken, and there would be no use for the soldiers whose names mankind will never learn.

Theun Mares was a bloody **** who wrote a story about such an important issue that it is rarely heard because his communication style was limited to his primitive perspective. We can share stories about tragedies or we can share stories to educate and prevent. Mares promoted fear. Fear offers no-change. Mares perpetuated the system he was reporting about.

Sharing of a reality without offering a method of prevention or the offering of how to improve a system results in a fairy-tale.

[rosygyro]

Nagual Menagerie wrote:You believe Theun Mares assumed that the universe desired isolation, that would end the world, leaving only a few seers to witness the event.

I can't imagine the duty of those few seers to be responsible for witnessing such a horrific event. The world deserves to burn for allowing an event to reach such heights. Yet, it won't burn; mankind will survive (as will those seers), and who truly pays the ultimate price for such naive behavior? Everyone. If mankind had not violated the collective to such a great degree, those seers wouldn't have their minds ravaged by those prophecies, humanity wouldn't be so very broken, and there would be no use for the soldiers whose names mankind will never learn.

Theun Mares was a bloody **** who wrote a story about such an important issue that it is rarely heard because his communication style was limited to his primitive perspective. We can share stories about tragedies or we can share stories to educate and prevent. Mares promoted fear. Fear offers no-change. Mares perpetuated the system he was reporting about.

Sharing of a reality without offering a method of prevention or the offering of how to improve a system results in a fairy-tale.NO- i believe that should the human species be made extinctthat the remainder of human awareness will precipitate into basic streams
these streams will be relative as the four directions, stalkers and dreamers.

there is a truth in the way the remnants of human awareness will adhere to the four directions
of beingness once the body and mind has gone.
this truth is part of the way of learning infinity
as once our own bodies and minds are gone we seek perpetuity.

however-quite clearly it serves nobody any purpose if the resolving of the four directions
is done via limbo vassilation over time through an extinct species unrooted awareness,

the incongruity of warriorship should act as a melting pot to rein in visions lost in the future.
should help 80yr old rapists wind in their dicks.

[Nagual Menagerie]

We could start over and allow mass extinction. It's certainly a possibility.

However, it's easier to fix a few poor choices than it is to clear the slate. This is because if we don't understand what we did wrong, then should we somehow evolve from algae, again, and later become humans, we will repeat history. We either learn and adapt or die and repeat. It is more efficient to learn and adapt--it is circular to die and repeat.... we've been the doing the dying and repeating and repeating.

It would be nice if history books were written for children to be better applied when the same patterns emerged over the course of thousands of years.

Since we have children guiding the world, the history books should read as:
1. People find new land.
2. People find new people.
3. People murder the people.
4. People murder the land.
5. People commit mass suicide.

Instead of the history books currently in-print which has too many extra details such as names and locations, knowledge needs to be simpler to properly educate the adult-children of the world (world leaders).

[funnyguy]

I've been wearing the same old mask
gripping tight to this frightful past
under the impression of being free
though tied to a rock and thrown in sea
it's time to assume this responsibility
and beyond this state to see
enough it is to play it boring
let this go and see you're growing.

[find dharma girl]

Julio (funnyguy), what do you think will happen after you and dad pick up Kaos at the greyhound bus station?  

   You can't hold and direct the kind of nuclear tension that will be forthcoming.  Having blocked out, you pretend to yourself, "how swell."  

  What will you do  when Kaos lunges across the tidy little card table and begins choking your Catholic mom for giving birth.   

   Still, you keep daydreaming, Julio, but thank Kaos for not going further with you than she did.  That pain is something you are not ready for. 
AND! Had Kaos even just flashed her light your direction, you would be residing in a psycho ward.  

   Now, Kaos won't necessarily do anything "swell" at her and Billy's home.  Except, Billy can defuse, deploy, absorb, deflect, skulpt, cultivate, encourage, or otherwise manage Kaos' intensity.  He could even push her nuclear buttons with impunity.  Kaos is safe with Billy.  



The thread title is Attachment to Stability,
not 'attachment to chaos.' 



P.S.  Kaos, we are advised to communicate privately in chatroom or by PM.  I wish to avoid being banished.

[funnyguy]

I'm happy that you're having fun.

[funnyguy]

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