250 Days No Fap - This Guy's Take on Sexual Energy

[Gugeyewalker]

IMHO this guy arrives on the warriors path of his own volition

http://www.youtube.com/v/OoeMqvrn_HY&ve ... tube_gdata

[Gugeyewalker]

He's right.

Of course Don Juan tells this to Castaneda on multiple occasions.

On one occasion he explained how celibacy helps you to see or dream, but in the case of stalking it was not always the case...he started to elaborate how the Nagual Julian operated but then stopped and told Carlos that he wasn't fluid enough to hear about how Julian used sexual energy for stalking.

I wish i knew more about women's sexual energy and maybe one of you girls can chime in here.

But for the guys, we can still keep our sexual energy and have sex. The ejaculation or orgasm doesn't have to leave the body. If you're close you just backwash it back into the body, the whole body if possible, and disperse it away from the genitals. A full body orgasm is what I am describing here.

But if daily ejaculation is essentially castrating yourself. You are loosing you're balls almost literally. Why else would we feel an increase in confidence and daring? Why else would we suddenly have the ability to approach women (or whatever you find attractive) without hesitation?

Sex is approached from a position of fullness here, not a position of emptiness. You are not craving the energy from someone else because you have plenty of your own, which you may choose to share with someone else, or choose not to.

Most human males are 'fixed', they've lost that extra edge needed to be 'wild' because they are stuck in a pattern. I'm not saying giving up all masturbation is easy, and that varies from person to person. But little by little you can save more sexual energy and gain more control.

I know this topic can get uncomfortably personal...lol All I am saying here is that yes this is my experience too, if you are in a fap-habit breaking it is extremely helpful in so many unexpected and delightful ways.

[watergaze]

thnx for making this topic, I find it fascinating to learn some about the other sex .
Are you going here in the direction of not masturbating, but still using the energy for sex with a partner? Or abstinence in general?

Or saying it doesnt matter on the sex with partner either way, but most important is not to masturbate?

[Gugeyewalker]

Thats what no Fap means lol

However, I feel that the ultimate goal is that you decide for yourself what you want to do with your sexual energy instead of letting old habits or addictions decide for you. That probably means for most people to cut out masturbation for the most part, and not habitually watching porn either.

Now I haven't had a sexual partner in some years - but for those who do, this would mean coming to some agreement with your partner to work with the energy instead of letting it dissipate. You could start by cutting out the 'bored fucks' in favor of something more dynamic and energetic.

All of this has to be done with detachment and not some kind of weird obsession or self-abuse, like the christian concept of us being born out of sin and in filth - that sex is a filthy thing to be purged...no. I think I came cross that barrier as a young adult, catholic upbringing and all, sexuality was a shameful and weakling thing to even think about, so I used to obsess about suppressing it. It cannot be suppressed. Sexual energy can be made to move though, to trans-mutate. Almost everyone is sexual and sensual, you just either use the energy or let some habit take control of it.

Umm mind if I ask...after orgasm is there a big drain for women as there is for men? My experience with women is not extensive lol. I suppose I could just go ask one of my friends. I know that for me as a man I am energetically 'off' for almost a day in most cases after an ejaculation. Depends on the day, time of year, what I eat/drink etc. I know not everyone is the same in this respect.

Sexuality is a very fluid thing. The old saying is that 'attraction is not a choice', it isn't. People are turned on by very outlandish things in some cases, almost all sexual labels are societies attempts to 'pin down' sexual energy into something to be understood in a more concrete way. You are expected, coerced even, to behave within that label. Sex is fluid though. Women have less of a problem getting trapped in these labels than men do, unless they are imposed on them quite often by men, which is true more often than not sadly.

[watergaze]

the no fap part is clear, just was not sure how that ideology/method is to impact or reflect on sex with a partner..

I am still in observation mode on all these sexual things. Say now I notice stuff differently than I did when I started to be sexually active, so it is a thing in progress and surely will be for a while yet. I do not see energy to check what exactly is happening. I did not notice an energy drain with partners feeling wise (unless it was linked to some other things, emotions due to the relationship and such), but I get into the partner mode also when I am in a certain setting. I notice I enter a form of dreaming when touching my partner and moving into making love/sex my ID goes silent. It is sometimes actually hard to start talking again after. One might therefore say that too much sex can hinder talking/communication between partners

I can surely say that interesting things of a non-usual nature can happen during days of sex too.. so at least I can say that sex does not hinder stuff specifically (or altogether), and it (finding an interesting partner) may trigger stuff too (for example creativity, which is also linked with having energy).

Once, some years back, I think sex actually helped stabilize me, cause I might have just had a bit too much of who knows what - I was on this island and had so much energy I almost did not sleep for a couple weeks while still very alert, focused and not tired (but feeling like an alien due to it haha). I think the sex helped balance me (at least I had some 4hrs sleep then). In this sense then there is some energy moving around during sex and if some went puff then on this occasion that helped me, cause I was on overdrive . I had a great experience with nature and my surroundings during this time, the island was really magical for me in this sense. That was interesting to observe also in link with the effect of sex, but it might be I'd have stabilized naturally anyway, maybe it was not as linked with the sex as it might seem.. hard to know when it was just this island time experience.

Other than that I did not notice too much yet. Being celibate for many years, I did not have too much opportunity either . But I plan to put some focus on this as I am curious..

I do not find it hard to be celibate or sexually active, in this sense I think guys have it harder and I sympathize .

There surely is not such a big drain for women after an orgasm as can be observed in guys who ejaculate. Maybe it is like when a guy learns to not ejaculate.. which is not that hard all in all, so I wonder why guys just do not forgo the ejaculation.. I have not had a squirting orgasm, so I wonder if that also drains a girl as it does a guy when he ejaculates (would make some sense..).

The thing that I would want to observe what concerns women though is this line that the guys get on their sexual female partner.. as I understood that women provide a kind of energy source/link to their partners. This then is not a thing of only the sexual act itself, but an after effect that the guy comes back for over and over. And it might also not be so great for the guys, even if it looks like a freebie 'drink'. These are things I would like to understand better.. Did you notice anything of this sort happening during sex with women?

[Gugeyewalker]

" Did you notice anything of this sort happening during sex with women?"
The supposed 'energetic worm'?

Well, unfortunately I have NO first hand experience with this and almost no sexual experience with women I have to admit. It's almost all been with men.
I like to joke about this and say 'I'm not gay at all, I just love big hard throbbing cock!" to try to dodge the label and all the horsehit that comes with it, since I have been more or less quiet or closet about this for years and years, only just lately realizing that there are a LOT of other guys just like me who you may not find in any gay bar or online dating site, but are still all around in great numbers.

I will say though, YES there is a definite imprint left by ejaculating inside someone, no doubt about it. And I've been in either roles with long term partners and I know what it feels like. In the 'top' role, in the past at least, I felt like I was in charge, that ass belonged to me - was my right to it, I 'possessed it'. But that attitude was certainly not without its problems.

In the other role, I felt like I was the one that should be 'taken care of', and at least in one case with one partner it was a boost, but over time it became like a shot of morphine. I had to heavily recapitulate or take back energy from both experiences...especially the last one.

If and when I find a new long term partner I would prefer things be very different as far as both of us keeping our energy, and not requiring the other to give theirs up. Because that's how it was in the past ,"I'll give you mine, and you give me yours." Or "You belong to me and I belong to you."
Now maybe for women it is similar - depends on that attitude of the partner, and what you would allow them to think about you.

" I notice I enter a form of dreaming when touching my partner and moving into making love/sex my ID goes silent. It is sometimes actually hard to start talking again after. One might therefore say that too much sex can hinder talking/communication between partners "

I've experienced something like this too. Not often, but have...you can definitely go to a state of heightened awareness. I think women are better at this than men. Men can do it though. If they don't ejaculate they can stay in that state for hours...smiling.

[watergaze]

thnx for the honest response.. interesting then is your take on it.. since the male sperm/energy does the 'sucking/drinking' link, I wonder if using a condom here makes a difference or not, or how much (it is an energetic more than a physical thing in some sense).. or what if the guy does not ejaculate at all (as in has an orgasm without an ejaculation).. any idea?
and what if two women have sex? no sperm involved then..

However, the way I have come to understand it previously is that the guy goes to the woman for a link through her womb. I do not think therefore that this happens in the same way with two men, but probably the worms part is still an issue.

It is interesting how the attitudes and thoughts of the partners influences things.. yes, I agree that a lot depends on what one allows them to think. But how is one to influence that beyond a certain point? Also one is not fully aware of all attitudes and thoughts of the other person. But I have seen before things that were a big turn off and things I would never want to connect to during such an intimate experience. But, unless I am mistaken, it seems to me that even during sex one can be open in different ways, on different levels.

All in all it makes sense to me that sex is always an energy drain to an extent, because what is happening is that the two humans are preparing to create a third human - no matter that will not happen in the end due to contraception and such. So our energy is always stirred to this extent to make a child and that must take a bit of a toll on the energy, if only just in a way that say like running around the stadium a few times takes a toll on the body. to what extent is something a drain? If we run a few laps we may feel tired as well as invigorated and we might need to replenish with good food and drink and sleep, is that a drain?

But of course the 'energetic worms' are a different matter altogether, and imo that is the more disturbing part than just being a bit tired due to some exercise and whatnot..

[Gugeyewalker]

This is all a matter of energy that would take some seeing.

Interesting that eastern and north american societies have no taboo about others watching a couple have sex...don't even get me started on Haiti. For the shamans in those cultures it was probably really easy to sit in trance or heightened awareness near others that were having sex and make the unbiased observations...in fact in Haiti for sure, it was hard to avoid seeing people have sex lol.

In today's society it would take some 'social stalking' skill to say, "Hey, if you don't mind, I am attempting to gather energetic data on sex and its affects on the energy body, mind if I watch you having sex with your partner?" lmao

But yes, the womb has a lot more energetic significance than other parts of the body, so the energetic implications there are different.

On the energy loss, sex without ejaculation seems to make no drop in energy at all for me other than getting physically winded. Also, if someone uses a condom with me I still feel their energy, but there is nothing sticking to me in the same way as if they did not. I've only been able to coach one other guy into the full body orgasm, everyone else just cums, and you can feel waves of warm energy coming off of them when that happens, and they have described this from me as well. Fortunately, this is every bit as impressive to them as shooting something 2 feet into the air lol! And there is no energy dip, or sticky energy...its far more detached, light.

Women on women - again I don't know....however next time I see my aunt who is married to a woman I will see if there is an opportunity to discuss this.

[Gugeyewalker]

Hmm in the above post I said Haiti, I meant Tahiti! lol

I thought that I would share that I haven't started doing 'no fap' until I decided to pursue and embrace the disciplines on the warrior's path again for this current round, which is about 3 months in now. Although in the past abstaining from masturbation or ejaculation was an on and off thing.

I have something nice to report. I am experiencing a very nice, slightly sexual, 'body high' all the time now. I really feel as if the sexual energy is saturated all over the body. Waking up in the morning, instead of a huge erection and my usual extreme horniness, I just feel good (and sexual) all over. It is sexual, but in a way I haven't quite felt before.

I beleive all the physical stuff (wieghts, lots of kung fu, tensegirty) are helping to contribute to this redeployment, and the dantien (center for the will or gap) is actively used all the time to focus the discipline and intent.

I honestly still long for sensual contact, as I live in a very remote place and have to plan getting out to cities, and yet the old need for that feels different.

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