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~Usually, when we think of a ‘warrior,’ someone drawing a
line in the sand, making their last stand on earth, we think they are committing
themselves to an all-or-nothing battle: here and now, on this spot, live or
die. That's the kind of ultimatum Carlos and others often describe. They make
it sound like a fight, like put up yer dukes, but it's really not.
It's the end of fighting, the end of a lifelong struggle.
Drawing this line doesn't mean battle stations, red alert,
defcon one and all that. It’s not that kind of battle. It means we have to
lower our shields, not raise them. That's how easily and effectively we are
undone, and it's because the enemy is within, running the show, redeploying all
of our mental and emotional resources against us.
Instead of adopting a warlike posture, we must,
counter-intuitively, lower our shields and defenses. This seems confusing until
we understand that we are both the protagonist and the antagonist in this
conflict, both attacker and defender.
This is the paradoxical nature of the struggle. We can't win
by fighting. The very thing that fights, that resists, is the thing we seek to overthrow.
Only by vanquishing self importance can we prevail. Only in surrender can we
find victory. This is the part so few get, and fewer get beyond. This is the
part where everything starts sounding all sagely or zenny, but that can't be
helped. If you want to say that all religions and spiritual teachings share a
core truth, it can only be this: Surrender is victory.
Yet, this isn’t the end.
It’s only the beginning.
Once we surrender, the Work starts.
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SelfHealedMadman wrote:If you want to say that all religions and spiritual teachings share a
core truth, it can only be this: Surrender is victory.
Yet, this isn’t the end.
It’s only the beginning.
Once we surrender, the Work starts.
Sticking to your paradox theme, when 'the Work starts' that's also when 'the Work ends'.
Yo, seriously though, things don't have to start sounding all Zenny. You can keep it real, speak to the masses instead of the already-enlightened. I doubt the already-enlightned are lurking around here anyway.
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Stalking is good, but killing is what comes next
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... MPAU#t=221
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SelfHealedMadman wrote:~
Usually, when we think of a ‘warrior,’ someone drawing a line in the sand, making their last stand on earth, we think they are committing themselves to an all-or-nothing battle: here and now, on this spot, live or die. That's the kind of ultimatum Carlos and others often describe. They make it sound like a fight, like put up yer dukes, but it's really not.
It's the end of fighting, the end of a lifelong struggle.
Drawing this line doesn't mean battle stations, red alert, defcon one and all that. It’s not that kind of battle. It means we have to lower our shields, not raise them. That's how easily and effectively we are undone, and it's because the enemy is within, running the show, redeploying all of our mental and emotional resources against us.
Instead of adopting a warlike posture, we must, counter-intuitively, lower our shields and defenses. This seems confusing until we understand that we are both the protagonist and the antagonist in this
conflict, both attacker and defender.
This is the paradoxical nature of the struggle. We can't win by fighting. The very thing that fights, that resists, is the thing we seek to overthrow. Only by vanquishing self importance can we prevail. Only in surrender can we
find victory. This is the part so few get, and fewer get beyond. This is the part where everything starts sounding all sagely or zenny, but that can't be helped. If you want to say that all religions and spiritual teachings share a
core truth, it can only be this: Surrender is victory.
Yet, this isn’t the end.
It’s only the beginning.
Once we surrender, the Work starts.
The warrior battles with his or her own defences. The stuff that the warrior needs to drop, the bs, is what makes the defences/barriers (and this activity of noticing it and dropping is what makes the 'fight'. the fight consists of being aware, attentive and resisting the urge to follow the same pattern and/or habit in one's emotional reactions, ID, etc). The bs/defences/barriers is what bends things that are going from out in and bends the things that are going from in to out. The biggest (if not all) junk of that is fear based. Here is where one can make a link to DJ's/CC's 1st enemy of the man of knowledge: fear.
It is easily visible in many people, how things bend or just plain do not get inside them, how things are deflected before they reach behind the barrier. The barrier, if left to its own devices, hardens, crusts. This links to 4th enemy: old age. Having no crusted barrier is what keeps youth, fluidity, flexibility.
I like the spin you put on it. Of course looking at what I just wrote one might conclude that there is no other fight but with the self. Still, fighting with it can be seen as keeping it in focus, makes it into something that it is not. That would not be eer productive to do . I focus on the bs and stuff that bends, through that I see what the self would like to hold on to to create itself, when I drop that then I see that part of what I thought was myself disappear. Like a could of smoke, as if it was never there. For a moment Im in a not clear space zone.. one realizes there is no such thing as what one thought was the self, or that it is not what one thought it was. For a moment it feels like I am nothing and everything, I do not know where exactly I end, where are my boundaries, cause they are not where they were before. I just spill over.
Either way, I cannot say I have it figured out. Just an hour ago I was thinking, while walking along a big river, that maybe I am going about it the wrong way. What if instead of catching the reactions and then dropping whatever it is that lets them emerge, I should encourage it more so more shows and I can burn out all of it. Of course in the first method I go with what shows, but maybe I should encourage the reaction so maybe more gets shown too
Maybe I should go the other way. Sometimes after exploding it is easy to drop something cause one sees it in all its ugly nonsensical glory. For all I know, maybe this links to the surrendering you speak of .
Let go of the control. What tries to keep the control is the self anyway. The realness behind it has no need for it.
Just a thought
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Once we surrender, the Work starts.
When will you surrender and thus begin?
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Though I was kind of talking in/to myself I appreciate a reply. Could you say more about the surrender? Is it surrender to something or just of something. Is surrender letting go of control? Can you give an example of such a surrender that you are mentioning?
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The constant need to impose on someone else feeling of the Death Inevitability only shows how hard and perilous is the search for totality, for death, for burning from within in one's life. The projections of our lives, the dreams and the beauty unfolding by the underlying patterns of our soul, of our heart that projects the reality, shows how powerful and how precious a single moment of life is, or what it can bring.
When I died I was wondering, what more beautiful comes. I know nothing only silence and the experience that results from that is the beauty of the dream, the only thing that we need is to dream deeper. We cant be in a state of total calmness, total tranquillity, total nagual and total wonder of the dream and our power unfolds from inside ourselves, which shows us where our path leads, it is what we feel as the magic, as the best dream.
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watergaze wrote:Though I was kind of talking in/to myself I appreciate a reply. Could you say more about the surrender? Is it surrender to something or just of something. Is surrender letting go of control? Can you give an example of such a surrender that you are mentioning?Surrendering to the 'illusion' of control.
I can certainly provide examples, yet they would be my examples and that would lead to an endless dialogue of, "What if....?" or "Why that....?" or "How about....?" and that doesn't push the individual further. Create your own examples and work on them. It should only take a moment to conjure up several beliefs and the illusion of control one has over them.
Kris
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ASK YOU ONE QUESTION - Read my signature...
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NagualHuman wrote:ASK YOU ONE QUESTION - Read my signature...If you assume and believe there's a bear, or woods, or a bear in the woods, then the belief may be that a bear may **** in the woods.
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"Your constant trying to impose on someone else ..."
Projection based on assumption.
Look at the illusion of control in your reply.
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Tell me something except that I know that nothing from this experience is just a pure dream...
You my dear brother need nothing else than to sleep to dream, without sleeping you wont ever dream like you want, yes give the emotion off... we cant be in state of AWAKE IN IMPOSITION, trying to impose against rules of the nagual, the silence, the wind blowing in the air, it is just a pure presumption how virgin we feel in our heart, just like a child, that doesnt want to Impose on another body hands for killing someone, but more like just love a subtle hand of beign that just touches you, in that touch or if you are able to perceive universe by your one cell of body... and I want to see what bigger truth you wanna tell me about sorcery, beign in double and other or what the *** is troubling your mind ? Be Honest please...
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Kris if you havent understood it yet... you never will, my answers to you were a jest.
and all I tried to do was more of the illusion for you to destroy, unfortunately my intent of aplying illusion was stronger and you posted about how imposive my control is.... Sorry for imposing an illusion upon you, but all I feel from your posts is need to destroy them... so again I did you one to try it, unfortunately you wasnt able to, but I believe you will.
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NagualHuman wrote:NH: Kris if you havent understood it yet... Kris: My understanding, or lack thereof, shouldn't be your concern. Address the topics please.NH: ...but all I feel from your posts is need to destroy them.Kris: You are doing a piss poor job. Please think prior to writing and address the topics. Your posts have no power; power meaning, attentive capacity. Do this, then all of us can destroy all the topics.
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Thanks for your kind and loving words my brother, I feel your openess and your need to care about me like your son.
Much love to you and your friends.
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