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Alternative Beliefs
#1
~Alternative people and alternative beliefs such as
Nagualism, Shamanism, Buddhism, faux-Zen that sells books or any other ‘ism,’
etc., is the topic. Alternative beliefs and outlooks, alternative everything,
basically, but not very alternative. These are alternatives within the
established paradigm, not alternatives to it: a sub-herd running in parallel to
the main body. 


Rather than detaching from their ego and self important
structures via recapitulation, alternative people merely reshape them along more
heart-felt and self-centric lines, their multivarious goals and ideals reducing
to personal happiness via the removal, avoidance and denial of unhappiness. 


In short, they make the minor course adjustment from
orthodox to somewhat less orthodox beliefs, and the one reason underlying the
many apparent reasons for this change is always the same: survival of self
importance and ego. A chameleon-like adaptability is one of delusions most
effective maneuvers. 


Paint some trees on the walls of your cell and some clouds
on the ceiling and you're free as a bird. This is the status of the would-be
spiritual aspirant in the world today. 


Spirituality (or whatever you choose to label your belief
system) is merely an alternative religion: the same lines filled in with similar
colors from a slightly different palette. It fulfills the same needs as religion,
makes the same undemanding demands, and offers the same vague promises and
rewards.  (Look at Nagualism and
freedom.) 


It also enjoys the same curious immunity from accountability
enjoyed by the religions and whacko cults it falls between, such that users
blame failure on themselves and not the belief package they bought, or the
people who sold it to them. In the end, all three groups—major religions.
whacko cults, and the gooey middle new age spin-offs—are just minor variations
of the one true religion of man: Agnosticism. 


Without Knowledgism. 


Alternative people have convinced themselves that they have escaped
from incarceration when they have merely burrowed from one cell into another
and labeled the new one Freedom. In this prison of self important ego,
worldview and cell decor are synonymous. 


Many live in perpetual dissatisfaction with their cell and
seek remedy by introducing new and exciting decorative touches: a swatch of
Nagualism here, a dab of Buddhism there, a little mystic poetry to brighten a
drab corner, and maybe a little Native American splash to give it some local
color. Always shopping, always looking for that perfect thing to fill that
empty space, finding it and then growing tired of it and returning to the
search. 


This chronic urge to spruce up one's surroundings provides
the lifeblood of the spiritual new age marketplace, which is, at all levels,
nothing more than a prison cell design boutique. Whether you're in the market
for Nagualistic freedom, Buddhist new age compassion, or Apocalyptic Chic,
they've got what you're looking for. 


The true goal of all spiritual practices is to keep yourself
fooled, to maintain the self-deception, to see what's not and not see what is.
That's why the stated goals are always unverifiable and ill-defined: its not
about attaining them, its about pursuing them. Who wants to wake up to the
totality of self? When we have a little itch that threatens to awaken us in the
night, we want to scratch the itch and make it go away, not let it evict us
from our slumbers. 


Spiritual practice is one hundred percent effective. If a
spiritual practice satisfies your urge to do something spiritual, if it makes
you think you're making progress, if it scratches your itch without disturbing
your slumber, then it's doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing. 


SHM
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#2
SHM ... great post!  Yet, in working through the path, (for others too ... whatever path you're on), I think one needs to experience all of these different "alternatives".  Inside each, as I've experienced, are  ... let's call them jewels, or treasures of hidden wisdom ... Knowledge.  Pieces of a puzzle, My puzzle, which allowed me to dismantle to nothing and reconstruct "one".  It's definitely a process of experiencing all and, of course, the Work!  

"Agnostic"   Interesting .... 
a-, meaning "without, not," as in amoral,and the noun Gnostic. Gnostic is related to the Greek word gnsis, "knowledge," which was used by early Christian writers to mean "higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual things"; hence, Gnostic referred to those with such knowledge.

So, I'd like to ask, and this can go out to everyone ... What are you working on, what are you reading, what are you researching to discover/uncover, these jewels of knowledge?
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#3



“Yet, in working through the path, (for others too ...
whatever path you're on), I think one needs to experience all of these
different "alternatives".  Inside each, as I've experienced, are
 ... let's call them jewels, or treasures of hidden wisdom ... Knowledge.”   


This is the common approach and doesn't work for the one who wants to drop self importance. 
As to the next stanza of your post, you mention the Work last, when it
need be first.  If not, then ‘who’ is
determining what is hidden wisdom or knowledge or whatever?  Ego and self importance.  Besides, no one comes here, there or anywhere
with an empty cup.  Everyone already has
enough ‘stuff’ that need be undone. 


Also, the mention of jewels, treasures, hidden wizdumb and
whatever makes me shudder.  It’s another
common belief.  ‘There is no doctrine to
be given to mankind’ and that’s correct. 
Some say a teacher is needed, some say it’s just The Information that’s
needed despise who dispenses it, etc., etc. 
All avoidance of the Work.  All
that’s needed is an honest look inward, not outward.  Everything mentioned above is all
outward. 


With that said, if one chooses recapitulation and truly digs
into the self, then, perhaps, in the midst of the Work a voracious hunger may
rise up within for further information. 
Yet, it’s very specific to the one doing it, searching for another piece
of ammunition to reload and to keep on slaying the self, not to build another
belief system upon. 


“Pieces of a puzzle, My puzzle, which allowed me to
dismantle to nothing and reconstruct "one".  It's definitely a
process of experiencing all and, of course, the Work!” 


There’s no reconstructing until the Work is done, and I
hedge at even labeling it reconstructing. 
It’s also a puzzle with just one piece. 
You mention that it’s a process of experiencing all, and that’s correct
within the right frame of reference and context.  ‘All’ is YOU, subjectively.  Inward, not outward. 


‘All’ is I-Am/Consciousness. 


Consciousness is the union of
perceiver-perception-perceived.  The three and one, no one parts stands
alone.  Without a perceiver, there can be no perception and nothing can be
perceived.  Without perception, nothing is perceived, so there is no
perceiver.  Without the perceived, there is no perception and no perceiver.
 All three must exist to together to exist at all.  They are one, not
three, and the one thing they are is consciousness. 


This is important to anyone who recaps because it’s a ‘cleansing’
or a wiping clear the filter (as in the post from yesterday.)  Strip self of ego and self importance, the
perceiver, and the perceived becomes clear. 


Get clear, first, then if one wants to circle back around
and look for gems, jewels, wisdom or whatever, great.  That’s up to the predilection of the
individual.
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#4
Thanks for your reply SHM.  Just some thoughts about what you posted, although vague in a sense as to whether you're really addressing me, I'll reply as such ...

AF: “Yet, in working through the
path, (for others too ... whatever path you're on), I think one needs to
experience all of these different "alternatives".  Inside each,
as I've experienced, are  ... let's call them jewels, or treasures of
hidden wisdom ... Knowledge.”



  SHM: This is the common approach and
doesn't work for the one who wants to drop self importance.  As to the
next stanza of your post, you mention the Work last, when it need be
first.  If not, then ‘who’ is determining what is hidden wisdom or
knowledge or whatever?  Ego and self importance.  Besides, no one
comes here, there or anywhere with an empty cup.  Everyone already has
enough ‘stuff’ that need be undone.


Any approach is necessary to take that first step, so a "common" approach is just fine. Does it matter where the
word “work” is placed in a post?  I
think not.  What really matters is
that You Actually Do
The Work,
don’t you think? Ego and self-importance are merely more pretty words of what
you label “Alternative Beliefs”  … may be look to your true self … the
Hindu call it atman (again, another label, but it means true self).


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SHM: Also, the mention of jewels,
treasures, hidden wizdumb and whatever makes me shudder.  It’s another
common belief.  ‘There is no doctrine to be given to mankind’ and that’s
correct.  Some say a teacher is needed, some say it’s just The Information
that’s needed despise who dispenses it, etc., etc.  All avoidance of the
Work.  All that’s needed is an honest look inward, not outward. 
Everything mentioned above is all outward.



You sound so sure of what you believe.  Who's avoiding the work?  Me, Everyone, You?  Pray tell.  And how would you know who is avoiding the work, when you never really ask, SHM?


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SHM: With that said, if one chooses
recapitulation and truly digs into the self, then, perhaps, in the midst of the
Work a voracious hunger
may rise up within for further information.  Yet, it’s very specific to
the one doing it, searching for another piece of ammunition to reload and to
keep on slaying the self, not to build another belief system upon.


I agree, recapitulation
must be done, as this is part of the “work”.  Again, You Have To Actually Do The Work.  But rather than, as you say, “slay the
self” … I see it more in terms of balancing the self.  By freeing lines of conflict with self, you actually remove
the weight and are open to rebuilding …
the building of unity … one, not two. 
Clearing your muddled lens … to a crystal
clear lens.  Is this easy?  Of course not ... it's a torturous process.



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AF: “Pieces of a puzzle, My puzzle,
which allowed me to dismantle to nothing and reconstruct "one".
 It's definitely a process of experiencing all and, of course, the
Work!” 


SHM:  There’s no reconstructing until the Work is done, and I hedge
at even labeling it reconstructing.  It’s also a puzzle with just one
piece.  You mention that it’s a process of experiencing all, and that’s
correct within the right frame of reference and context.  ‘All’ is YOU,
subjectively.  Inward, not outward.


This is where you may be a
bit confused.  Tearing down,
balance, and rebuilding with that same balance always is mind, consists of many
different puzzle pieces.  Knowledge
and experience aren’t a huge “download” infused … pieces come, day by day,
month by month, and year by year … this is what most on the path (any path of
freedom) call
Experience … again, requiring that You Actually
Do The Work.  Pieces are picked up, and they either fit, or you discard them, and they are different for each individual.


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SHM:  ‘All’ is I-Am/Consciousness.



When you understand this,
you will understand everything.


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SHM:  Consciousness is the union of
perceiver-perception-perceived.  The three and one, no one parts stands
alone.  Without a perceiver, there can be no perception and nothing can be
perceived.  Without perception, nothing is perceived, so there is no
perceiver.  Without the perceived, there is no perception and no
perceiver.  All three must exist to together to exist at all.  They
are one, not three, and the one thing they are is consciousness.



This sounds more like a
"belief", and a bit narrow-minded … maybe go back to the “I Am” concept in your post.  This is where you might See the One.  Perception is a cerebral function,
which relies on tonal observations. 
The One exists in All, not only in mere perception.  Perception is  … let’s call it the “middle-man” …  in the flow of consciousness.


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SHM: This is important to anyone who
recaps because it’s a ‘cleansing’ or a wiping clear the filter (as in the post
from yesterday.)  Strip self of ego and self importance, the perceiver,
and the perceived becomes clear. 


Get clear, first, then if one wants
to circle back around and look for gems, jewels, wisdom or whatever,
great.  That’s up to the predilection of the individual.



Again, you're replying to me, so how would you know what I've "cleared", when you haven’t even asked, SHM? 


Your cookie-cutter post are perfect to begin a thread, but when you reply without having
done any investigating first (yes, that’s part of the work too, my love. :-) ), it does come off as a little abrasive ... just sayin'  
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This is from your post: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/4634/The- ... -Castaneda
SHM: “Don Juan said that his
benefactor drilled him daily in the four moods of stalking and insisted that
don Juan understand that ruthlessness should not be harshness, cunning should
not be cruelty, patience should not be negligence, and sweetness should not be
foolishness.”  Excellent words to remember when posting, imo, of course.
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#5
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Nice comments Angelfire, yet, as with most, it's a deflection and an attempt to 'put it back on me.'  Has nothing to do with me or you, it's the process that is being described.  The Work is the work, and is certainly not done while posting on a board.  (That goes for all of us.)
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You are again negating possibilities, when you give of yourself, other will give the IT you gave them if it doesnt correspond with themselves...the **** talks! (No insult..so sorry everyone)
If you allow yourself without attachment of "TOO MUCH" "TOO LESS" you can be anywhere how long you want without any need,
I had this issue with one of my old friends and detaching yourself is the worst you can do, you cant dettach yourself from world of anything, because you never will be dead... You can only attach yourself, by which way ? who knows? Who wants ??
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