Where are we doing it wrong?

[Guest]

Simple Exorcisms Prayer against the evil eye & every evil

[Guest]

Unto some He gives the ability to receive the Knowledge of Light; and others, even when asleep, he makes fruitful from His own strength.

Synes., de Insomn, 135. Z. or T.




Having put on the completely armed-vigour of resounding Light, with triple strength fortifying the Soul and the Mind, He must put into the Mind the various Symbols, and not walk dispersedly on the empyræan path, but with concentration.

For being furnished with every kind of Armour, and armed, he is similar to the Goddess.

Proc. in Pl. Th., 324. T.




Every way unto the emancipated Soul extend the rays of Fire.

Psell., 11. Pletho, 24. Z.




 
We should flee, according to the Oracle, the multitude of men going in a herd.

Proc. in I. Alc. Z. or T.




MAGICAL AND PHILOSOPHICAL PRECEPTS
The Chaldæan Oracles of Zoroaster

[Guest]

Uncle Sam wroteo your "Thought adjuster" is the evidence that you worship FI and IBs connected to FI and Urantia is FI material.paradoxically this is the exact same religious fundamental attitude of fear that condemns and attributes to the 'Devil' anything that is new, unknown, or outside their narrow world-view.. 
ie. it threatens the paradigm of the tradition (dogma, doctrine)

so you have to conduct a witch-hunt/inquisition so to speak by labeling it satanic (FI)

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its a religious fundamental attitude of fear, intolerance, ignorance..

but through a psuedo-shamanism/nagualism filter..

and btw those ism's are not immune from the pitfalls of organized religion (ie cults/sects, commercialization, superstitions, fanaticism (crusader syndrome), priests (authoritarian heirarchies, false 'naguals'), sacred book fetishes, etc

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[Guest]

its a religious fundamental attitude of fear, intolerance, ignorance..

but through a psuedo-shamanism/nagualism filter..

and btw those ism's are not immune from the pitfalls of organized religion (ie cults/sects, commercialization, superstitions, fanaticism (crusader syndrome), priests (authoritarian heirarchies, false 'naguals'), sacred book fetishes, etc

[Gonzo]

The Blue Cliff Record wrote:Jang asked, "Great Worthy, what are you aiming at by sitting meditation?"
Ma said, "I aim to become a Buddha."
Jang then took a tile and began to rub it on a rock in front of the hermitage; Ma asked him what he was doing, rubbing the tile.
Jang said, "I am polishing it to make a mirror."
Ma said, "How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile?"
Jang said, "Granted that rubbing a tile will not make a mirror, how can sitting meditation make a Buddha?"
Ma asked, "Then, what would be right?"
Jang said, "It is like the case of an ox pulling a cart: if the cart does not go, would it be right to hit to cart, or would it be right to hit the ox?"
Ma didn't reply.

[cabbageman]

Friend, I've been biting my tongue for some time now but I see that it is time to express some opinions of mine.

Let's start from the beginning...You started a topic called "Cure for victims of CC books". By this very action, you show self-importance that it is your duty to "heal" us and simultaneously with the presumption that we are "sick". Have you actually read any of CC's books? If you did, you would know that Carlos Castaneda was an apprentice to a sorcerer called Don Juan Matus, and Don Juan taught Carlos specific techniques so that Carlos would become the next Nagual, the next sorcerer in the lineage. We find out through the books that Don Juan knew that Carlos would be the last of his direct lineage. In his books, Don Juan teaches Carlos many techniques in order to access the Nagual (the totality of himself, the energy body, the double). He teaches him techniques like stopping the internal dialogue, losing self-importance, erasing personal history, the way of the warrior, stalking behaviors (our tonal, our double and others) and dreaming (analyzing one's dreams by being consciously aware what we are dreaming when we are dreaming and meeting inorganic beings to teach us more about energy and the universe). He teaches Carlos these techniques so that Carlos can become impeccable, to save enough energy and learn not to indulge when he gains power. He teaches him these techniques so that he can access his nagual, learn to shift the assemblage points of himself or others at will, but more importantly, he teaches Carlos these things so that his task is complete, and so he can merge with infinity and burn from the fire within. The very fact of suggesting an alternative to death and that good/evil is man's creation...well that is HUGELY and obviously controversial!!

Through the books, especially in the book "The Art of Dreaming", we learn that Carlos is far from perfect and makes many mistakes. Then years later, we find out that Carlos died of natural causes and that some of his followers were found X days later dead and another person went missing entirely. Shortly after his death in fact, publishers specifically changed his book from non-fiction to fiction. Why? Because now there was a second controversy behind the author, that he lead his disciples to death. But if you read his books, you would know that he or DJ never suggested such a thing. Your self has to die, but metaphorically speaking.

Then there is the third point scholars try to point out as evidence to fraud. His books are inconsistent. One minute he says this and the next he says that. Again, if you actually read his books you would see that Carlos' perception goes through a complete roller coaster, a 360. He changes! By the end of his last book his writing style is much different but more importantly, we see that he actually learned from DJ. We see a progression on the path of knowledge.

Now, I personally don't care to get into an argument about this. But I will say, that, although I don't discount the power of imagination, Carlos wrote some things and introduced concepts that are totally mind blowing. To suggest someone can come up with this stuff out of the blue for a materialistic gain, to me, seems ridiculously far-fetched. Sure with enough peyote maybe, but come on.

My last point I wanted was that the human race cannot evolve collectively, it needs to evolve individually first. Religions group people together and put man at the center of the universe. They hide the truth, that we are luminous beings and that at the core halts this spiritual evolution. The scriptures are actually correct, they are historic documents. Especially one called the Enuma Elis (Sumeria). The story they depict was that a human-like race came to earth seeking gold, called the Annunaki. The Annunaki created Adamo, the first man to mine the gold for them, and when the task was done they left. They meant to destroy the humans (by not warning them about the flood) but one of the "Gods" warned Atra-Hasis (or also known as Noah). The great flood did actually occur, if you look at historic documents from all over the globe. The thing that makes the Enuma Elis a scary possiblity is that this clay tablet has never been altered by man, never copied and is one of the oldest scriptures on earth. When compared to the to the hebrew bible, they sync event to event, except that the hebrew bible took out the book of enoch, which covers the story of the Annunaki and how they taught man agriculture, pottery, etc...To assume man kind evolved and built a shovle one day is far-fetched, arrogant. We were taught. And so, what happened to the luminious beings who did not get locked up in bodies, who escaped? They, were perhaps the original seers, the old sorcerers.

The truth though, is that we were free, luminous beings before these "Gods" locked us up in our bodies. The human mold is sacred, don't get me wrong, but it is a mold and when we finally have command over the totality of ourselves, we free ourselves from this mold, and see infinity for what it really is.

So what is occult? It is simply a set of beliefs or practices that are outside the "norm" of society. And what is "norm"? Social conditioning of course. The Foreign Installation is in form of energy, and it is also our brain. And so any system of beliefs or practices that creates a line between body and spirit, in my tonal, is the same at the very core.

I don't mean to step on your toes but I don't think it is fair to go around quoting a bunch of things on a forum that most of it's members disagree with anyways. Please respect Nagual Lone Wolf even though he may not ask for it.

[Guest]

just be wary of castaneda nagualism dogma

or dogmatic interpretations of the 'teachings of don juan'

even the inner talk and syntax can become dogmatic

cosmic-universal 'nagualism' is beyond/greater/superior to castaneda fundamentalism (purism)..

you may not see dogmatic thinking is possible with CC books but its an energetic fact

[delawaredan]

o GATEWAY o wrote:

just be wary of castaneda nagualism dogma
or dogmatic interpretations of the 'teachings of don juan'
even the inner talk and syntax can become dogmatic
cosmic-universal 'nagualism' is beyond/greater/superior to castaneda fundamentalism (purism)..
you may not see dogmatic thinking is possible with CC books but its an energetic fact   

 
  be wary of any dogma....that is one of the basic facts I took from reading CC, that to adhere to any one doctrine is limiting.  
"The way that can be spoken of is not the constant Way; The name that can be named is not the constant Name. The nameless was at the beginning of heaven and earth; the named was the mother of myriad creatures."--Tao Te Ching

[Guest]

hey Gonzo its never right to hit animals 

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"From the mutual action and re-action of each of these pairs of opposites and contraries results that which with them forms the Triangle, to all the Ancient Sages the expressive symbol of the Deity; as from Osiris and Isis, Har-oeri, the Master of Light and Life, and the Creative Word. At the angles of one stand, symbolically, the three columns that support the Lodge, itself a symbol of the Universe, Wisdom, Power, and Harmony or Beauty. One of these symbols, found on the Tracing-Board of the Apprentice's Degree, teaches this last lesson of Freemasonry. It is the right-angled Triangle, representing man, as a union of the spiritual and material, of the divine and human. The base, measured by the number 3, the number of the Triangle, represents the Deity and the Divine; the perpendicular, measured by the number 4, the number of the Square, represents the Earth, the Material, and the Human; and the hypothenuse, measured by 5, represents that nature which is produced by the union of the Divine and Human, the Soul and the Body; the squares, 9 and 16, of the base and perpendicular, added together, producing 25, the square root whereof is 5, the measure of the hypothenuse.

And as in each Triangle of Perfection, one is three and three are one, so man is one, though of a double nature; and he attains the purposes of his being only when the two natures that are in him are in just equilibrium; and his life is a success only when it too is a harmony, and beautiful, like the great Harmonies of God and the Universe.

Such, my Brother, is the TRUE WORD of a Master Mason; such the true ROYAL SECRET, which makes possible, and shall at length make real, the HOLY EMPIRE of true Masonic Brotherhood.

GLORIA DEI EST CELARE VERBUM. AMEN."

Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret 
Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike

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[Guest]

"From the mutual action and re-action of each of these pairs of opposites and contraries results that which with them forms the Triangle, to all the Ancient Sages the expressive symbol of the Deity; as from Osiris and Isis, Har-oeri, the Master of Light and Life, and the Creative Word. At the angles of one stand, symbolically, the three columns that support the Lodge, itself a symbol of the Universe, Wisdom, Power, and Harmony or Beauty. One of these symbols, found on the Tracing-Board of the Apprentice's Degree, teaches this last lesson of Freemasonry. It is the right-angled Triangle, representing man, as a union of the spiritual and material, of the divine and human. The base, measured by the number 3, the number of the Triangle, represents the Deity and the Divine; the perpendicular, measured by the number 4, the number of the Square, represents the Earth, the Material, and the Human; and the hypothenuse, measured by 5, represents that nature which is produced by the union of the Divine and Human, the Soul and the Body; the squares, 9 and 16, of the base and perpendicular, added together, producing 25, the square root whereof is 5, the measure of the hypothenuse.

And as in each Triangle of Perfection, one is three and three are one, so man is one, though of a double nature; and he attains the purposes of his being only when the two natures that are in him are in just equilibrium; and his life is a success only when it too is a harmony, and beautiful, like the great Harmonies of God and the Universe.

Such, my Brother, is the TRUE WORD of a Master Mason; such the true ROYAL SECRET, which makes possible, and shall at length make real, the HOLY EMPIRE of true Masonic Brotherhood.

GLORIA DEI EST CELARE VERBUM. AMEN."


Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret 
Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike

[Guest]

fanaticism can be prevented with a scientific mental attitude and critically corrective philosophy.. or an iron will 

--

"It is only he, possessed of all sagely qualities that can exist
under heaven, who shows himself quick in apprehension, clear in
discernment, of far-reaching intelligence, and all-embracing
knowledge, fitted to exercise rule; magnanimous, generous, benign, and
mild, fitted to exercise forbearance; impulsive, energetic, firm,
and enduring, fitted to maintain a firm hold; self-adjusted, grave,
never swerving from the Mean, and correct, fitted to command
reverence; accomplished, distinctive, concentrative, and searching,
fitted to exercise discrimination.
  All-embracing is he and vast, deep and active as a fountain, sending
forth in their due season his virtues.
  All-embracing and vast, he is like Heaven. Deep and active as a
fountain, he is like the abyss. He is seen, and the people all
reverence him; he speaks, and the people all believe him; he acts, and
the people all are pleased with him.
  Therefore his fame overspreads the Middle Kingdom, and extends to
all barbarous tribes. Wherever ships and carriages reach; wherever the
strength of man penetrates; wherever the heavens overshadow and the
earth sustains; wherever the sun and moon shine; wherever frosts and
dews fall:-all who have blood and breath unfeignedly honor and love
him. Hence it is said,-"He is the equal of Heaven."
  It is only the individual possessed of the most entire sincerity
that can exist under Heaven, who can adjust the great invariable
relations of mankind, establish the great fundamental virtues of
humanity, and know the transforming and nurturing operations of Heaven
and Earth;-shall this individual have any being or anything beyond
himself on which he depends?
  Call him man in his ideal, how earnest is he! Call him an abyss, how
deep is he! Call him Heaven, how vast is he!
  Who can know him, but he who is indeed quick in apprehension,
clear in discernment, of far-reaching intelligence, and
all-embracing knowledge, possessing all Heavenly virtue?"

THE DOCTRINE OF THE MEAN
                                   Confucius


"Moderation in all things, including moderation."

Petronius

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[Guest]

"It is only he, possessed of all sagely qualities that can exist
under heaven, who shows himself quick in apprehension, clear in
discernment, of far-reaching intelligence, and all-embracing
knowledge, fitted to exercise rule; magnanimous, generous, benign, and
mild, fitted to exercise forbearance; impulsive, energetic, firm,
and enduring, fitted to maintain a firm hold; self-adjusted, grave,
never swerving from the Mean, and correct, fitted to command
reverence; accomplished, distinctive, concentrative, and searching,
fitted to exercise discrimination.
  All-embracing is he and vast, deep and active as a fountain, sending
forth in their due season his virtues.
  All-embracing and vast, he is like Heaven. Deep and active as a
fountain, he is like the abyss. He is seen, and the people all
reverence him; he speaks, and the people all believe him; he acts, and
the people all are pleased with him.
  Therefore his fame overspreads the Middle Kingdom, and extends to
all barbarous tribes. Wherever ships and carriages reach; wherever the
strength of man penetrates; wherever the heavens overshadow and the
earth sustains; wherever the sun and moon shine; wherever frosts and
dews fall:-all who have blood and breath unfeignedly honor and love
him. Hence it is said,-"He is the equal of Heaven."
  It is only the individual possessed of the most entire sincerity
that can exist under Heaven, who can adjust the great invariable
relations of mankind, establish the great fundamental virtues of
humanity, and know the transforming and nurturing operations of Heaven
and Earth;-shall this individual have any being or anything beyond
himself on which he depends?
  Call him man in his ideal, how earnest is he! Call him an abyss, how
deep is he! Call him Heaven, how vast is he!
  Who can know him, but he who is indeed quick in apprehension,
clear in discernment, of far-reaching intelligence, and
all-embracing knowledge, possessing all Heavenly virtue?"


THE DOCTRINE OF THE MEAN
                                   Confucius




"Moderation in all things, including moderation."

Petronius

[delawaredan]

o GATEWAY o wrote:

fanaticism can be prevented with a scientific mental attitude and critically corrective philosophy.. or an iron will 
acting impeccably from a place of no pity while on the path with heart

[cabbageman]

All true, I see your point, but I think you missed mine. 
Nevermind lol

[Guest]

even if cc books are zero, part, mostly or all fiction regardless they are genius works of art imo and can be honored and loved simply on that account

[cabbageman]

Definitely. I just finds that his books cover the basics and depending how much detail you need on this path, his books suffice.

[spiderlily]

cabbageman wrote:
My last point I wanted was that the human race cannot evolve collectively, it needs to evolve individually first. Religions group people together and put man at the center of the universe. They hide the truth, that we are luminous beings and that at the core halts this spiritual evolution.

Are you sure about this?  Don't you think that, as a group, an evolution would have far more impact, more energy and a greater reach than if an individual evolved alone?  I think, that the more individulas evolve and the more these individuals sharea nd learn and grow together, the more it allows for group evolution and transferring of awareness from singular to a more global reach. 
(edit: deleted a P.S with a request for admin/mod that was taken care of and the replies to it in later posting as it is not pertaining to the topic of discussion)

[watergaze]

spiderlily, i have no clue what you mean.. for me the whole reply box is black, so everything i type is black on black haha (needless to say i have always found this the most absurd thing on this site ), and the quotes are just like the rest. the color of your reply box depends on what type of editor you clicked in your profile settings. I have the one that is black, most people, since no one complained must have the other types. Seems the new yuku editors did some change on this quoting thing? or did you always have it black? Either way i know about this black on black stuff and it is on the list of things i want to change, sadly the box itself i dont know how to change, but will change the whole template of this subforum. just that this is not really my forte , graphic stuff. so yea, patience, this is getting on my nerves too. I was thinking probably all the rest who havent complained (cause so far no one did) use the other editor types. Now that i know im not alone with the black box (cause i do prefer this editor type i just do) i will move it up along the list of stuff to do. But pls write this kind of stuff in the mod long, cause i dont want the threads disrupted by a possible discussion this might spark.
(needless to say i am not responsible for putting this kind of not working element/template/background on the site, and i am just learning how everything works as i go, but your comment was helpful and good that you made it, cause now i know this thing is not good for other editor types either, if i put two and two together in the right way that is. I am planning to change the sections and new seers will probs merge with Modern Nagualism, then everything will have the modern nagualism template/background, which will take care of this issue. And imagine i am now typing and i dont see a damn thing.. And imagine i edit other people's posts here to merge them and how hard that is for me when all is black... just ridiculous)

edit: spiderlily, by quote box you mean the quick reply box? I really dont know what is a quite box. But after posting the box that is around the quote (so that is what i would call quote box if anything) is black yes, but the text within it is white (thus well readable)

[spiderlily]

watergaze wrotepiderlily, i have no clue what you mean.. for me the whole reply box is black, so everything i type is black on black haha (needless to say i have always found this the most absurd thing on this site ), and the quotes are just like the rest. the color of your reply box depends on what type of editor you clicked in your profile settings. I have the one that is black, most people, since no one complained must have the other types. Seems the new yuku editors did some change on this quoting thing? or did you always have it black? Either way i know about this black on black stuff and it is on the list of things i want to change, sadly the box itself i dont know how to change, but will change the whole template of this subforum. just that this is not really my forte , graphic stuff. so yea, patience, this is getting on my nerves too. I was thinking probably all the rest who havent complained (cause so far no one did) use the other editor types. Now that i know im not alone with the black box (cause i do prefer this editor type i just do) i will move it up along the list of stuff to do. But pls write this kind of stuff in the mod long, cause i dont want the threads disrupted by a possible discussion this might spark.
(needless to say i am not responsible for putting this kind of not working element/template/background on the site, and i am just learning how everything works as i go, but your comment was helpful and good that you made it, cause now i know this thing is not good for other editor types either, if i put two and two together in the right way that is. I am planning to change the sections and new seers will probs merge with Modern Nagualism, then everything will have the modern nagualism template/background, which will take care of this issue. And imagine i am now typing and i dont see a damn thing.. And imagine i edit other people's posts here to merge them and how hard that is for me when all is black... just ridiculous)

edit: spiderlily, by quote box you mean the quick reply box? I really dont know what is a quite box. But after posting the box that is around the quote (so that is what i would call quote box if anything) is black yes, but the text within it is white (thus well readable)
 
When I quote this,  the box above here.... is black and the text within it is black so I have no idea what I am quoting unless I highlight the text, then it's readable. Same with the quick reply, the text box (that you type inside of) is black and so is the text.

[Guest]

cabbageman wrote:I just finds that his books cover the basics and depending how much detail you need on this path, his books suffice.

 

thats well and good and all but that kind of attitude is also the basis for a certain brand of purism..  which if you elevate CC books to some plane of specialness there will always be the inherent dangers I have been commenting on if one is not mindful..  so this is seeing/stalking so to speak religious-like aspects of the CC books (the holy texts) and nagualism' in general

[Guest]

"That purely scholastic Theology, issue of the Categories of Aristotle and of the Sentences of Peter Lombard, that logic of the syllogism which argues instead of reasoning, and finds a response to every thing by subtilizing on terms, wholly ignored the Kabalistic dogma and wandered off into the drear vacuity of darkness. It was less a philosophy or a wisdom than a philosophical automaton, replying by means of springs, and uncoiling its theses like a wheeled movement. It was not the human verb but the monotonous cry of a machine, the inanimate speech of an Android. It was the fatal precision of mechanism, instead of a free application of rational necessities. ST. THOMAS AQUINAS crushed with a single blow all this scaffolding of words built one upon the other, by proclaiming the eternal Empire of Reason, in that magnificent sentence, "A thing is not just because GOD wills it; but GOD wills it because it is just." The proximate consequence of this proposition, arguing from the greater to the less, was this: "A thing is not true because ARISTOTLE has said it; but ARISTOTLE could not reasonably say it unless it was true. Seek then, first of all, the TRUTH and JUSTICE, and the Science of ARISTOTLE will be given you in addition."
It is the fine dream of the greatest of the Poets, that Hell, become useless, is to be closed at length, by the aggrandizement of Heaven; that the problem of Evil is to receive its final solution, and Good alone, necessary and triumphant, is to reign in Eternity. So the Persian dogma taught that AHRIMAN and his subordinate ministers of Evil were at last, by means of a Redeemer and Mediator, to be reconciled with Deity, and all Evil to end. But unfortunately, the philosopher forgets all the laws of equilibrium, and seeks to absorb the Light in a splendor without shadow, and movement in an absolute repose that would be the cessation of life. So long as there shall be a visible light, there will be a shadow proportional to this Light, and whatever is illuminated will cast its cone of shadow. Repose will never be happiness, if it is not balanced by an analogous and contrary movement. This is the immutable law of Nature, the Eternal Will of the JUSTICE which is GOD."  -Morals and Dogma, by Albert Pike

[Guest]

[Guest]

(edit: merged w/ double hehe ))

[Guest]

Deity = Nagual/Infinity/Eagle/3rd Attention/Intent/Dark Sea of Awareness/Totality of Oneself etc etc etc

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'thousands of years in a day' is multiple assemblage point shifts/positions ie. multidimensional dreaming/nagual/warrior/seeing experience intensity/potency and omnilateral thinking

"Your only hope of comprehending these transactions is to pause and consider the technique of your disordered and garbled dream life—how you can in a few seconds traverse years of experience in these fantasies of the night season.

The oratory of the spirit world is one of the rare treats which await you who have heard only the crude and stumbling orations of Urantia. There is harmony of music and euphony of expression in the orations of Salvington and Edentia which are inspiring beyond description. These burning concepts are like gems of beauty in diadems of glory. But I cannot do it! I cannot convey to the human mind the breadth and depth of these realities of another world!"   -an Archangel

[watergaze]

Gateway,
seems you are not checking the 'Admin/Mod log' even thought some of your posts have been edited for moderation reasons (it is always a good idea to check the Admin/Mod log, especially if your posts have been modified). Here is a copy paste of what I wrote 2 days ago: I wrote:merged posts made in close succession in 'Cure for victims of CC books' in 'New Seers' section

I ask o GATEWAY o to post more consciously in one piece and to not make his posts long by adding many spaces in between lines and even at the end of his posts
as he does here: http://sorcery.yuku.com/reply/78267/Cur ... eply-78267
or here: http://sorcery.yuku.com/reply/78124/Cur ... eply-78124

(quoted from: http://sorcery.yuku.com/reply/78328/Adm ... eply-78328 )Making more than 2 posts in close succession is disruptive and might even be considered as spamming.

I started making a draft of the rules and guidelines, which i really wished to avoid having to do. It will take time, but i already have a few things on there, among them is this one that concerns you specifically:
"By using this web site, you agree to be contacted by site administration when it becomes necessary to do so regarding your account activity. If you have disabled pms in your yuku account settings you may not be contacted and thus you voluntarily relinquish this option, which results in the administration proceeding to the next step of action, as if they had contacted you without getting a reply from you."
Because such rules are not posted yet I try to notify you here to change your posting behavior, from here on it is your responsibility to keep yourself informed.

(If you wish to reply to this message please do so by quoting it in the Admin/Mod log: http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/4218/Admi ... onal-Stuff )