Threads like impeccable plants

[seesaw]

Posting a thread is a bit like planting a seed, in my opinion anyway. We have a certain content that we place out in the open and allow it to interact with the wider world. With care and attention we can keep these seeds going to the point where they flourish and sprout, with a bit of luck that is. 
This is my little thread then, all about the energy of our written posts. I find it fascinating seeing what happens to these seed ideas once they are released here on the forum. Most people are respectful and nurturing of threads, others are just selfish and dump all over our little creations. That type of behaviour is damaging and rude. It is hurtful to see ones creations damaged out of ignorance and thoughtfulness by responses to it. I have seen threads killed and crushed by immature attitudes, people wanting to dominate, people needing to be heard, wanting to win in an argument at all costs. The thing is every time a thread is answered , the person responding is holding the energy of the original and is responsible for the threads survival. Threads are fragile, easily upset, they die, can get hurt, they hold memories that will have further consequences. Sometimes they even fruit and produce offshoots. There are even others with the power to heal and help us. Other threads just need a bloody good prune by a good moderator as they inflict a presence on the entire surroundings that can be deleterious.



If anyone should care to post anything here on this little seed thread, my hope is that whatever you wish to write is the absolute best that you can muster. Anything less than that is really not worth contributing.

[Mornings Son]

OOOiii
I agree
the core of the seed of the topic should be nurtured
yet is it not through challenge that it gains strength?
still
KEEP TO THE .... RAMA TOPIC
please

[seesaw]

Yes, interesting point about threads growing through being challenged. I hadn't thought of that before but now see its true, threads do need a certain amount of controversy or divergence in views that they continue. In that way they draw people in who have views on the subject who then feel the need to do whatever they do.
Which brings me to my next point, the intent of peoples responses. I see two distinct areas, conscious expression, and the deeper structure of the hidden compulsion to respond.
I mentioned in the opening post a few different styles of response, some that cut, others that agree and support, others still change the direction of a thread completely, (much like a change in angle of a plants stem) I try to be aware of what it is i actually want when i post and have to admit that a lot of the time its pure ego based stuff like wanting to sound great, liking the sound of my own voice etc. Seeing this vile content in myself helps to see similar in others too, which is similarly as revolting to witness as my own reasons.


So i'll come clean, the reason i wrote this thread is to support the general spring clean that is happening here on the site. Just a gentle reminder (thwack) of how i would like evolved beings to engage in intercourse. Also i love the sound of my own voice.

[watergaze]

Let me say this is a lovely thread, and I really appreciate it's intent . To look at how conversations/threads 'work' is an interesting thing to observe around here and I have done so now and then .


i posted something a bit connected to this topic in the admin/mod log thread, thought it would fit here :

concerning premeditation [as in pre thinking how one posts], some things are better not premeditated and others should be. Im not gonna say which is which for whom, but i do see sometimes people dont put much into their posts . 


Posting is a very good self-stalking mechanism for warriors, i find. We see our behavior and see our emotions and reactions to posts etc. We can learn to see/feel the intents of threads and decide to do our best in supporting and not disrupting them. 
but we do choose how we behave, and if we dont, if its just how it happens without us having control (without us allowing it consciously to go into that mode for a good reason) then we still got work ahead. And we sure should be able to make short as well as long posts and polite as well as impolite and sensible and nonsensical - we just need to choose what to put out consciously . And be ready to reap the consequences heh.
[and, I want to add, we should also be mindful of others while doing that/choosing how to answer, cause we are not alone here..]


when a person sees a thread he or she can also see what their post does to it. If the poster doesnt really know what they are posting (and cant see the bigger thread there that they hang their beads onto) it can become a big mess pretty soon.


one always sees seer/nagual here seer/nagual there on this (these) forum(s), i am in third attention you in second, or you in tonal im in second. but, imo, from the way people post and communicate one can really see how good they (these naguals) have stuff under control, and what order they have on their tables.



(if anyone wants the larger context of this post, thought i dont think it is needed, it is to be found around here: http://sorcery.yuku.com/reply/72269/Adm ... eply-72269 )

[seesaw]

Do you think its possible to add magic to threads? If so how would one do it?

Ok well ive just had an almost instant answer to my own question. By writing from different states of awareness i could change the frequency of the thread. If i wrote the thread whilst in a state of sleep it would have a very different quality and would attract different responses.  Rosy let on to a mini secret of his the other day and informed me quite lucidly that she posts on the forum with the intent of stalking the nagual, she is not writing from a position of interacting with the normal social part. 


I wonder how much stuff she is actually getting away with whilst our attention is hooked onto the known obvious parts of her responses. Its surely something worth playing with, yes?

[watergaze]

Nice how you answered that for yourself hehe


If we take magic to be an AP shift, then no question about it. Happens to me every time i read a certain person's dream thread in RF. I think this person writes from going very close to the dream state and it is very hard for me to get through the whole dream post. I keep loosing focus, and get pulled, want to go sleep. I therefore have to dose these posts as i dont want to get into such a state during the day.

Also, we know CC's books had 'magic', so its possible to put it in threads too, just the threads might have to keep a certain setting/intent up for a while. And be written from similar states.


I do not know about rosy and how s/he views his/her posts, or what s/he thinks on this topic.. But I see this place as a meeting spot not a personal diary or talking to one self. The first function of a site like this is to share (while thinking of others too) and communicate. If you want to write in such a way that 'you' is all it needs, then blog is what you usually go for on the web. So, I look at these people and shake my head, if i feel they are not trying to communicate with the public (in this case us - visitors of the site). Yes, personal threads can be incorporated in sites such as these and surely it makes sense to have them. But if a user's main activity is posting that does not try to be clear and communicative then, imo, its not as good as it could be.


For some reason some think that going at things through other attention makes things cryptic and unintelligible to normal sense. This does not have to be the case. These people have just not made it a point in the conditions they require. This is what results in the general public having image of shamans as some incoherent blabberers (as if or) on drugs. People who post like this here perpetuate this image when the truth is that shamans can be people like DJ, who are very rational, make sense, can talk sensibility and at the same time shift their AP to various spots and influence others. Not to mention I know someone who shows this kind of possibility very well in my real life, so its not just 'book characters' who can do it (saying this if somebody wanted to go argue about such a senseless point) . 


Rationality seemed to be very valued by DJ and CC. They wanted the people around to study university to develop their rational mind (and ofc university was just a tool, other tools can be used for that). A sorcerer with good rationality is more stable and also does not loose themselves as easily. 
The shaman is not about blabbering incoherent stuff but translate things for the public, communicate (i dont mean to say this is not what the shamans in many parts of the world do, but i tend to look at that as some kind of degenerate shamanism, old and outdated). Their primary function is to bring things from out there into coherent form, among other things they do it so that they share this with people who can learn even though they cant travel out as far. (And I do not mean to say by this that they should not make use of metaphors, stories, images, scenes.. no surely not, creativity/poetry in all forms is crucial in expressing.)
But ofc for this some skill is needed, its just that i find it sad people dont require this of themselves. we can change the way the general public looks at this community if we did. It wouldnt be 'those crazy people' but more like 'these people got some skill and make a lot of sense, not to mention they can give good helpful tips for real life too'.  (someone's reaction at this spot could be to say 'why should we care what they think?' This was not the point why i said that. But, well, if you are among those who had this reaction i suggest you think/feel on it a bit before sprouting that direction into this thread. and then if you still want to go into it make another thread for it , cause that is a totally different topic. imo shaman is controlled insanity, so they/we should be able to project sanity on the outside)


Let members of this site stalk the (or from the) nagual, but they dont need to put the stuff in front of my/public's eyes in order to do that, unless they want to share something with me in a way that has the intent of communication. And that they can do as the second phase of their own personal effort in nagual regions. 
What more, they can make a post in some style and then explain it too (which is what I like when rosy does it). That would actually be a learning tool for lots of people, it would help them be able to understand what rosy does and learn the skill of 'translating' it.


What concerns me rosy is not 'getting away' with much. I tend to avoid these kind of posts, only read them with the right mood/setting for me. And if a third party had not alerted me to rosy's picture in that picture thread which i then removed I would probs not have noticed it (or not for some time). You might have seen a certain user posting here a while back who could make perfect sense and did so at first and then just digressed into these incoherent posts which spread out all sorts of bad stuff. I avoided those like the plague (but sadly others were drawn to it like flies, cause imo they felt the power there). Even though one does not understand things with reason one still feels, some things reek with stuff i wont even go into reading, other things just dont give me anything or too little in return for reading them (and ofc we all have slightly different interests). And I try not to waste my energy on such. So until I see people with intent to share in a communicative style that tries to reach out to their readers I might just not bother with the posts. Ofc unless it is a section for personal sharing, blog style, which i go into with and when have the right setting. But I do not like these kinds of posts mixed in with the rest of a communicative thread. It feels then like people are pulling at different threads and no carpet can be woven like that. People need to listen better before they speak (and i include myself into this category, listening is pretty hard sometimes). People just jump the gun and bring stuff from places that doesnt connect very well/is not relevant, although the post is interesting and can bring out good points, it just does not go into that thread, and the people who are waiting for that plant to grow just witnessed a whole bunch of fertilizer that would be perfect for say an arctic plant be dumped on a cactus
potentially good stuff in the wrong spot, makes the thread's intent weaken.


(and I apologize to rosy for using her/him as an example in some parts of this post if it does not go well with him/her. It seemed to be the best way to go about it in order to be clear in my rely here. I find it is ok if it is done respectfully and with good intent for all included (it should not ever be used for personal attacks, even if, or especially when, they are dressed up as intents to help). I dont mean to change rosy, nor do i dislike her/his presence and activity on this site. let her/him post however s/he likes as long as the site allows it and right now it does, within some politeness limits, and i dont see that changing in the future. Not under my watch . Though i would prefer to not mix such posts into threads with different kind of focus and I do hope that people will start noticing more the 'mood' of the threads and respect it.)


--- so, yes, i am still reaching out to that place from which ideas and things come from to be clearer on how to better make sections for this place. And this is one of the things i am 'contemplating'. Why not make a section with having Nagual, or something similar in meaning, in the title (then ofc removing the one that has nagual in the title now) that would be for threads/posts from/for the other side, kinda rosy's style. I am waiting for stuff to settle and emerge more clearly on this topic, hopefully i wont be waiting too long on that. I need to see the other sections a bit better too before i start to make changes.
as far as i can see this would actually help everyone who likes to post like that, because they will have a place whose intent is to foster it. (cause right now such threads are dispersed all over the site, much to the lamentations of many a rational post seeking reader lol)

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