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[Littlepaw]

Hello all,
I was just thinking about about how thoughts effect reality.  I then realised that first I had to answer another question.  What is reality?  I|mmediatly I can tell you that I thought this, everything  you can hear, smell, touch, feel, see,  but all the former are kind of actions so all we are left with as an answer is that Reality is everything..  This feels like I am back at the beginning.  If reality is everything then what is everything?  Answer, Matter, energy?  I get the feeling reality might be comprised of things that I cannot see, hear, smell, touch, feel?  Perhaps reality is something I cannot think about about but obviously can experience.  So how can I experience something and not be able to define what it is?  Perhaps then reality is undefinable but if I do not define reality then I will never be able to asses truthfully how thoughts may if at all effect reality.  Right now I do not even know why i wanted to know how thoughts may effect reality.  Perhaps i thought it would make an interesting discussion

[mocomoracho]

energy effects reality, descriptions contain ways to imply energy and cohesion, and ways "formations of cohesion" hold weight and formation of outcomes , so when ways and descriptions change they may become superceeded and the energy utilised becomes different and advancement is made upon the path it could be said within that context ,

so what is defined can become more than has been defined , because within the boundary of definition . words and formation are power.



but energy will let us know ," traversing the great bands of emanations ", whether or not we have proceeded lightly and where we ended up.



higher vibrations , somethings are evident beyond the descriptions though implicitly.



a tree yields fruit . Where are we rooted.

[Littlepaw]

Dear mocomoracho,



I don't believe we have met so hi! : )



OK, thanks for your reply. I think what I am struggling with is the fact that although i can pretend to know what you are talking about i just don't have any direct experiences which i can connect to what you have said, despite the fact that it all makes sense to me hypothetically. So are we just talking hypothetically?

[mocomoracho]

Hi Littlepaw,



when i read your post it struck me to speak , because i was in the midst of going through something i found related myself, with my own observing.

What i was speaking about was the formation of words and how they relate between themselves and build on themselves " similar to how personalities are built , social structures are built , identities of objects , and more than this , entire agreeable worlds i suppose complete with creative content.



in this way, i only address from a view "point""mine" also relative, the questions you expressed.



But i agree it was an interesting topic and interested also to see where it might go .



As expressing and building using energy in the world to go beyond what was previously .



In the post i was trying to point out how expression weaves , light , darkness , outcomes through its implied use.



or nothing definable through its ability to undo itself with "logic" or collapse of logic ,



yet energy still becomes defined , depending on the expressions implied ,



or impressions received or noticed by the observer,

and all being relevant ,

and how the realness of what is implied can keep a facade in place to be believed through use of its own implied realness in the creation of those descriptions.



Unfortunately i run the risk of sounding insane and wordy, trying to describe the fine line between relative expression when bordering on the existence/non existence of " no thing ".



some would say its the ap , but it sounds like a simple fix to me , because in an effort to go beyond this , what is seen within the fields that pass through the ap , may act upon it as it acts upon them ,



So then , we have the possibility to align our selves with possibility i suppose . supposition is a precursor for ability to "shift " , so we find , new bands to align with and expand.



Just pouring it out as it comes . Just as curious to see it come out also.

[mocomoracho]

ok ,

i am driving in my car , my car has had a broken mirror for a year or so , but not this day , i have finally glued it back together , with my actions i appear to have implied it has been "fixed" after being broken .



Now as i drive along , a bird flies "out of no where" and smashes the mirror to bits less than 24 hours of "finally fixing that damn broken mirror".



a "real" even' t which actually took place .



my descriptions have impliied a scenario to which the "nagual" has yielded some intent to, as has intent yielded some to nagual .



or somesuch.

[mocomoracho]

perhaps in this description , reality is abstract and cannot be pinned down exactly in its forming / formless nature .

But i really don't want to fall back upon reliable descriptions to imply what can only be implied . i think i just did it anyway. : )

[Littlepaw]

Hi mocomoracho,



That's a funny story about the bird. Although I suppose it is story about you and your quick fixes? Have you wondered much about what it means? or is it just Sod's Law? Its funny that things have meaning. i once read a book once called the search for meaning by Viktor Frankl. It is a true story about the authors experiences in a war time concentration camp. looking back now that book for me has grown inside me since at the time I read it I knew zero. With new experiences my old experiences take on new meaning themselves.

[SorceryfilesTyrant]

I would look at that a little differently.  Consider that we are basically attempting to tune into the universal warrior's intent "network" with the equipment that we have, while trying to upgrade and power that equipment continuously. The warriors string of intent in return communicates back to us in the best way it can (though it is often either un-noticed or cryptic as all hell) through both first and second attention. To view the message, i would take a "personal step back" to observer mode (which you have partially done by identifying that this is an incident related to the warriors path) and then look at it under the guise of another.
First Driving/vehicle transport is rather lethal to humans, it kills more people "accidentally" than pretty much any thing else. You had your mirror damaged, there by hampering your safety, making you a little more vulnerable in the odds of things. You took a year to fix it, but even then u did a half pie job of it. The universe goes out of its way to point out that a warrior is required to remain on top of their game in all arenas of their lives, and sends a bird to smash it for you so you notice.
If this was me, I would interpret this as a warning to "tidy up" all potential hazards in your life, making it a little tighter. Check the tires, glue down that loose bathroom tile, move some junk lying around the house and drop it at the local charity place or dump, partially so you are not so much a target of the snipers of the unknown, but so that it relays and affects your path as well, tightening up your warrior practices by default.. kind of like a rolling effect. The universe has let you know that your a bit too loose.
Then i would thank Power for it. The impact most likely killed the "damn bird" as well, who will need an appreciative thank you, and if it didn't kill it, I would be even more on my guard. Its up to you of course, if you don't take the gift, or decide you are two busy. I would see potentially several courses happening from it. You will find the universe loves to shine a light on what lessons need to be worked on and techniques needing polishing. If u don't do it, it tends to repeat that lesson over and over, or in some instances it may simply decide you are of better value in the role of a mirror crashing bird..  ; )  kind of scary sometimes how impersonal it all is.
Tyrant

[mocomoracho]

LOL. Interesting , thank you , for the perspectives .

This happened maybe 7 years ago i should have mentioned . for the example , so i will give another of an "opposite ".



in hope of finding something in terchangably recognisable , yet unique.



This moment.



A man is fixing a car , another man who he did not know arrives , and in the haste and ignogance , he turns this second man away .



another attempt .



Then a second opportunity arrives when the man enters the scenario again , and is accepted by the first man this time.



Now an accident happens in which a piece of equipment is broken whilst witnessed by the two men within a common moment of crossing and intents.

The second formerly unwanted association by the first man now becomes evidently "valuable" as the second man interjects respectfully , that the part which is now broken before them he has another the same and will deliver the component necessary to repair it within the hour .



The lesson i find is valuable within the moment it is forming , and also in retrospection. There is also forward momentum.



What is placed over the event is what i find of importance here particularly . Intent has rode side by side with motion .



Even the "warriors way " may provide an opportunity to grasp a "concept"



However if it is lost to "concept " , fluidity will be lost and the 'origin' will remain to be seen , of course never being grasped.



Watching the tide i would say , the water may become tightly fixed untill it lose sense of the ocean which formed it.



instead for expansion and holding hands with power .

[mocomoracho]

STF .

I enjoyed what you wrote more when i read it again,

it brought to me other things , like polarities ,

and what is built upon existing ideals as such ,

although i would enjoy to hear any opinions about this also ,

energetic harmonics.

when we mix teachings as has been often done .

We come to contradictions , and contradictions may lead to confusion .

So we have teachers who have "done it already"

and may show us the way .

I just want to shout ,

let spirit play ,

guide the direction .

listen .

to the sound.

That's just me.

"today".

the humbleness of a "warrior" almost at defeat "

"defeat of "self"

walking the edge of the abyss shall we,

Making peace with a moment in passing.

Please accept me as you find me and move with grace from there.

these pictures are my actions.

on my way somewhere ,

not no where ,

with nothing in my hand?

[mocomoracho]

Hi Littlepaw ,

I am a citizen/student of the world .

When i read these stories , they give differently each time i read them .

They may take the form of metaphors , or of already formed implications overlaid to create judgements based on conclusions reached ,

I could touch them i suppose .

Also moments before the bird struck ,

a large billboard had a picture of the same species bird as i passed ,

what consistently strikes me ,

is that they have reflected the original moments in passing .

which are complex and mysterious./ or are they ?

I think good to not become too fixed ,

and in the same breath to dis jointed to not have something revealed of value .

a stone to step upon becomes revealed ,

so if i were to answer , then i would have only to give a moments impression.

the feeling from those events does seem to give lift untill it is tried to be contained so .......

i don't really know .

today i accept nothing at face value.

did you ever see a layer of an onion ?

i saw a person within one once,

and it stayed with me ,

what they saw ,

was it what i also saw ?

a reflection presented ?

where exactly were we ?

[Archaos]

Hi Littlepaw.

I hope you found what reality is for you.

I would say that thoughts have very little effect on reality.

If you observe thoughts for any length of time, you may realise that they are not even yours.

Thought, thinker and object thought about are all reduced to consciousness in a bigger picture.

It is there, where they are one homogeneous substance, that magic happens.

Will and Intent - these are the tools of warriors.

Thinking belongs to the tonal/1st attention and it doesn't really change anything.

For a warrior, the only change worth noting is a change from the first to the second attention,

and this begins when the thought/internal dialogue stops.



So what did you find about reality?

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