Accept Suffering

[armchair]

If you really want to grow beyond normalcy and become a powerful and aware individual with endless posibilites of subtle experiences and
enjoyment, peace and happiness free from the dull masses...







ACCEPT SUFFERING




It's part of the process and you are going to suffer either way.


Don't resist the USEFUL suffering and you
will suffer less in the end.

[Gonzo]

Accept yourself. Far more difficult, far more rewarding. We all suffer.

[armchair]

Gonzo wrote:

Accept yourself. Far more difficult, far more rewarding. We all suffer.





That's the point old fart. People doesn't accept oneself because it hurts. Try your own advice. Accept yourself as the old, lazy and opinionated ass
that you are and if you are pissed at me come up with a good comeback or the good old "*** you GS!" instead of some bullshit answer that shows how
very little you understand.




Go to the abbey and do mass to the followers (?), abbot Gonzo.

[Mornings Son]

Why accept suffering when you can become free of suffering?




who is it that is suffering GS or should I just call you aka?


XD

[armchair]

Mornings Son wrote:

Why accept suffering when you can become free of suffering?




who is it that is suffering GS or should I just call you aka?


XD
Heh!




What I mean is that discipline (such as stalking, recapitulation, shutting the internal dialogue, etc) can be PAINFUL and if you don't do it there is no chance of freeing oneself from suffering.




There is no solution if you can't pass the remedy down your throat.




We suffer with our identification with our self-image mainly. At any
rate even Buddhas suffer in worlds such as this one.






Real compassion can be extremely painful, but that's not a good reason to avoid the path.








Self-pity has a place in our lives that lasts almost forever. We have to stick to heightened awareness in order to stay beyond it.

[Gonzo]

armchair wrote:


Mornings Son wrote:

Why accept suffering when you can become free of suffering?




who is it that is suffering GS or should I just call you aka?


XD
Heh!




What I mean is that discipline (such as stalking, recapitulation, shutting the internal dialogue, etc) can be PAINFUL and if you don't do it there is no chance of freeing oneself from suffering.




There is no solution if you can't pass the remedy down your throat.




We suffer with our identification with our self-image mainly. At any
rate even Buddhas suffer in worlds such as this one.






Real compassion can be extremely painful, but that's not a good reason to avoid the path.








Self-pity has a place in our lives that lasts almost forever. We have to stick to heightened awareness in order to stay beyond it.





Isn't this what I said? ....accept yourself?

[Gonzo]

armchair wrote:


Gonzo wrote:

Accept yourself. Far more difficult, far more rewarding. We all suffer.






That's the point old fart. People doesn't accept oneself because it hurts. Try your own advice. Accept yourself as the old, lazy and opinionated
ass that you are and if you are pissed at me come up with a good comeback or the good old "*** you GS!" instead of some bullshit answer that
shows how very little you understand.




Go to the abbey and do mass to the followers (?), abbot Gonzo.
















Heh. The first one who gets angry loses the game.

[rasselon.nagual]

Isn't suffering caused by the foreign Installation? I just finished reading "The Active Side of Infinity" today and came to the realization that
the mysterious force I've been afraid of my whole life is F.I.! This realization put me in a very good mood. I'm not suffering one bit and if I do
start suffering again, I know I can reject it. To me, accepting suffering is accepting the foreign instalation and that's something I'm not going to
do. I know that I am a tard but I can't hate my self for it without the F.I.s influence.




Humans aren't lazy. They are really cool and very hard workers. They are quite amazing actually. F.I. is the one that's lazy. F.I. is the one that
keeps us from doing and causes our constipation. I'm crapping that old bastard right out! That smell? That's F.I. Every time I fart or ****, I say
goodbye to F.I. Granted, F.I. can be mean and ornery and quite huge. It may take a lot of work to pass all of it. Could be a painful and long process. I want
to suffer less in the end. That's why I'm crapping now and am going to keep on crapping.




Isn't that what you mean armchair? That we should stop holding it in and start crapping like there's no tomorrow?

[armchair]

Gonzo wrote:


armchair wrote:


Gonzo wrote:

Accept yourself. Far more difficult, far more rewarding. We all suffer.






That's the point old fart. People doesn't accept oneself because it hurts. Try your own advice. Accept yourself as the old, lazy and opinionated
ass that you are and if you are pissed at me come up with a good comeback or the good old "*** you GS!" instead of some bullshit answer that
shows how very little you understand.




Go to the abbey and do mass to the followers (?), abbot Gonzo.
















Heh. The first one who gets angry loses the game.







I'm not the one begging for my attention.

[armchair]

rasselon wrote:

Isn't suffering caused by the foreign Installation? I just finished reading "The Active Side of Infinity" today and came to the realization
that the mysterious force I've been afraid of my whole life is F.I.! This realization put me in a very good mood. I'm not suffering one bit and if I
do start suffering again, I know I can reject it. To me, accepting suffering is accepting the foreign instalation and that's something I'm not going
to do. I know that I am a tard but I can't hate my self for it without the F.I.s influence.




Humans aren't lazy. They are really cool and very hard workers. They are quite amazing actually. F.I. is the one that's lazy. F.I. is the one that
keeps us from doing and causes our constipation. I'm crapping that old bastard right out! That smell? That's F.I. Every time I fart or ****, I say
goodbye to F.I. Granted, F.I. can be mean and ornery and quite huge. It may take a lot of work to pass all of it. Could be a painful and long process. I want
to suffer less in the end. That's why I'm crapping now and am going to keep on crapping.




Isn't that what you mean armchair? That we should stop holding it in and start crapping like there's no tomorrow?




You are mistaken. The problem is not the Foreign Instalation but SELF-IMPORTANCE. The flyer is only the first barrier, not the last. Accepting suffering means
not running away from it... facing it and growing beyond it. If you are afraid of getting hurt you are not going anywhere. PS: Read beating the flyer for good.
It's a post of mine.

[Mornings Son]

rasselon wrote:

Isn't suffering caused by the foreign Installation? I just finished reading "The Active Side of Infinity" today and came to the realization
that the mysterious force I've been afraid of my whole life is F.I.! This realization put me in a very good mood. I'm not suffering one bit and if I
do start suffering again, I know I can reject it. To me, accepting suffering is accepting the foreign instalation and that's something I'm not going
to do. I know that I am a tard but I can't hate my self for it without the F.I.s influence.




Humans aren't lazy. They are really cool and very hard workers. They are quite amazing actually. F.I. is the one that's lazy. F.I. is the one that
keeps us from doing and causes our constipation. I'm crapping that old bastard right out! That smell? That's F.I. Every time I fart or ****, I say
goodbye to F.I. Granted, F.I. can be mean and ornery and quite huge. It may take a lot of work to pass all of it. Could be a painful and long process. I want
to suffer less in the end. That's why I'm crapping now and am going to keep on crapping.

Your finding is a fine achievment!


FI talks poison into the ear of selfimportment, who indulge in it... alas




How do you **** the old bastard out?




and also welcome to Shamanic warrior Rasselon

[Mornings Son]

Many-names


yes there is pain - but that just a electic signal in the brain


don't think Buddhas suffer - there AP is not that of a normal human at all.

[Gonzo]

armchair wrote:

I'm not the one begging for my attention.
Really? Aren't you the one trying to be profound?

[armchair]

Gonzo wrote:


armchair wrote:

I'm not the one begging for my attention.
Really? Aren't you the one trying to be profound?







I don't try. If you need to win this, you are in a worst state than you think.

[rasselon.nagual]

Mornings Son wrote:

How do you **** the old bastard out?




and also welcome to Shamanic warrior Rasselon


Thanks, Mornings Son and everyone else. This board and others, has been very helpful.


I'm a newbie, so I don't really know what I'm talking about though I seem to have written about the flyers as if I did. Since I don't see,
it's just what I believe. That's why I posted, to see if I'm on the right track.


I may have gone a bit over board on the metaphor but that's the method I've adopted to remind myself about the flyers. Everytime I use the
bathroom, I have to state out loud, my intention to be rid of them.

[armchair]

rasselon wrote:


Mornings Son wrote:

How do you **** the old bastard out?




and also welcome to Shamanic warrior Rasselon


Thanks, Mornings Son and everyone else. This board and others, has been very helpful.


I'm a newbie, so I don't really know what I'm talking about though I seem to have written about the flyers as if I did. Since I don't see,
it's just what I believe. That's why I posted, to see if I'm on the right track.


I may have gone a bit over board on the metaphor but that's the method I've adopted to remind myself about the flyers. Everytime I use the
bathroom, I have to state out loud, my intention to be rid of them.








Good luck in your journey of discovery.

[docta lee]

Suffer? well maybe but if you are focused on the goal which is freedom-freedom to perceive worlds that are "normally" blocked.




The suffering is just part of the process, stirring up old tales from your past will do this




Similar to my new students who learn the djembe drum- they complain of pain in the hands, it's just part of it.




Stop talking, stop thinking-just play the drum!

[bluedreamer]

Here is a nice quote from DJ Don Juan : )


"There is no completeness without sadness and longing, for without them there is no sobriety, no kindness. Wisdom without kindness and knowledge without sobriety are useless."

Welcome aboard this 3 hour tour Rasselon and don't mind me --I'm a nut case and newbie too, it is the place to start : )

[someguy]

Hi rasselon, I think we all need to suffer to appreciate peace........if we as individuals ever find it of course. I was talking to shep and he agrees with me
on that one.




also, which of the Castaneda material do you think I should start reading first?, there is so much stuff on scribd I dont know where to start.




PS, thanks for bringing me here!

[yogic]

someguy wrote:

Hi rasselon, I think we all need to suffer to appreciate peace........if we as individuals ever find it of course. I was talking to shep and he agrees with
me on that one.




also, which of the Castaneda material do you think I should start reading first?, there is so much stuff on scribd I dont know where to start.




PS, thanks for bringing me here!




I suggest starting with The Art of Dreaming, Journey to Ixtlan and The Wheel of Time (core concepts in the form of quotations) Good luck.

[Mornings Son]

Welcome here someguy




I agree, but would take Ixtlan together with Wheel and the Dreaming

[rasselon.nagual]

I originally read The Fire From Within first, then went and bought the rest and read them in order, but that was many years ago. I would suggest The Art of
Dreaming as an important one to read, but the others all blend together so couldn't suggest any one. I didn't like the first one much. What yogic and
Mornings Son suggested sounds good to me.




From my experience, the most important things in there for the average person, not interested in following a warriors path is to reduce the internal dialogue
and reduce self-importance. This seems to foster a more objective view on reality which will reduce self pity and suffering. While suffering certainly gives
an appreciation of not-suffering, and and understanding of it in others, at some point, it's my belief one should move beyond it to other lessons and not
use that as an excuse to continue indulging in it.

[bluedreamer]

yeah, i don't indulge in it anymore, enough comes legitimately without adding to it--tears are so close to laughter

[bluedreamer]

anyway, i don't mean laughing callously at suffering, i mean tears and laughter are linked, i remember crying in despair once and my little 8 year old
friend came into the room and flickered the lights on and off and suddenly i laughed and embraced my sweet little friend who brought love and lightness into
that room : )

[bluedreamer]

"Everything human is pathetic. The secret source of humor itself is not joy but sorrow. There is no humor in heaven. "




--Mark Twain