Stalking myself with the help of others

[Blue totem]

By the way, thanks for your replies on my last topic.




So if I understand the meaning of stalking, it goes a little bit like this;




Stalking, in the sorcerer`s world means this;


-To work at a certain goal of spiritual nature, in a spiritual setting.


-To use strategies in the act of self improvement.


-To realise I`m stalking myself as I`m writting this.

[grandspeculator]

To get a clear understanding of the Art of Stalking on the nagual tradition you need to read Castaneda's "The Power of Silence".




Stalking is the ABC of nagual seership. Our sumary on the other tread is a general explanation but not a complete description.




We didn't mention the four moods of stalking, nor the systematic breaking of the routine nor the effects of the practice in time.




It's not all about being a manipulative bastard with spiritual aims: It's about moving the AP beyond the positions of dull normalcy.

[mollymarie]

These quotes may be of help to you blue...


Grand is right you should probably read power of silence to learn more about stalking, fire from within has a lot about it too...







"One of the first concerns of warriors is to free that energy in order
to face the unknown with it," don Juan went on. "The action of rechanneling
that energy is impeccability."
He said that the most effective strategy was worked out by the seers of
the Conquest, the unquestionable masters of stalking. It consists of six
elements that interplay with one another. Five of them are called the
attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, timing, and
will. They pertain to the world of the warrior who is fighting to lose
self-importance. The sixth element, which is perhaps the most important of
all, pertains to the outside world and is called the petty tyrant. ~FFW



"Don Juan stopped talking and stared at me fixedly. There was an awkward
silence; then he started to talk about stalking. He said that it had very
humble and fortuitous origins. It started from an observation the new seers
made that when warriors steadily behave in ways not customary for them, the
unused emanations inside their cocoons begin to glow. And their assemblage
points shift in a mild, harmonious, barely noticeable fashion.
Stimulated by this observation, the new seers began to practice the
systematic control of their behavior. They called this practice the art of
stalking. Don Juan remarked that the name, although objectionable, was
appropriate, because stalking entailed a specific kind of behavior with
people, behavior that could be categorized as surreptitious." -FFW



"Other warriors can learn stalking in their normal awareness, although
it is advisable that they do it in heightened awareness-- not so much
because of the value of heightened awareness, but because it imbues stalking
with a mystery that it doesn't really have; stalking is merely behavior with
people."~FFW



"The purpose of stalking is twofold:
first, to move the assemblage point as steadily and safely as possible, and
nothing can do the job as well as stalking: second, to imprint its
principles at such a deep level that the human inventory is bypassed, as is
the natural reaction of refusing and judging something that may be offensive
to reason."~FFW















"The art of stalking is learning all the quirks of your disguise,"


Belisario said, paying no attention to what don Juan was telling him. "And


it is to learn them so well no one will know you are disguised. For that you


need to be ruthless, cunning, patient, and sweet." ~POS

[Blue totem]

Well I`ve read the power of silence, and I still don`t understand stalking. Someone said that stalking was surreptitious,


whatever that means...




I`ve read all of CC books, but it is very hard to understand. All the concepts are abstract, based on more abstract stuff again.




I feel one has to be a full blown sorcerer to understand the books. I`m a smart guy, and I dont understand alot of the content...




I remember CC criticizing Don Juan for his choice of syntax in his sorcery. So I guess I`m not the only one.

[grandspeculator]

The issue Blue is that nagual sorcery is more about practice than anything. Understanding comes when the AP starts moving to the place of silent knowledge. For
that we need high energy.




Since we don't have a Nagual to give us a back slap the second best option is to get a picture of a Nagual or a Siddha (a perfected master of a yogic
tradition, for instance: Bagawan Nityananda) and ask him, from the bottom of the heart, a blessing (shaktipat).




The shaktipat initiation is the yogic equivalent of the nagual back slap. The yogi transfers his high energy to the disciple to ignite his kundalini and give a
boost to his spiritual practice.

[mollymarie]

Well I`ve read the power of silence, and I still don`t understand stalking. Someone said that stalking was surreptitious,


whatever that means...
surreptitious=stealthy. Stealthy behavior with people.


I'm not sure if your not getting the procedure of stalking or what stalking does.


Have you ever been hunting blue? Stalking oneself is much like that, except you are the predator and the prey.


Very simply put, stalking is learning your behaviors and routines completely. And then using what you have
learned to cut out the routines that are a waste of energy.




hope that helps




love


mollymarie

[Blue totem]

I`ve checked out the meaning of the word surreptitious, I understand it. And yes I have been hunting.




I was aware that stalking was somewhat like hunting. Stalking a pray, tracking a pray, hunting... From my point of view, stalking has a proactive or agressive
conotation. It`s something you do with firm intent. Overall, I think the word ``stalking`` has a American-indian-warrior-hunter flavor to it. Indians where
feared warriors (by the french when thy got to America) and excellent hunters. I thing stalking gets some of it`s meaning from the past Indian ways of life.

[glance left]

Blue,




Do you have any habits you think are superfluous? If so (come on, let's be honest), then let's see if you can come up with a stalking procedure, in
light of your hunting skills, to dismantle that habit. Remember, a hunter knows his prey's routines...isn't that right? You know where/when whatever
you hunt beds or walks or eats..and that is how you catch and kill your prey. Can you dream of a way to apply these very same principles to this habit that you
are thinking about?




Glance

[Blue totem]

The equivalent of stalking, from a psychological standpoint of view, would be; to overcome ancrered behaviors that are non productive. Stalking is the
equivalent of breaking negative internal conditionning paterns... For that you have to observe, understand and analyse yourself (understand the roots of your
behavior), in order to change. Would the self-analyse part be what the sorcerers call stalking?




Anyway I not shure I`m getting the meaning, because someone said that stalking is stealthy. And stealth does not apply in the psychological context of fighting
your inner conditionnings, it`s not relevant.




Sometimes I feel the more definitions I have, the more confused I am.

[glance left]

"Anyway I not shure I`m getting the meaning, because someone said that stalking is stealthy. And stealth does not apply in the psychological context of
fighting your inner conditionnings, it`s not relevant."




I think you're getting hung up on "the letter of the law." The stealth part of the equation applies to stalking yourself in the midst of
others...to be so seamless with it that no one suspects what you are doing. So, in this respect, warriors are perennially at war..engaged in a battle of their
lives...but the outside world need not know a thing about the inward struggle taking place. And that is stealth!




You may be indulging a bit in confusion here, Blue. There comes a time, when learning hunting for instance, when you've heard enough and simply need to go
out in the field and apply what you've learned. Then, the real education takes place...the "leaps and bounds" kind of learning. Again, it may be
propitious to find a habit...one that you KNOW is draining your energy...and apply your intelligence and stalking skills, which you obviously have, to that
habit. Pick your battleground....get rid of everything unnecessary...consider the battle a life and death struggle...make a decision and then relax and abandon
yourself....if you get stuck, retreat briefly and engage something else...compress time/make every instant count!....retreat to the background (stealth!).




The magic occurs when you actually start to apply these principles. Just watch and see what happens!




with pleasure,




Glance

[Blue totem]

Isn`t great to talk to people half way arround the world...




Yeah I`m being insistant (by the way I`ve had success with being insistant...) on the understanding part because this sorcery stuff is very important to me.




It`s a drag when I dont understand the messages and topics because of the vocabulary. I whant to understand because I know the content in CC books is very
real. Most people think it`s fantastic litterature, but it`s not. It`s very real, all of it. In my case I dont have a teacher, I`m in it by my self, no one
arround me knows any of these things.

[mollymarie]

In my case I dont have a teacher, I`m in it by my self, no one arround me knows any of these things.
lol, I think most of us have been in that same position. I didn't have a soul to talk to about this stuff for my first 5 years, not even the
internet to learn from others.


But there comes a point when you realize you don't need any teacher other than spirit. And we all have access to spirit. There is nothing wrong with
wanting to understand. But glance is right, the best way to understand, is to practice this stuff and learn from the experience itself, and not from the words
trying to convey what its all about...

[Blue totem]

Yeah I know there is nothing wrong with wanting to learn, but glance whants to go Don Juan on me...

[glance left]

LOL....Blue. No worries, mate. I'll tone it down My intent is simply to honestly answer questions that you've brought to the forum...and answer them
in the light of what I've personally experienced. I no way am I trying to comandeer or recruit students.




If it helps at all, I will say this. In simply posting your honest questions here, you've been a help to me...honing the more sharpened edge of stalking to
my personal hunt for an ever deepening silence. And for that, I thank you.




With affection,




Glance

[Vrill]

In Fourth Way schools, Stalking would be called Self Remembering. They are similar in so many ways, although the language and terms are all different.




So what is the Assemblage Point exactly? Is that like Chakra energy awareness?




This is how I understand the AP: The AP is naturally in the center of the Solar plexus. Sometimes it get displaced via stress, substance abuse, etc. and
that's a cause of disease, both physical and pschological. It can be reset if displaced by a healer. But we are speaking about an intentional movement of
the AP. How do we do that without messing ourselves up?




If one has cultivated inner Silence in a space in the body over a long period of time, is that pretty much the same thing?




Speaking about teachers ... last month I made a formal request to a venerable Lama to be my root teacher. But, I generally run the other way from such
relationships.


This happened without me "seeking a teacher" per se, but in the course of my pursuit of knowledge, and it was right in front of me, like "uh, I
guess it's time to do this thing".




Prior to that I did not have that kind of relationship with a specific teacher, but I studied under a number of traditions, and hung with whatever Sangha I
could find.


It's best to find a Sangha (spiritual community) first, then the teacher second. You have to hang out with the Sangha and discourse with them etc. and
see if you like the people, agree with the teachings, and it's right for you. People go looking for "the Perfect Master" but that doesn't
work at all. Since, wherever you go, you only find "yourself".

[glance left]

" Since, wherever you go, you only find "yourself". "




LOL....!BAM! I like this finish, Vrill. Apropos. And if "wherever you go, you only find 'yourself' ", then are these discreet positions of
the assemblage point really discreet places? Are they really discreet positions, for that matter? Or is this part of the confusion brought about by the notion
of separate-ness? Following the last bit, here...and with respect to what Lujan has seen from his sessions in seeing....or with respect to what I've seen
in sessions of seeing...is there any such thing, really, as the assemblage point? I've seen luminous balls of energy replace people in these sessions.
I've never seen the assemblage point.




What I'm getting at is what happens in that last moment in the "life" of a warrior when he/she burns with the fire from within. The description
is that the whole luminous shell becomes enflamed with awareness...that the assemblage point moves across all of them in a blaze, aligning them all in one fell
swoop. Is this what really happens...or is what really happens that "the truth" is uncovered once and for all...and the dream of the assemblage point
is awakened from and the illusion of our boundaries of awareness are erased?

[Blue totem]

To Vrill




To find the assemblage point; you have to take a point in between the shoulder blades in the back, and then ad one arms length toward the back, and that should
be the location. That how its described by Don Juan.

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All gestures being dropped into a pool of emptiness will reveal the abstract that does not bind or reconnect with that which was and will only connect to that
which is. This is the doorway that all shamans seek."


- Lujan Matus

[glance left]

Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes!........the fluid doors that open multi-laterally....the "honey in the honeycomb" as a dear warrior once said!

[Blue totem]

Thanks for your comment Lujan. But if you could clarify the meaning a little bit it would be great.

[ARNWAY]

Like what Lone Wolf said "Stalking What Is Stalking You".




The art of stalking is stalking the F.E. or I.B. that tries to anchor your A.P. to a fixed position that keeps you pinned with your perception to the point
where you are helpless and by being aware of the manifestation of the forces that anchor our awareness you can act outside of there control to let your
assemblage point of awareness free to see energy as it really is.




You can do this while dreaming or in your normal waking hours of life.




The secret is dealing with all the Inorganic Beings that try and bid for your attention so that you can perceive the world without there involvement.




I can go into great detail of my own warriors tale of this subject.

[Guest]

Blue totem wrote:

Thanks for your comment Lujan. But if you could clarify the meaning a little bit it would be great.








Stalking is something that is realized. Via this premise there is nothing done or to be done.


It is in essence, when written in word form, realizations that correspond to the consciousness of the perceiver. If this doesn't say anything, it is of
value. Even though it has value in terms of the one who has spoken within the premise of their realizations.




Stalking enhances and is not an activity that has stealth. It is perceived to be stealth via the inaccessibility of the one who moves gently from one position
to another without being seen.

[ARNWAY]

I agree with you Lujan.
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When one realizes that something is manifested someone must act am I wrong?




Its so hard to tell what you are really saying because your words are very abstract with something that is so much of importance that I have to read your post
over and over again and I'm still confused.

[DesmondBanner]

"I have to read your post over and over again and I'm still confused" - Arnway




Perhaps it is the directness? I think i read his post 10 times before i could move on HAHAHAHA. There is always a gem.

[Guest]

ARNWAY wrote:

I agree with you Lujan.


Its so hard to tell what you are really saying because your words are very abstract with something that is so much of importance that I have to read your
post over and over again and I'm still confused.




Procedures entrap. Realizations release the boundaries that are the entrapment of the mind.




You agree yet don't understand. It is best not to understand. It is best just to be.




Stalking enhances and is not an activity that has stealth. It is perceived to be stealth via the inaccessibility of the one who moves gently from one position
to another without being seen.