Logic Bomb

[Littlepaw]

Dear players,
Something I have been pondering for a long time is how to point out to people that the things they say  make no sense.  We live in a modern rational society were up is up and down is down, left is left, right is right right?  Black is black, white is white and mystery's are reserved for fiction novels.  But beneath the surface something is forever bursting through, something that has no place in a modern rational society. 
What reminded me of this was a lone in a film I was watching, the evil queen is lying on a bed with her eyes covered and to her servants she sais '' I can feel you smiling'' Can you feel someone smiling?  which of the five senses is that?  what else might one feel?  and how does any of this fit with the western world view?   How much of me,  I wonder now, is a product of my social conditioning?   and what can I do to reveal my social conditioning for what is really is? 
Pondering regards,
Lea.

[dreamgirl]

Littlepaw,



Nice post. You have seen what blocks us from experiences of the nagual, that magical flow of energy that is just under the surface, and is for our using if we gather enough power and understanding to use it. What blocks us for the most part is duality, like you said black is black, white is white. It is hard to talk about just where we find this "program" of duality, but I believe we should look to our heart, or rather our heart chakra, for lying over this area is this program of duality. This is why, I believe, that the mystics and masters were pointing to this area, this is why Don Juan Matus tells us to follow a path with heart.



The best way to point this out to others is to call it intuition, or simply say that it is listening to your soul. I teach intuitive based process arts, by painting without a goal in mind, I teach my students to listen to this small little voice within, then bring it out in the painting, to be led and let it happen without worrying that it is irrational, or ugly, or scary. The internal dialog within a lot of my students is so strong that it takes a long time for them to be able to do it, if ever.



That feeling of it having no place in modern rational society is something we must try to change. I believe the shift over into the Age of Aquarius is going to make this imperative for us. If you think the depression rates, suicide rates and violent crimes were bad before....well look out, I feel it is only going to get worse.



Don't worry about how much of you is a product of social conditioning, just become aware of it, know it is there, and work to keep seeing through it, you have already done the hardest thing, seeing it for what it is. To deepen your awareness of this force within, use tools like automatic writing, meditation, art making like I described above, heck, even reading tarot cards, runes, throwing the I-Ching, is great for working on this area. Choose what you do based on your interests and predilection. Also, Mornings Son made an interesting post about the Force, I was just reading it yesterday, you will find lots in this posting of his.



You are already there Lea, I sense that you are being called to teach others about this force within and that is why you are pondering it.



Warmest Regards, Dreamgirl

[dreamgirl]

Mornings Sons post in in Modern Nagualism part of the forum, entitled Using the Force

[Littlepaw]

Dear Dreamgirl,



Thanks for your warm reply. I love the sound of your classes, sounds fun. I used to play a game with a friend where we would both draw a head on a piece of paper, fold the paper so the head is no longer visible. Then, pass the paper, each draw a body so on and legs. We had some interesting results to say the least but I like your I idea of having no framework at all and seeing what comes up, where are are my pencils? I

often find myself drawing spirals!



On another note one thing I have found very profound started with a body movement class I stumbled upon by accident. I literally while walking around a field one evening came across some moving shapes in the dark. I assumed they were actors from a local acting school doing some weird play and walked on but i went back to inquire what they were doing and found out it was a movement class called Shintaido which is Chinese for new body way. It would be lengthy to explain the class in detail but the results really have had a huge impact on my life. I realized that i had pretty much ignored my body for years and must have been living just in my head! Apart from just being good exercise with bits of yoga and Pilates thrown in for good measure the class began to have very quickly a transcendental feel about it, not to mention the amazing people who i stumbled on to that first night.



I saw the post on the force and liked it. I have often thought about calling myself a Jedi as a joke or really just to avoid telling people what i really believe although i don't think i am going to have that problem anymore. take care Dreamgirl, nice to find out some things about you : )



Warmest regards,





Little paw.

[spacecrusader]

two young vibrant men gave me a lesson in dreaming last night . i kinda asked for one, like i was confronted with one of the oriental masters of old found upon my way.

the first little master tried was a wrist lock , of which he did not have sufficient strength to pull it off , the second little master ,

threw a green pebble size rock at my chest a few times .

I thanked him for the lesson .

The green at the heart . it all seems to be perfect in this light , at the time i had not fully comprehended his measure of the situation.

[dreamgirl]

Little Paw, that game you used to play is called Exquisite Corpse, it is one of my favorite things.



spacecrusader, what a beautiful dream.

[glance left]

"Exquisite Corpse" lol! I like that name. Interesting the sickening sweet smell of decay. Sickening on the one hand, the harsh remeoval of the form of what we've identified with for so long...sweet in the release from that very same thing, when it no longer serves.

[Littlepaw]

Space Crusader,



I use a Dreaming guide given to me by someone I trust. I suppose I will give you the the bits which are relevant to your dream and let YOU decide weather it has any value for YOU. I can say that the guide works for me.





Can’t move/Moving difficult      =     Being stuck in a view of the

world/social conditioning



Arms    =      Idealism, Desire, Goal Orientation



Joints   =     Fluidity



Green    =     Healing





Cant find anything for stones but closest is



Earth/Soil     =      Desire for Strength, Stability/

Lack of



Did the teacher throw three times?





3      =      Creativity & joy/Lack of. Symbol of

mixed abundance, i.e. both good and bad





Chest      =      Honesty/Lack of




 
The symbols used and their interpretations is merely a guide, and only a
guide!
Let me know if this was useful or not.



Warm regards,



Paw paw

[spacecrusader]

Hi Littlepaw ,

thanks ,

yes put it all together and that is exactly what it looked like in motion : )

And the possibility even exists that the characters found within , are even within this thread , who knows ..............

things can be funny like that.

[spacecrusader]

and he may well have thrown three times also for the record. : )
I might add , to me as it was in the context of martial movement , i interpreted in a general sense movement altogether in fluid motion as symbolised by the heart in the demonstration .
as strength alone was not sufficient as a component to move me.
A beautiful canvas i thought .

[Littlepaw]

I forgot to add something about dream character which I never knew but have used to my own satisfaction as truthfulness



That is to



Regard unknown or unseen presences in a dream as a

stranger, or if he or she feels very familiar to you, then regard

him or her as your own dreamer, or an aspect of yourself.



I find it easy now to identify characters in dreams as either aspects of my own dreamer or like in one of my most epic dreams foreign elements. i once encountered a being that pretended to be people i knew so as to scare me, I could feel its foreign presence and was glad when it finally had gone. That one has come after me a few times. Another time I saw these mythical animals that were as far as I can tell real beings, far off in a field near some woods, it was an exciting time and i didn't get too close. Other times i dream of people I know but can tell right away that they are my own inner version of that person. I sometimes wonder about how much of people we know in daily life are our own inner idea of who that person is as opposed to what they really might be ; )

[spacecrusader]

I know what you mean , this archetypal images . and there is a lot in your post other than that too.

And sometimes we can get pieces of information regarding parts of ourselves and even others .

Like find information arrive in non linear sequential timelines , like a loosely held jigsaw puzzle that finds itself come together in awe.

I tend towards the idea that nothing is inconsequential , everything arrives to be seen loosely , and loosely magic happens. our opportunities of chance.

We are weavers catching a glimpse yes.

[Littlepaw]

yes I think I know what you mean. The whole dream is clear and means everything but at the same time you re member it and wonder what the hell it all means. I suppose left side awareness will never be right side awareness.

[Cedar Waxwing]

I sometimes wonder about how much of people we know in daily life are our own inner idea of who that person is as opposed to what they really might be ; )That is very interesting.  Had not thought of just how that might be carried over into dreaming.

[Littlepaw]

I actually found out the reality of this via taking drugs which I do not recommend. I suppose people will do what ever people do but I suppose this all started for me by realizing that my awareness has an effect on other peoples actions. I think that it may be a part of social conditioning to believe that what we do internally has no effect on others but that is not true.



I was once waiting in a line to buy a beer at a music festival. I was near the dance tent and it was early evening. I am usually quite warm to people so when a guy near me turned to me to talk I was all smiles and open. Right away i could see that this guy was not all smiles and the potential was for him to be violent towards me. I realized my mistake in assuming this person was going to be friendly just because that was how I was being. I was disappointed. That is when I employed a change of behavior. This change of behavior is possible because behavior is not how I thought it was. Actually we are able to perform three actions with people. We can either reflect their behavior, absorb behavior or block behavior. This only makes sense when considering that we are not all separate and that it is the alignment of perception within two people that interacts determining the course of actions taken. This guy did not know this and at the time neither did I but what I decided was that I no longer wanted to participate in this intersection so I blocked this persons behavior. i was surprised because he just stopped in his tracks and left me alone. It is because I was no longer willing to engage with person that he became unable to engage with me. This is true all the time. Just like it is true that we close our selves off from perceiving the greater whole of what is possible to be perceived we are by the same token open in the first place to everything that comes our way in life. People complain about how they are treated by this person or that but they do not understand that this behavior is merely a consequence of their own behavior.



It would be easy to think that because a person knows how to block behavior he is in a better position, putting a stop to all those unwanted interactions but as it is hopefully clear to see blocking behavior is nothing more than non participation. You may find as I did that non participation leads to a very small view of the world. As in my case i did not like to deal with anything beyond my comfort zone so the world became the smallest place possible, the world of the known! Taking in to account all that I know you can imagine what a small world that would be. It is by being open that we are led to new and wonderful experiences and where we learn to navigate the playing field of life. It is by reflection of behavior that we are able to see ourselves truly. A significant fraction of the human body is water and when the surface is still that water reflects.

[dreamgirl]

Littlepaw, I am still intrigued by that movement class you spoke of. Stumbling upon it like you did is an awesome sign of your power. I hope you are still practicing it.



Thanks for your last post about blocking behavior, and it ultimate consequences, it is something that I needed to hear today. I had just thought of doing this very thing to some family members that keep repeating some very hurtful behavior to me.(Mother and my sisters). I won't go into details, but your post made me think of the situation in a different light.

[Littlepaw]

I commend you for having the courage to see your problems in a different light in order to work through them rather than just **** and complain like it would no doubt be easier or perhaps temporarily satisfying to do.



My real challenge at the moment is facing up to how things are as opposed to how I would like them to be.

[Guest]