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Stalking the Foreign Installation
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It has come to my attention that humans quite often do not fully understand the difference between the foreign installation and what are commonly called "flyers". And yet, for every warrior who seeks to embrace freedom beyond the eagle, it is vitually important to comprehend the forces at work which will attempt to thwart your evolution at some point and, in reality, at EVERY point.
The best way to understand the foreign installation might be to think of it as Jung's "collective unconscious" - essentially the hive mind of humanity at large, the shared belief systems and cultural/social foundations which make up what you think of as "the normal assemblage point of humanity." The truth is that this "normal" assemblage point of humanity is actually one of the most ABnormal assemblage points in the natural kingdom, because it is utterly and absolutely false when one really begins to examine it.
Why is this so? Is it sinister? Is there some alien force known as "the flyers" at work?
No.
The "normal assemblage point of Man" is what it is because it represents the lowest common denominator of human experience and human beliefs. The hive exists not because it is right or wrong, but simply because it is the commonly SHARED foundation of the majority of human beings, and so it has "settled" into the mind/body/spirit of the species. The fact that it has become "second nature" doesn't mean it is natural at all.
What IS it? It is cultural and social gravity. If viewed as gravity, it becomes easier to visualize the thing itself. Think of all the combined/shared belief systems of humanity at their most fundamental level: "fire is hot, water is wet, all things die, the sky is blue, blood is red..." and so on. All of these beliefs actually "orbit" the collective hive of Man, making up his most fundamental beliefs and providing him with conclusions which may or may NOT be the least bit accurate. In most cases, the foreign installation hands out easy answers, much like a parent trying to tell a young child about the birds and the bees. In reality, birds and bees have nothing to do with human reproduction anymore than telling a child that "grandma went to heaven to be with god" has anything to do with human spirituality. Easy answers. That's the stock in trade of the foreign installation. It keeps humans complacent and provides them with a social/cultural/spiritual structure under which they can operate. The fact that their foundation is written on water is entirely irrelevant, because the majority of humans will never question it, never realize it, and therefore never move beyond its comforting confines. Everything is a choice, and that is THEIR choice.
Where do the flyers come in? Simply put, the flyers described in Castaneda's work are nothing more than shadows created by fear. So many warriors fear the flyers are eating their awareness, or draining their energy, when the actuality is that the warrior's fear creates the reality in which the warrior is losing awareness and energy - not because any extant flyer is nibbling away at the fringes of his energy, but because his BELIEF that it is happening creates the reality wherein it IS happening.
So is there a flyer, whether it existed before or after one creates it? No. It is an imagined fear, manifested, which does not exist as an extant being unto itself. Put another way, if there were no humans on earth, there would be no flyers. The flyers are transient tulpas, energetic manifestations created by thought and, especially, by fear.
As the warrior moves through his daily life, it's important to truly grasp these things, because until that occurs, the warrior has been programmed (moreso than even the ordinary humans with whom s/he shares the planet) to think s/he is being consumed by flyers and controlled by the foreign installation. But while both exist within the realm of possibility, NEITHER can be forced to go through the motions of actually occurring UNLESS the warrior relinquihes his awareness and surrenders to fear or false belief.
I had thought this was obvious to all serious warriors, but recent dialogs have proven otherwise.  Clearly, this is my personal opinion.  Not seeking agreement or argument.  Just putting some additional knowledge into the blender.  Yes, this is much simplified, but hopefully adequate to stimulate one's own thought processes. 
QS
Originally posted at The Sorcerer's World
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#2
Yes, it is a very romantic idea to avoid the practical life, the FI and Flyers, however, the relavant account is presented here:



aka "They have specialized at milking us."



Encounters With The Nagual: Part 2 - Chapter 26. Predators Of Awareness



http://www.aquakeys.com/t...6-predators-of-awareness



Armanda/Carlitos is right..
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#3
scout1 wrote:

Yes, it is a very romantic idea to avoid the practical life, the FI and Flyers, however, the relavant account is presented here:
aka "They have specialized at milking us."
Encounters With The Nagual: Part 2 - Chapter 26. Predators Of Awareness
http://www.aquakeys.com/t...6-predators-of-awareness
Armanda/Carlitos is right..People need to believe in monsters and aliens.  It frees them from having to face the reality:  the only demons and obstacles are those we create and those we seek out.
You seem to be seeking out demons on the one side, and saviours on the other (Carlitos vs. the flyers, or Armanda vs. the Foreign Installation.)  As long as you engage in that kind of taking up of sides (dualisms), you doom yourself to live them.
Have a nice time.
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#4
Yeah.. Nagualism ? Beyond dualism..
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#5
QS: so you say these "flyers" here are merely tulpas (thought-forms), i.e. negative thought-forms, fears etc. and phamtoms. right ?
Thats a reasonable attitude, i.e. not to loose time and energy with whatever Flyers there are, tulpas, phantoms, fears or whatever entities.
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#6
Whatever they are, understanding what they are is not a mere lost of time. How can you fight what you do not know?



Have you also thought that before the final freedom from them, it could be possible to stalk them using in a not direct way their own power?
A question for Quantum...you seems to give a precise interpretation of the book of CC. You states that
You seem to be seeking out demons on the one side, and saviours on the
other (Carlitos vs. the flyers, or Armanda vs. the Foreign
Installation.)  As long as you engage in that kind of taking up of sides
(dualisms), you doom yourself to live them.
but, as far as I can read and re-read that pages about flyers, it seems to be that what CC said was quite litteral. This doesn't mean that your resoning is not usefull, simply, to me, cannot be universal.
Imagine to face a hungry lion who want to feed of you: you will not loos time to define it as a projection of your dual thought....BUT you could use also your dual thought to escape from him...and survive.
Regards,
The Snake
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#7
Hmmmmm, interesting - there has been a lot of snakes in dreaming as of late.



Naga - did you ever think that when you say "Have you also thought that before the final freedom from them, it could be possible to stalk them using in a not direct way their own power?" that it is actually the FI keeping you trapped in its grips. Having you believe that it is you that is benefiting but in all actuality, it is the FI keeping its connection. I feel, once you are aware of the FI and able to rid yourself of the FI, you should go ahead and rid yourself of the FI. It is a very evolved energeitc parasite willing to trick you into believing you are stalking their power.
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#8
not so evolved instead...if it cannot suck you if you stay with an umbending purpose...or intent...or behaviour (referring to CC book)...and this is a great think because if they should one day taste good straight intent...maybe all human kind will be doomed.



even the idea that the only way to get out of them and have "control" could be not to consider them directly...could be their own strategy... :-)



but this is not the point...until you do not develop your own way to perceive foreign control over yourself, any reasoning about it could be barely a way to feed foreign **** as well, whaterver these thoughts say...
PS...why not to stalk them? Are we so weak not to be able to be one day parasite of our parasite? Not to get back what they have sucked from us during millennia? evolution has always a lot of possible output...these are only simple reflections about an argument which is always, when discussed, far away from the practical perception....
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#9
Yes indeed Naga - when discussed we are providing awareness for them. That is why we should just shed them....we do not need those insects. We are not weak, we are strong.....most of us that seek these forums.
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#10
good points Naga. thanks

turn the table
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#11
not revenge, but maybe take back energy...imagine what you could do with that amount of energy that constantly they drain out from us.



I wonder why some other seers...not toltec, never talked about them....IF they are not so difficult to be seen.



As far as i know, in terms talked by CC, there are no other references in other books, theories..."paths"....
I wondered also about the reason for which ancient sorcerers didn't develop some kind of usage of the energy of the foreign installation. But maybe the answer is very simple: they wanted power,..and power come better from inorganics of other words than from some kind of inorganic parasite...there should be some practical reason, is it? ;-)
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#12
The energy we take from the FI is our energy in the first place. We are truly powerful when we are the totality of ourselves.....
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#13
I agree with Dan, they control us, take our energy and feed off our coats of awareness leaving us naked and powerless in the world.
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#14
Of course. Thus my previous question has been wrongly conceived: maybe ancient sorc.s did it. The fact that, as it seems, they did't indulge in some techniques about FI could be related to the fact that the wiping out of the FI from a sorceror patrh is the first and basic step.... stop the internal dialogue and *** them out step by steps in most cases
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#15
quantumshaman wroteConfusedcout1 wrote:

Yes, it is a very romantic idea to avoid the practical life, the FI and Flyers, however, the relavant account is presented here:
aka "They have specialized at milking us."
Encounters With The Nagual: Part 2 - Chapter 26. Predators Of Awareness
http://www.aquakeys.com/t...6-predators-of-awareness
Armanda/Carlitos is right..People need to believe in monsters and aliens.  It frees them from having to face the reality:  the only demons and obstacles are those we create and those we seek out.
  I guess im doing this as well as i specified in another thread.Why would we seek out demons and obstacles? Do we fear our own trueselves or our own power. I never signed up for that. I came into this world with my own power and I never agreed to give it away, yet that is what I have done, now I have to reclaim it.
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#16
the more I think about this the more I agree with this.Im more interested in finding some scary story about how humans were created, and thats just what I look for and find.
http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/5808/Terr ... anet-Earth
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#17
I am Billy.  I am going to share ideas.  By REASON I have relatively mastered dedatchment.  Ayn Rand on in REASON in "Objectivism" (by Peikoff) was helpful for early clarity.  This clarity via Carlos Castaneda provided a way to unlearn social conditioning.  I went to all the good places including nirvana.  I 'willingly' went to all the horrid places in this order--despair--dark night of soul--emptiness.  The proper platform to live is emptiness.  This is the place beyond polarization AND flyers.  I describe how the world is caught in 'oughtness.'  When discussing as here we are saying what ought and ought not.  It is important to understand Don Juan Matus controlled folly.  WE PRETEND HERE!    Yet example, using Einsteins observations of elements being both particles and waves we have a fuller explanation of phenomenon.  This is why the dialogue is not polarity.

Here is the starting point.  Not only do you have to reach emptiness so that ought and 'ought not' are meaningless, but that is IS at all is also meaningless, and I mean in this way>   IT NEVER HAD TO BE!  It IS, but has no neccesity. 
  If you want to 'learn' you can ask me questions.   YES I have a big ego (but even greater awareness that I PLAY-- I keep this sharp by 'exercising shame' in privacy> a tendency to isolation and imitating negation.)  I can explain how to free your stores of energy.  It really is amazing what I have to share that is doable.
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