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I was recently asked... Why do we need to break out of the program? For starters, as long as we are operating within its limits, evolution is impossible, because personal evolution is not part OF the program -- i.e., the established belief system allows for essentially one of three alternatives: 1) any established religion; or 2)atheism; or 3)molecular regeneration. Any of those belief systems are accepted inside the box. Anything other than that would be considered, essentially "hocus pocus" or completely insane. The program labels those who are "insane" as, essentially, those who do not find themselves in agreement with the program. And, again, fear raises its ugly head. We are afraid of the label "insanity", and so we hoist ourselves back in line with the program - at least insofar as we discuss publicly. Thus, fear holds us captive to the program. What we gain by breaking the program is coming to see that we are not "insane" at all, but instead it is the world that has gone mad and the lunatics are running the asylum. Certain new age "teachers" always squawk when I say that, because their naive opinion is that the "lunatics" are innocent, ignorant sheep who know not what they do. Personally, I don't care if they know it or not. It is, even by THEIR definition, insane to go through the motions of "a normal life", knowing all the while that it ultimately means nothing when all is said and done.
And now we come to those unpopular ideas that can cause even warriors to start singing Mary Had A Little Lamb, jamming their fingers in their ears, and pretending not to hear. This is the part of the road we come to where we desperately WANT to go back to Ixtlan, but where we realize that it is only a phantom city inhabited by hollow-eyed zombies, yet it is a city we have defended all our lives, a city we have loved, the only city we have ever known. And we're scared to death of leaving it!
What do we have to gain by breaking out of the program? Absolutely nothing... except a glimpse of freedom. We have everything to lose, of course. Family. Friends. Comfortable beliefs. Even a self-identity we might have believed real all our lives. But it's worth it, that single glimpse of freedom -- to know there is a foundation above and beyond all this lunacy where all the role-playing games are stripped away and we lay our souls bare to find our double standing whole and pure in the third attention -- the perfected self we have created through our dreaming, the self we will inhabit into eternity, beyond the eagle's reach.
New age bullshit? Nope. I've been there. I've inhabited that double which is actually the self made whole into eternity, and believe me, I was loathe to come back to the asylum. But... there's still work to be done, fragments to be gathered, songs to be sung, and fires to be lit in the spirit so the heart can find its way back home to that place in the third attention from whence it came in the first place.
Yes, it's all a quantum paradox, but that's the delight of it -- when it all starts to make sense. All I can do now is spin a web of words, trying to form a net in which to capture the essence of freedom, but my words will never be enough. And, ironically, how would one capture freedom?
What do we gain by breaking the program? We find ourselves face to face with the answer to the first question: who am I? As long as the program is in effect, there is no possible answer to that question, for we are only the program manifested, fragmentary selves, false personalities, phantoms wearing our own face. But once the program falls, we turn and face the double, who begins whispering in our ear about the right way to live, the path of heart, the assimilation of cohesion.
Follow the yellow brick road, knowing all the while that the red slippers can take you home anytime. That's intent.
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QS dont forget that unless one becomes a warrior, "Castaneda" is still a program too.
So it is warriorism what should be the emergent issue.
"The flyers control us through our traditions and customs. They are the masters of religion,
the creators of history. We hear their voice on the radio and we read their ideas in the
newspapers. They manage all our means of information, and our belief systems. Their
strategy is magnificent. For example, there was an honest man who spoke of love and
freedom; they have transformed it into self-pity and servility. They do it with everyone, even
with naguals. For that reason, the work of a sorcerer is solitary.
"For millennia, flyers have concocted plans to collectivize us. There was a time when they
became so shameless that they were even seen in public, and people made representations of
them in stone. Those were dark times; they were everywhere. But now their strategy has
become so intelligent that we don't even know they exist. In the past, they hooked us through
our credulity, today, through our materialism. They are responsible for modern man's
ambition not to have to think for himself; just observe how long somebody will tolerate
silence!"
"Why the change in their strategy?"
"Because, at this time, they are running a great risk. Humanity is in very quick and constant
contact, and information can reach anyone. Either they must fill our heads, bombarding us day
and night with all kind of suggestions, or there will be some who will realize and warn the
others."
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CI5 wrote:
QS dont forget that unless one becomes a warrior, "Castaneda" is still a program too.
So it is warriorism what should be the emergent issue.
"The flyers control us through our traditions and customs. They are the masters of religion,
the creators of history. We hear their voice on the radio and we read their ideas in the
newspapers. They manage all our means of information, and our belief systems. Their
strategy is magnificent. For example, there was an honest man who spoke of love and
freedom; they have transformed it into self-pity and servility. They do it with everyone, even
with naguals. For that reason, the work of a sorcerer is solitary.
"For millennia, flyers have concocted plans to collectivize us. There was a time when they
became so shameless that they were even seen in public, and people made representations of
them in stone. Those were dark times; they were everywhere. But now their strategy has
become so intelligent that we don't even know they exist. In the past, they hooked us through
our credulity, today, through our materialism. They are responsible for modern man's
ambition not to have to think for himself; just observe how long somebody will tolerate
silence!"
"Why the change in their strategy?"
"Because, at this time, they are running a great risk. Humanity is in very quick and constant
contact, and information can reach anyone. Either they must fill our heads, bombarding us day
and night with all kind of suggestions, or there will be some who will realize and warn the
others."
I didn't mention Castaneda in my post. I don't need to. Do you?
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this is reading and thinking about action, and not doing the action. hence people do it or not. and if they do, they enjoy life, if not, they are frustrated.
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CI5 wrote:
this is reading and thinking about action, and not doing the action. hence people do it or not. and if they do, they enjoy life, if not, they are frustrated.
Sure - all very true. So if this is all just talking about action... why do you talk so much? LOL. I'm not being mean, just wondering what your agenda is, since you are posting under at least 3 separate accounts. What is the message you are so desperate to convey, and why do you think anyone cares? Is it just your controlled folly, as it is for me? I've created, manifested and inhabited my double. So I'm essentially in the phase known to warriors as "waiting." What's YOUR story? I'm more interested in YOU than in all the jabber about Castaneda. Who are you?
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quantumshaman wrote: that place in the third attention from whence it came in the first place.
Yes, it's all a quantum paradox, but that's the delight of it -- when it all starts to make sense. All I can do now is spin a web of words, trying to form a net in which to capture the essence of freedom, but my words will never be enough. And, ironically, how would one capture freedom?
How would one capture Freedom? I liked that anti image
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QS: there is also the Rule as blueprint.. and it gives sense to warriors. i am proponent of new seers as our true nature.
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agreement is very easy, a single point: our original nature and potential. the (human) values are the same.
the definition is full development, but on a reality basis, not individual opinion. individual is forming it individually.
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QS: i am scientist. phenomenologist. in a field that my teacher (CC) has endorsed.
the exact conclusion is that new seers are pratyeka-buddha class. (pratyeka means = private buddha)
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CI5 wrote:
QS: i am scientist. phenomenologist. in a field that my teacher (CC) has endorsed.
the exact conclusion is that new seers are pratyeka-buddha class. (pratyeka means = private buddha)So what?
I'm still not sure what your agenda is, nor why you find it necessary to post under so many different accounts. One minute, you're denouncing Tensegrity as essentially being of the devil. Next minute, you're practicing Tensegrity again. One minute, you're denouncing Castaneda as the devil himself, next minute, you're claiming him as your teacher.
Do you even know WHO you are? Doesn't matter what you are (scientist, baker, banker, lawyer, janitor). So your telling me what you do really has no impact whatsoever. I could tell you I'm a brain surgeon, but if my hands shake, it's all just words in the wind.
I'm only on your case about this because you yourself ASKED me to be on your case. Your "cohesion" is all over the place - and if YOU don't know who you are, if you can't GATHER your thoughts and present them logically... what is your agenda? No one can have a rational or even magickal conversation with a ping pong ball.
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QS: Message, not the medium. You are looking at the medium, not at message. Look up pls what is phenomenology and hermeneutics. this is my method. I am pro new seers, pro-freedom. 100 %. If you dont understand Castaneda or Tensegrity... i understand it very well. you can completely disregard all my posts if you dont understand it.. but in this case take the time to study the highest buddhist teachings pls. on the Emptiness (Nagual is this Emptiness, You dont know it ?), Basis of the Universe/Clear Light of consciousness.i see the Death. But BASIS has the upper hand, because it is the "TruthBody" = Dharmakaya, have a look what is Dharmakaya - it is the Basis. The Eagle is subject to it.
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QS: black is not white.
death and cause and effect in energy/intent terms: there is general agreement. but the origination of beings is another point, as well as "darkness" and "light", like the "black" and "white". black energy is not white energy... and this is the argument.
Flyers, Los Volarodes, non-shining IBs...
You should know better QS. Otherwise read the post above, i wont argue with you more in this thread.
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You're not arguing with me. You're arguing with yourself. Under at least 2 or 3 separate avatars. Amusing, actually.
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QS- he's gone.......for good
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Thanks for the info, Delewaredan. I had hoped he would manage to pull himself together - but instead he only continued to fragment into more and more alternyms. Unfortunate. This path seems to have that effect on a lot of people - as if the energies involved as such that if one cannot assimilate a new paradigm, one ends up scattered all over the place.
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Yea - the FI digs in deep once someone has a glimpse of freedom. It takes an impeccable warrior to stay on the path with heart.
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Scout1 certainly a enigma but his spamming became tiresome. STaying on the path with heart is always a test. The flyers, the stalkers, the ones who who have nothing, they will stalk you. Try and make you like them. Offer then refuse. Never hold your hand out unless its to one that is pure of heart.
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Sustained silence/intensity with hints of optimism...abstract affection not reserved for anything in particular. Just staying on that threshold, redirecting to that position over and over...standing our ground. Simple and intense and clear. Direct awareness. The sun. It doesn't take forever to see why it's worth it. Just a little while until energy ignites and then the value becomes self evident.
Fruit of our labor...from Tree of Life
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i spent half my youth asking why?, the other half asking how? then as an adult who ? who am I.. followed by.. who told you who you are ? what told you why you are you? how many feed into the same old narrative. we are given theses 5W's that make the narratives the experiences in life and perhaps more place emphasis on one or the other. The Who, The What, The Why, The When,The Where and least explored...The How.
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