Losing the Human Form & the Foreign Installation

[quantumshaman]

This post initially appeared at THE SORCERER'S WORLD (my forum), in response to a question asked by a seeker about the correlation between the foreign installation and losing the human form.  The response is from my double, Orlando, and seeing as how I've received a few recent PMs asking about this same subject, seemed appropriate to repost this here. 

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What must be understood is that the foreign installation is all-pervsive, in the sense that one is not free of it until one is free of it. There are no halfway measures. One is not free of it today and consumed by it again tomorrow. To one who sees, this is an inescapable truth, and it is why the battle to free oneself from the foreign installation is often a difficult one. The old human cliche - can't have your cake and eat it, too - comes to mind. One cannot uphold *some* of the agreement without being subject to the weight of the *whole* agreement. Put simply: one is either free of the dictates of the foreign installation, or one isn't. There is no middle ground, other than awareness, and even that is not sufficient to dispel the effects of the foreign installation for those who might choose to attempt to uphold *some* of its agreements.

It is also important to understand that for as long as one is in humanform, the foreign installation is in effect, which is why warriors struggle with the idea of losing the humanform - for ONLY when that is done can one be truly free of the influence of the FI... and even so, even after losing the humanform, the warrior's commitment to *maintaining* her new awareness is really the only "freedom" one has.

So when you ask if humans can get past the foreign installation, I would say to you that it is possible only with the keenest commitment to one's own awareness, and the diligence to lose the humanform entirely. What I have observed is that there may not be sufficient understanding of what 'losing the humanform' actually means. And so many warriors struggle to 'lose the humanform' based on their own ideas of what that means (ideas which may well be rooted within the foreign installation itself!) rather than laboring from the position of actually *seeing* what is intended by the concept itself.

What is losing the human form? It is the relinquishing of every belief, conclusion or consensus that would bind one to the agreement. And, moreso, it is the shift of the assemblage point to what Carlos has referred to as 'a separate reality'. In essence, those who have lost the humanform no longer have any investment in the agreement, and so the agreement itself becomes blind to them. The foreign installation loses its fix on them, because by definition the foreign installation is a HUMAN construct, and for those who have lost the human form, they are (dare I say the obvious?) no longer human, and therefore no longer subject to the dictates of the foreign installation.

Orlando - December 22, 2008

[scout1]

Orlando, Your double, is using internet too or what ?? :-))

[scout1]

Are You sure QS ??



Can You tell me more about Orlando ? =))

[quantumshaman]

scout1 wrote:
Are You sure QS ??
Can You tell me more about Orlando ? =))http://www.quantumshaman.com/html/mirror.htm
http://www.quantumshaman.com/html/crystal.htm
And, yes, I am sure.

[scout1]

wait a moment, i am asking if Your energy body=your double is using internet ? Is Orlando your energy body or not ? I am interested only in the directly energy body, my double.



i am asking if i should run away from you screaming for mercy QS ! D

[scout1]

This is the end of my life QS =))

[quantumshaman]

scout1 wrote:

wait a moment, i am asking if Your energy body=your double is using internet ? Is Orlando your energy body or not ? I am interested only in the directly energy body, my double.
i am asking if i should run away from you screaming for mercy QS ! D
Orlando is my double.  I will not attempt to label or categorize it beyond that.  When the warrior learns how to open her eyes inside the double, the art of silent knowing becomes a reality instead of just words.  The double is inorganic, a being of energy.  Ergo... The double may be *seen* as the energy or ethereal body, but it is also a great deal more than that, as any quantum sorcerer who has confronted their double already knows. 
Yes, by all means, you should run, screaming.

[Cedar Waxwing]

quantumshaman wrote:
quantamshaman wrote:
  When the warrior learns how to open her eyes inside the double, the art of silent knowing becomes a reality instead of just words.  The double is inorganic, a being of energy.  Ergo... The double may be *seen* as the energy or ethereal body, but it is also a great deal more than that...If a person, not on a warrior path is unaware of the double, can the inorganic draw off their energy and use it for its own agenda through them?  It seems to target and takeover those especially vulnerable.

[quantumshaman]

Cedar Waxwing wrote:
quantumshaman wrote:

quantamshaman wrote:
  When the warrior learns how to open her eyes inside the double, the art of silent knowing becomes a reality instead of just words.  The double is inorganic, a being of energy.  Ergo... The double may be *seen* as the energy or ethereal body, but it is also a great deal more than that...
If a person, not on a warrior path is unaware of the double, can the inorganic draw off their energy and use it for its own agenda through them?  It seems to target and takeover those especially vulnerable.


  
One's own double would have nothing to gain and everything to lose by taking energy from its human source, and the double is not generally in the business of "possession", so I can think of no reason for it to do what you suggest, ever. 
As for someone not on a warrior path... chances are they have not developed a double, or if they have it is at such a rudimentary/infant stage that it might be like a tulpa at best. So I'm sure they would be "vulnerable", but no self-respecting inorganic would be much interested in that kind of energy, if you see what I mean. Empty calories.  Heh.
In general, inorganics have virtually no interest in humans, despite what certain literature would have us believe.  As for the double, I don't categorize it with other "inorganics", even though it is "inorganic" by definition.  It is an energetic projection of the self, and so its agenda would be a reflection of the warrior's - so unless the warrior is an energy vampire, the double is no danger to oneself or to others.

[glance left]

lol! My youngest daughter is sitting on the floor playing some weird game singing to herself.....just caught a couple lines of it...



"Everything....is possible.......everything is situational.....everything is not what you think it iiiiiiiiisssssss!"

[Guest]

glance left wrote:lol! My youngest daughter is sitting on the floor playing some weird game singing to herself.....just caught a couple lines of it...



"Everything....is possible.......everything is situational.....everything is not what you think it iiiiiiiiisssssss!"
My kids used to do that quite a lot when they were younger.  I had a little journal in which I kept their musings.  One time they told me there was a crack in the world!

[glance left]

LOL...that's beautiful, Songbird. "Out of the mouths of babes"

[glance left]

And speak of the devil, since the devil's in the details (and since, in seeking formlessness, I'm feeling that the walls between good and bad, Satan and God perhaps even?...they dissolve)...my youngest again this morning is talking to her breakfast which I over-hear while gathering things together for work. She's addressing her left-over chicken nuggets specifically, saying "Why hello there my precious, delicious chicken nuggets! I love you! You taste so good!!" LOL! I know its Infinity talking through her to anyone who might hear...to itself, saying..."This is the way to formlessness: nagual affection...abstract affection...for the tiniest details that surround us all the time in a constant, streaming river that never stops and is never the same"

[glance left]

I'm utterly convinced that simply laying hold of nagual affection...abstract affection...will effortlessly deliver the warrior to formlessness. The effort is in upholding the connecting link...and that's it. The current itself knows where it is going...and all we have to do is get in the center of it. It's a lonely feeling, at first....leaving the drama of familiar social considerations...all that chirpy disruptive stuff that takes place at the level of the flyer's mind. But the initial loneliness gets replaced by a feeling of friendship that emerges in the midst of this pervasive affection that bathes every little thing that surrounds us all the time. This current is the formless essence which is INSIDE of the presumed solidity of objects....inside the seemingly hard shell. In silence we begin to reach with fingers/fibers of energetic feeling which effortlessly passes through that hard shell.



We just have to get past that initial loneliness and restlessness





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx5NMfbO4G0



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsKgR4hugVw

[Guest]

glance left wrote:I'm utterly convinced that simply laying hold of nagual affection...abstract affection...will effortlessly deliver the warrior to formlessness.  

I agree here, although I wouldn't necessarily say that losing the human form is effortless.   There does happen to be some discomfort involved.

[glance left]

Yes, agree....life is uncomfortable sometimes...especially in the face of reflexive unwillingness to simply let go. Effortless effort, as they say

[Guest]