What the Foreign Installation Is.

[ARNWAY]

It would be nice if Dreamways would chime in on this subject because he is very knowledeable.

[Mornings Son]

Thanks for the knowledge Arnway.




Yes go ahead and give me a friendly stalking ))

[docta lee]

seeitall wrote:

that spine thing is interesting. but if you remember what


DJ said, the only distorted center is in your head


which is ocupied by flyer and which can be seen


as sick pulsating energy. all the **** comes from your head.


The flyers are also depicted as huge heavy creatures, I think


how would they fit in the spine ? seems like only a sort


of attachement , only a part (small?) of flyer mind is in us.
OK seeitall your idea about the flyer being in the head and not the spine does not make sense

Why would it fit in your head and not your spine if it is a large beast or whatever


Really i think the idea of the flyer is whacked out and is a freaky concept created by Carlos himself for his benifit.... SALES FOR HIS LAST BOOK


I dont mean to dis anyone's beliefs i just find the flyer idea to be too silly to be taken serious


Lee

[ARNWAY]

Docta Lee I can understand your scepticism about spooky things about anything anyone writes about and personally don't take for granted by being spoon feed
but from what I know little of you, you have not ventured not very far into the abstract way of perceiving the world the way warriors view the world.




Let me ask you a question----are you a warrior?




Do you just want to inquire about this sort of stuff because you are curious?




Have you done any dreaming knowing that you were dreaming and acted knowing with your will to act or do you just dream as if you were in a movie?




Just asking since you are asking questions also.

[seeitall]

docta lee wrote:


seeitall wrote:

that spine thing is interesting. but if you remember what


DJ said, the only distorted center is in your head


which is ocupied by flyer and which can be seen


as sick pulsating energy. all the **** comes from your head.


The flyers are also depicted as huge heavy creatures, I think


how would they fit in the spine ? seems like only a sort


of attachement , only a part (small?) of flyer mind is in us.
OK seeitall your idea about the flyer being in the head and not the spine does not make sense

Why would it fit in your head and not your spine if it is a large beast or whatever


Really i think the idea of the flyer is whacked out and is a freaky concept created by Carlos himself for his benifit.... SALES FOR HIS LAST BOOK


I dont mean to dis anyone's beliefs i just find the flyer idea to be too silly to be taken serious


Lee



hey , where I did say it fits in head ???


I wrote "seems like only a sort


of attachement , only a PART (SMALL?) of flyer mind is in us"




When I read ASOI for the first time, it was too much for me too. I thought Carlos went bananas.

[ninth octave]

Bob May wrote:




It is very easy to wander away from the subject matter in these threads. The Principles of the workings of our Mind and Reality are so interwoven and
interconnected as to be almost one subject once we get a degree of understanding of these Principles. I first noticed this the first time I read
Casaneda's books, especially Journey to Ixtlan, which in my opinion, wove these separate Principles into a whole tapestry. The tapestry only becomes
apparent through action and thought together. Through getting some philosophy of how the mind works and then by observing the mind working we come face to
face with the Human Dilemma. This dilemma or predicament is part of being human. We, as human beings, can ignore it, as most do, or confront it.


To come face to face with the knowledge of the existence of the Foreign Installation is and always has been one step in the Mystery Schools throughout the
ages.




"Know Thyself" ,... Socrates is famous for arguing that we must Know Thyself to be wise, that the unexamined life is not worth
living.


He also said, "Wise men speak becase they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to say something." But that is another subject.




Just by being on this forum indicates a call to reach above and beyond what others settle for as being important in this life.




Below is an excerp from Paul's writings in his efforts to understand what "makes us tick." He recognises the Principles of Law - His
Philosophy - as being the "means to the end" of knowing himself. In other words, keeping the Law was never the Goal, as he first thought.


Coming to a Realization by trying to keep the Law, (and failing over and over again), is the goal that was Hidden Within the Law from the beginning.


He also by analogy comes to the realization that once this philosophy has brought him to a certain point, it has served the purpose it was created for.


He must then look at it as a hindrance to further progression. He is dead to it and divorced from it.


This does not mean he will go do anything he wants to. It means he has reached the end of himself.


He is no longer under the Law, but under Grace.


This realization IS the purpose of Scripture. To reach this Realization is to be free from the power that the Foreign Installation has over us. Because the
only power it has over us is to Continually point out that we are not living up to our own Principles or Law. (Whatever that Law or set of Principles or
Philosophy we each hold to as our answer to life)


To be free from the Law (again whatever Law we subscribe to) we must "die to ourselves.' I'm not talking physical Death, but a complete
acceptance of our inability to attain the impeccability or perfection that we strive for.


Don Juan said it when he mentioned that a warrior does not concern himself with whether or not he fails.


Paul; said it when he stated, "When I am weak, then am I strong."






Face to Face with the Foreign Installation




Romans 7




1
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he
liveth?


2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is
loosed from the law of her husband.


3
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be
dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.


4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to
him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


5
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto
death.


6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not
in the oldness of the letter.


7
What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except
the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


8
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.


9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


10
And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


11
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.


12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


13
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which
is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.


14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.


15
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.


16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.


17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that
which is good I find not.


19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.


20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.


22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:


23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which
is in my members.


24
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?


25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of
sin.


"Coming to a realization by trying to keep the Law, (and failing over and over again), is the goal that was Hidden Within the Law from the
beginning. He also by analogy comes to the realization that once this philosophy has brought him to a certain point, it has served the purpose it was created
for.


...To be free from the Law ( again whatever Law we subscribe to) we must "die to ourselves." I'm not talking physical Death, but a complete
acceptance from our inability to attain the impeccability or perfection we strive for."...Bob May




There are so many ways to say and experience what ever could be the purpose of the Foreign Installation. But by the adversity that FI brings , the war stops
in someones life when the new nature is birthed inside the heart.


The circumcision of the heart brings a closer more intimate expression of the Spirit that reveals from within and outwardly calls everything to us. (and
liberates us from whatever Law we subscribe to).




Thanks for these certain Realizations and truths that have appeared within this particular groove and thread.


Ninth

[Bob May]

ninth octave wrote:

"There are so many ways to say and experience what ever could be the purpose of the Foreign Installation. But by the adversity that FI brings , the war
stops in someones life when the new nature is birthed inside the heart.


The circumcision of the heart brings a closer more intimate expression of the Spirit that reveals from within and outwardly calls everything to us. (and
liberates us from whatever Law we subscribe to).




Thanks for these certain Realizations and truths that have appeared within this particular groove and thread."


Ninth











Face to Face with the Foreign Installation




Romans 7


1
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he
liveth?


2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is
loosed from the law of her husband.


3
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be
dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.


4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to
him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


5
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto
death.


6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not
in the oldness of the letter.


7
What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except
the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


8
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.


9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


10
And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


11
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.


12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


13
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which
is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.


14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.


15
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.


16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.


17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that
which is good I find not.


19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.


20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


21
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.


22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:


23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which
is in my members.


24
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?


25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of
sin.


Gen:17




3
And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,


4
As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.


5
Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.


6
And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.


7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to
be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.


8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an
everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


9
And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.


10
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be
circumcised.


11
And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.


12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or
bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.


13
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your
flesh for an everlasting covenant.


14
And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
broken my covenant.

Abram was from "Ur of the Chaldees". Or, (Light of the Magicians). In other words he was under a bewitchment from birth.


Abram was told by God to leave everything he knew. His family, friends and country and go into a land he knew not.




This is pure Don Juan philosophy.


"Belief in the unseen" IS Abram.


He is given this Covenant and Promise that he will be circumsised throughout his GENERATIONS.


This is shown by Paul in the New Testament to be ALLEGORY.


Abram believes God and his name is changed to Abraham.


To be circumcised throughout our generations is to have the FLESH removed layer by layer. In this way we are becoming more and more alive (GENERATIONS)


This is a promise of an ongoing gift (Grace) as opposed to an ongoing requirement (Law).




And after the heart is circumcised we can look back at this "Law" and see that it is not a "Law" but a Covenant and a Promise.




We can also take the geneology (again the idea of generations) of Jesus in the book of Matthew as levels of awareness.


Here are a few important ones;


Abram belief in the invisible. (Who's name changes to Abraham, belief in God)


Isaac, Laughter. The joy experienced when we begin to become aware through hearing.


Jacob following after God. Who's name changes to Israel (Power with God or overcoming with God) each time he has a spiritual experience.


Joseph the dreamer and interpreter of dreams. Who went from slave to prisoner to ruler over the known world and saved the entire known world from starvation.


David, Had the awareness that his iniquities were not counted against him,..(An Awareness of Grace)


Joseph of the New Testament. Another dreamer, of course his name is the same = same awareness. Was visited by Gabriel twice in dreams in order to keep Jesus
from being murdered by Herod. Another dream of another Joseph that saves the world.


Jesus, "I and the Father are One"




All awarenesses or levels of consciousness that we can experience, if we continue to let the layers of the onion of flesh fall away.




As Abram, we all start out in "Ur of the Chaldees." Light of the Magicians. Under the spell of those magicians we think we see what is relly going
on, but we do not. We must leave that land to begin to realize there is another, better one.


Who are these magicians? Our parents, our friends, our culture, our world view and everything that contributes to the bewitchment.


Included in that world view is the inability to see the finer realms. Those of the flyer and those of angels and beyond.


Layers upon layers, skins upon skins.




By the way, as one who did leave it all behind for a time I would say that actually physically leaving your home is not necessary. It is the ideas and
ingrained view (our Tonal) that needs to be left. A "changing of our mind" or repentance as John the Baptist called it.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Bob May-I have had many personal messages from members saying you are their favorite poster on these forums. Keep up the good work.


-His Wolfness

[Bob May]

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:

Bob May-I have had many personal messages from members saying you are their favorite poster on these forums. Keep up the good work.


-His Wolfness


Hi Wolf,


That's good to hear. I bet you get some that say I'm their least favorite too.

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Never have received one of those Bflame

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