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Hi All,
I would like to give my opinion on this so called flyer.
CC was a brilliant writer and he gave the world many gifts/tools for a better way to live.
With that being said i feel lthe FOREIGN INSTALLATION is not a separate being or enity, rather an accumulation of all the things we have been taught and conditioned to as kids and then adults.
As humans we are born Ok and then we get molded and judgemental
I think we need to accept that CC started to really believe his own bizzare creations.
I think we need to accept that CC is his later years was masking selfishness and control over his followers with sorcery and that is really really dumb and weak
I may be wrong and i am open to that but it just seems seems that CC put the flyer as such so it would seem more spooky and weird..
To me a human is measured by the acts they do not the words they write and CC apparently hurt alot of people...just something to keep in mind friends.
(edit: changed capitalization of the letters in the title)
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Hello Docta lee and welcome
The world beyond Tonal is weird then going towards alien.
Have you read Toltechie's post on the FI?
There is a lot of gold on the subject
Anyway the concept of FI is useful if you want to deal with 'it' (whatever it might be in the world beyond Tonal)
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Hey , Docta Lee. If you look into Native American belief , as well as other 'pagan' systems , you will find that various items , entities , of this
life are given a personality , such as death. That is why these mental things you list are described as beings. For reasons I think I understand , from my
childhood , it makes sense to me ; that spooks and goblins , creatures from the grave , spirits and animals , speak to me. It's a matter of resonance ,
that may not be for everyone. Or , maybe it's just an old way of discussing things , even teaching children , that works without violence and intellectual
snobbery.
Have a good Halloween/ Samhain
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Yes I was thinking about my post and i suppose this is kind of a retraction.
I feel the FI maybe is a real creature or enity but that concept scares the hell out of me to be honest.
Also i should not have said we need to accept such and such about Carlos
I should have said i need to accept.
Anyways Happy Halloween
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Once one can discover through their internal dialogue the presence of the FI then they will be able to see it in their own eyes.
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I would like to say there is something, which is separate from that which we truly are, that sustains itself on our energy in relation to our lack of conscious
attention.
I agree that this begins with learnt expression, but i feel it pertinent to examine that which one places importance upon. Where our importance lies, is a soft
area, and via this softness we can be consumed via our attachment. We are pressed and this pressure is obvious. Within the pressure our energy seeps. One must
develop detachment, and this can take time. When we do find ourselves detached from that which is considered important, we will be able to see there is another
player involved.
I believe greed and desire for consistent control doesn't end here.
The Illuminati comes to mind. They perhaps call themselves this for a reason, they know things which the general population does not. And i think what they are
aware of is the ability to surreptitiously cause another to leek the most potent thing available to us, which is simply our energy.
I would recommend you read 'The Art of Stalking Parallel Perceptions'. This book has magical qualities via the truth involved. Simply reading the book
will slowly reform the cognitive system, and it is this very process that will allow us the consciousness to create a gap in the constant flow of effort being
exerted from that which is foreign which is the internal dialogue. In time the gap will increase.
It is time that we take back what is ours.
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When I came across the description of FI , in CC's books (don't recall which one), as the False Mind, it set off bells and whistles within me. Of
course! This isn't about demons and angels. Rather , FI is all those things that stick to us , or that has been force-fed to us , by all the institutions
, relations , histories ; that, FI is teeming in the cultural air we breathe and swim in. Reality! So we are told. Get used to it , so we are told. Yet ,
whose interests are being served by the things we think we believe? Better yet , do each of us carry false beliefs that ill-serve ourselves? I can see the
FI flying , almost like trouble looking for a place to land! The end result always seems to be supremacy of Priestly and Political classes that lead human
beings into an abyss of torture and waste, be they Romans or Aztecs , Conquistadors or , I dare say , Americans and Saudi muslims.
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Docta Lee I can understand your scepticism about spooky things about anything anyone writes about and personally don't take for granted by being spoon feed
but from what I know little of you, you have not ventured not very far into the abstract way of perceiving the world the way warriors view the world.
Let me ask you a question----are you a warrior?
Do you just want to inquire about this sort of stuff because you are curious?
Have you done any dreaming knowing that you were dreaming and acted knowing with your will to act or do you just dream as if you were in a movie?
Just asking since you are asking questions also.
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Ok guys i see what you are saying but (this sounds like a question Carlos would ask Don Juan) is the Flyer a metaphor or is it a separte living thing attached
to us like a leach?
Thank you
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docta lee wrote:
Ok guys i see what you are saying but (this sounds like a question Carlos would ask Don Juan) is the Flyer a metaphor or is it a separte living thing
attached to us like a leach?
Thank you
What is the difference in the end? If you have had it since birth or shortly thereafter why be afraid of it. A Christian may call it the "old
man" a psychiatrist may call it a "complex" or "Ego" or "ID" a sorcerer may call it a "foriegn Installation." It
may be our lower self or a separate entity or our Nepesh (animal soul).
Whatever, it needs to be dealt with and to deal with it we must first become aware that it exists.
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Don Juan says that the F.I is a pulsating sick energy in the head that is visible to seers.
If you cant see, its impossible to understand the F.I. Like many other sorcery mysteries.
Most of the information about sorcery is from seeing energy directly, like you all know.
If you dont have the senses, you dont have the info about reality. What a bummer...
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It is another seperate conglomeration of individualized awareness from your own being.
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Bob May,
First off let me say I find your post to be fascinating and deeply resonating for me. So, about the FI, suppose you view it as a "complex", you see
it for what it is, or so you think, what is the best way to deal with it?
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artwarrior wrote:
Bob May,
First off let me say I find your post to be fascinating and deeply resonating for me. So, about the FI, suppose you view it as a "complex", you see
it for what it is, or so you think, what is the best way to deal with it?
I am a Christian Qabalist. My way of dealing with it may not be another's.
Again I quote Paul because he distills the wrestlings that go on inside of us.
Romans 7
1
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he
liveth?
2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is
loosed from the law of her husband.
3
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead,
she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him
who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto
death.
6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in
the oldness of the letter.
7
What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the
law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
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And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
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For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is
good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
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For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which
is good I find not.
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For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
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Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
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I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
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For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
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But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is
in my members.
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O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of
sin.
Here Paul writes of his efforts to live up to a set of standards of perfection, the Hebrew Law.
He also writes of his realization that for all of his efforts he has failed to live up to this standard of perfection.
Finally he tells of his realization that this FAILURE is the purpose of the Law. This failure reveals our limitations and our inability to rid ourselves of
this thing which is Other Than ourselves.
We must reach the end of ourselves,..Ego, Self importance, etc. to be able to see our source of Power.
If the flier is not us we must rid ourselves of it.
But how do we do that when we see it as completely intertwined with our own thoughts?
In my opinion we are either filled with a spirit or we are filled with The Spirit.
It all boils down to What or Who our source of Power is. And whether or not we have one.
1. Realize you have a problem. This takes honesty.
2. Identify the fact that since you wish to rid yourself of this problem, the problem is other than you.
3.Admit that you are not up to the task. Otherwise it would never have been an issue.
4.Find a source of power to deal with the problem.
AA will get you to #1 and you can keep on admitting you have a problem once a week for the rest of your life. It helps.
Psychiatry, and many self help systems, it seems, will get you to numbers 3 or 4. These also help.
Mysticism and Magic that deal with pulling down Power or becoming "One With" Power can get you to 4.
Deep subject and a good question. I have been 30 plus years learning to deal with it. There is not a simple answer. But I think what I have said above can at
least be said to be a diection to look for answers.
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"The only alternative left for mankind," he continued, "is discipline. Discipline is the only
deterrent. But by discipline I don't mean harsh routines. I don't mean waking up every morning at
five-thirty and throwing cold water on yourself until you're blue. Sorcerers understand discipline as
the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For them,
discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without flinching, not because they are strong and
tough but because they are filled with awe."
"In what way would the sorcerers' discipline be a deterrent?" I asked.
"Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness unpalatable to the flyer," don
Juan said, scrutinizing my face as if to discover any signs of disbelief. "The result is that the
predators become bewildered. An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition,
I suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than refraining from
continuing their nefarious task.
"The flyers' mind flees forever," he said, "when a sorcerer
succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy
fields. If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And that's
exactly what you are going to do: hold on to the energy that binds you together."
That is what CC wrote in "Active side of infinity".
"In my opinion we are either filled with a spirit or we are filled with The Spirit.
It all boils down to What or Who our source of Power is. And whether or not we have one."
Could you please explain this. And how can one change his source of power.
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bentheben wrote:
"The flyers' mind flees forever," he said, "when a sorcerer
succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy
fields. If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And that's
exactly what you are going to do: hold on to the energy that binds you together."
That is what CC wrote in "Active side of infinity".
"In my opinion we are either filled with a spirit or we are filled with The Spirit.
It all boils down to What or Who our source of Power is. And whether or not we have one."
Could you please explain this. And how can one change his source of power.
Hi Ben,
You just answered your own question.
"...the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy
fields..."
"...the energy that binds you together."
Col 1:12
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
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In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
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Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
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For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or
dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
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And he is before all things, and BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST."
The word CONSIST is to "bind" or "hold together."
In physics it is called the "strong force"or that force of the four basic forces of matter, (gravity, electro-magnetism, weak force, strong force)
which holds subatomic particles together.
In Genesis it is the Unknowable God's speech when HE/IT said "Let there be light"
In the New Testament it is called Christ or the Word of God. And he/it came into a human body for a time.
Song of Solomon 2:9
"My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, showing himself through the
LATTICE."
We are surrounded by this "conglomeration of energy" (Lattice) that Don Juan speaks of here. We believe it is hiding as the Bride thinks also in the
above poem. But looking more closely we find that "he", the "beloved" is not hiding himself at all from the seeker (the Bride).
He is SHOWING himself through that lattice (the manifested universe.)
Everything around us reveals this to us. It does not conceal this from us.
It is all in how we look at it.
We change our source of Power by first (1) changing our perspective.
Then (2) by holding the goal in mind as all important. It is all about harmonics.
(1) Obviously if what we are doing/thinking does not work, then to keep doing it will bring the same results. There are many methods of changing our
perspective. Not doing, stopping the internal dialog, fasting, etc.
Lu 19:40
And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should HOLD THEIR PEACE, the stones would immediately cry out.
(2) It is all about harmonics. What we fear, wish for, believe is happening, will.
That is our Curse and that is our Gift.
Our Source of Power waits for us to tune in to IT. It does not change. If it changed to what we want it would not be what it is. Then it would be as powerless
as we are.
If we begin to see and believe THIS we begin to see the possibilty of changing.
Gospel of Thomas "...Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."
But like I said, I am a Christian. My answer might not be your answer.
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Bob May wrote:
"Our Source of Power waits for us to tune in to IT. It does not change. If it changed to what we want it would not be what it is. Then it would be as
powerless as we are. If we begin to see and believe THIS we begin to see the possibility of changing."
Thanks for the reminder of this possible and potential Source of Power.
LOGOS is a much bigger concept than speech or scripture.
Ninth Octave
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Ive done an awful lot of research on the flyer, im not repeating a book or a cliche!..
In fate and destiny terms we have many options to us at any one time....
at anyone time our future could branch in the "wrong direction" to that which is most empowering!
in essence we could go through the wrong door at any time!..
The flyer is like that part of yourself that has gone through the wrong door at some point!..
and though you do not want to go there, all IT can do is call your name.. to try and bring you back together!...
paradoxicly to focus on it will draw you off course...(as you associate with a potential mistake and like attracts like).
yet to ignore it will ignore a part of yourself...
the trick is to find away to move IT!.. using your knowledge!... as opposed to trying to grunt it into your view of the world with brute psychic strength!.
This is the gift of power it holds..
we are talking about Parrallell dimensions here...
so it is entirely plausible that the flyer will call from a sidetracked and lost part of yourself, from a choice you havent yet made.....
when you combine this with "death is your best advisor"... you understand!... but the crux of this is that to work with the flyer and ones own death
one must be intelligent to be respectful!...
to just move forces around as if they are objects with no energy of their own.. is a good way to hit yourself in the face, with something you didnt know you
were holdoing in your greedy little claw!
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I think the FI is an entity that has yet to come into its own true nature!.. this it seeks....its effects are arbitary as they are not its purpose...
like a tank doesnt mean to crush a coca-cola can it just does...on its way to where its going!...
which way did that arrow come from?.... and who was it aimed at?... and why was i in the way?.....
and sureley its stupid to set students up.. trying to see sickness on each others heads!.. I dunno.... seems a bit like trying to give someone cancer or
something!...
"Too stupid to be brave , too brave to be stupid."
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Hey rosygyro
I like your response and your take on the flyer.
sometimes though i feel a bit like we are all under the spell of CC lingo, terms and ideas.
The way i see it the flyer is real whether CC wrote about it or not.
It would be really cool if the medical cummunity made a discovery of the flyer.and gave a world press release COULD U IMAGINE THAT
I feel it would be great but i think there are fourm members here who dont like this kind of talk
To me sorcery should not half to be a abstract struggle it is pragmatic
Or i could say that it is the modern world which makes the sorcery difficult or hard to access for me
Yeah i like that!
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The multitude of voices in our head are readily accessible to science.
How frightening it must be to assume we are inherently monolithic beings, and then to hear the "others" in our heads. We are forced to assume that
some of the voices are evil, even foreign. We must become Qabbalists and study the hierarchy of angels and elemental beings, and seek to resolve them, and
ourselves, into an ultimate unity, which we take by faith.
There are other viewpoints, but they are so strange to the "tonal of the times". How, we may wonder, can we account for our many voices as assumed
monolithic beings in a monolithic universe? The standard answer is to say that some voices are evil. That's the monolithic way. Create a hierarchy, and say
the voices are unnatural.
Surely there is one voice among them all that is "the right one". Surely there is then, one voice that is wrong, as the monolithic universe demands.
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I think it is very easy to be aware that our inner voice, or consciousness, is a multi-faceted reality. Sometimes, the inner voice is like something separate
from the true self. But does that mean it is a real spiritual being? Thats probably a question for someone that sees energy directly. Not for speculation.
Some egos are more agressive than others, or , is it that some flyers are more agressive than others. Maybe there are different races of F.I. I've heard
something like this on this site...
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