Selfimportance - what is it?

[Mornings Son]

Dear friends




After a couple of entertaining sesson with different 'shows and dramas'




1. 'Sidarthurs throughs with cakes of **** and wisdom at everything that moves...


2. Arnway and friends plays and fight with Lujan and his crew




Im left with the thought that I might not have understood what Selfimportance means...




Is it something the FI generates?


If so should a True Warrior as well as Sorcerere or Seer, not have freed him or herself from it?




Was Sid not a very kind friend when he got people pissed of, as it showed them where the FI had its hook in them?




I just wonder...




Please help me clarify what it is and how to deal with it the toltec way.




Morning Star

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Self-importance...is a different AP then self-pity. Self-importance can be beneficial and destructive. Like all emotions it is a condition we humans suffer.

[grandspeculator]

Self-importance starts in the mind. It's a result of identification with the mind and body:




Examples (of the people you mentioned):




Siddhartur identifies himself as a Supreme Warrior (a highly trained martial artist, body builder and seer with knowledge and experience of the subtle
realities) and keeping that in mind he demands respect and consideration from everyone. When he doesn't get it, he gets frustrated and angry. Now he made a
place for himself.




Arnway believes that because of his marginal progress in the nagual path he is some sort of authority in the matters of the spirit and, like Siddhartur,
demands respect and consideration of everyone. He doesn't get it either, so he too made a place for himself.




The question is:




If one is a great nagual, do you care what others think of you and your sayings? Do you need to promote yourself? This goes to many others as well. Doesn't the
universe know your address to send the right people to you?




Why o why do we want attention from others? Approval? Applause? Why? Is a nagual better or worst if he is trashed or adored?




Self-Importance is, in many ways, a social problem. We want attention from others, we want power over others and we want pleasure from others.




The true value of a nagual only the Spirit knows. We mostly speculate.




Naguals are instruments of the spirit... everything and anything coming from a "Nagual" that it's not within the intent of the spirit is an act
of self-importance. Siddhatur, for instance, is beginning to learn this fact. (he said in his last post that the universe didn't support him in his last
actions against LW an LM).




This doesn't mean that Naguals are saints, perfect or live for the spirit alone. They may enjoy the many good things in life, but indulging in
self-importance is not good at all.




If you want a rule to measure how valuable is a Nagual you might want to think how much good he does to his fellow men, warriors and ocational disciples, how
little he speaks and cares of his self-image, the opinions of others and how little he wants for himself.




Those may very well be the marks of a true warrior.

[greenriverknight]

Ssillouhette once said on the


Castaneda Forum that TFFW The Fire From Within.


Was a guide to erasing self-importance.


I'm reading it Morning Star and I can see you.

[Blue totem]

Siddhartur his a frustrated, immature kid inside, its to bad for him.

[DoktorGreen]

The indicator of ongoing self concern (self importance) is expectations. As long as we judge and have expectations, we are sabotaging our efforts. We are
setting up disappointment. We are vulnerable. When we stop expectations, we stop being vulnerable. We stop reacting. We stop disappointment.




To stop expectations, one stops the inner dialogue. One must move the awareness to accomplish this. The conscious will is not enough to stop this; it is part
of the problem. One moves the awareness through numerous practices. Dreaming. Power plants. Meditation. The help of a Seer. Stalking. The Gait of Power.
Gazing. Not-doing. Power places.




The indicator of the shift is simply that one assembles another set of strings. One moves within the great web. One leaves this frequency. One
"SHIFTS" from the human place. Upon accomplishing this 'shift' enough times, one finds it happening all the time. Moment to moment.
'Shifting' outside the human dilemma. Stopping the inner dialogue. Stopping the world. Gaining the advantage of heightened awareness, one ignores the
self naturally. This took Carlos many years, and he had the help of a Nagual.......

[Jos3ph]

Self-importance means that the self is believed to be more important than someone/something else. Funny how the idea that something of ME is not more
important than anything else can spark off fear (fear that says I have to be important to continue to exist, without that... oh noooooo!) In this context
self-importance is SURVIVAL! Hmmm... I can see that so clearly now. A bastion of self-importance protected by guardians of anger, self- pity, and fear. If I
am not important then what am I?

[Bob May]

Hi guys,




"One moves the awareness through numerous practices. Dreaming. Power plants. Meditation. The help of a Seer. Stalking. The Gait of Power. Gazing.
Not-doing. Power places."




(I would add concentration, fasting and sleep deprivation to the list.)




"Upon accomplishing this 'shift' enough times, one finds it happening all the time. Moment to moment. 'Shifting' outside the human
dilemma. Stopping the inner dialogue. Stopping the world. Gaining the advantage of heightened awareness,.."




"Funny how the idea that something of ME is not more important than anything else can spark off fear (fear that says I have to be important to
continue to exist, without that... oh noooooo!) In this context self-importance is SURVIVAL! Hmmm... I can see that so clearly now."




The keys here are "practice" and "over a long period of time", it seems to me.




We have two minds, for lack of a better explaination. One has been in charge from birth. It does fear the change, but can be persuaded to enjoy it over time
with the practices listed by Doktor Green.


Then does it leave, or just relinquish it's power over the individual? I don't know.


But the shifts of consciousness get easier and the fear leaves over time.

[Bob Carr]

Sustained Suction and Sidarthur annoyed me for a few minutes. So have other things. I got over it and joined in the fun. Playing 'yo mama' is old
hat with me , although I sorta left it behind some years ago. But what the hell , I ain't that proud.




Then I get back to thing at hand: my Sorcery homework.




My awareness has shifted many times. Maybe there have been a few larger movements of the AP. Some are persistent and the negatives hang on. But not today.




The Spirit knocked me many times during my life, yet only now do I take it , and the powers it affords me , seriously.




Better late than never.




In ' Ixtlan ' , don Juan says that the IDEA is the source. Dreaming is an idea , and to follow the idea is to make it real . Years ago, a writer had
some ideas , and now they are all realities. Submarines, telephones , airplanes , computers, space travel. Jules Verne was that writer. I always wonder how
he knew , and now I have the answer. Send the idea into Power , and it may come back as substance.

[seeitall]

Here's my take on that:




The easy part: Self importance is when you think or feel important.


The tricky part: We function like automatons, always repeating same


response patterns for certain stimuli. We learned it in the past, when we


felt we are the centre of the universe, and now even equipped with


all the knowledge we have been given, nothing changes. I remember


Wolf mentioning that once we learn some AP position, FI can shift


AP at that place at any time again.

[Vrill]

Emptiness, being truly empty of a notion of a limited self, is Freedom.




Clinging to a wrong view of Self is the source of all of our problems.




I am not saying there is no Self. It's way more complicated than that, at least the explanation is more complicated. Self Importance covers up our true
and unique Individuality. This Individuality is largely unknown to us. It is totally unique.




It's just that we cling to many temporal and impermanent notions rather than strengthening our resolve to discover the Unlimited, Infinite and Eternal.
This act of clinging causes unskillful acts formed from our ignorance, which come from Self Importance.




GS is correct that Identification with the wrong things causes the Self Importance.




One second of true Humility is enough to wipe away many lifetimes of Self Importance, and set us on the road to Reality, but it's a never ending battle
since our conditioning and society is addicted to the false notion that a separate self exists.




With certain people, the axiom "Cast not your Pearls before swine" comes to mind. Never discuss your Practice with people that don't get it.

[Mornings Son]

Wouw that was very informativt.


I feel like a better person already




Thank you all that have written here.




Mornings Son

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