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I will try to put explanation about fear
really shortly. So question about fears or phobias.
Our minds are association machines. Fear is
Indication that your mind automatically associate, what you think what you see
TO what you have saved in your subconscious about that object, witch means with DANGER. Because
you had predefined danger inside about something that it results as fear, but
if ‘danger’ level are greater then it can results as panic. That can crate an incident,
a scary story or just your imagination. Basically it means that you had
suffered from something and you automatically had saved it in your subconscious
as danger. Usually fear about something is supplemented by further living confirmations
until you decide to fight it. Be aware that there is such a thing- a fear of
fear which is pure food for flyers.
By fixing this firstly recapitulation is
the key.
Then you need to recap, with ‘cold’
attitude, everything that associates with fear- situations, objects, people,
animals.... There are no such things as danger situations, just merely you know
how to act in these situations or don’t know, same with everything. That’s why
Don Juan states that fear could be overcome only by clarity. So recap, learn
how to act and that’s it for theoretical part. Then comes the action part. Little
by little, situation by situation with clarity and proper attitude you will
beat the fear.
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I think that its only an idea, fear is only an idea of being (non)involved into anything. its empty
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scout1, fear should be empty, but usually i would say fear has attachment inside. Obviously it's possible to manipulate feelings such as fear, but that's another topic.
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White Knight, I found the words in your lead post most helpful.
The Wizard of Oz is a good sorcery tale about this. The fear is powerful until the little dog pulls back the curtain, exposes that the fear is just a machine.
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Wei Shan Yang wrote:White Knight, I found the words in your lead post most helpful.
The Wizard of Oz is a good sorcery tale about this. The fear is powerful until the little dog pulls back the curtain, exposes that the fear is just a machine.
It's good, that it's useful. We should all know how fear mechanism works.
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and the Wiz is exposed, and Dorothy says, "You're a really bad man", and he says "Oh no, my dear....I'm a really good man...I'm just a bad Wizard."
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Is that a direct quote? Cool.
There are fake Wizards and there are Wizards. The fakes are the ones who have to use tonal tricks becasue their true power from the nagual is denied them (ex. illusionist david copperfield). There are other fake Wizards who do have power...who started on the path and developed but some way along the way they stopped battling their flyer and put a psuedo story in its place, then go on to try and capture the attention of apprentices this way demonstrating their power to the degree they can but again they are still aligned with the FI and so cannot guide anyone property...these are the most pesky false Wizards.
Then there are true Wizards and their magic is powerful, they use it and its known, its comes not from them but because they lack ego and can chanel the source..and again the fake second sorcers do this too, but a true Wizard does it powerfully due to no blockages. But they don't show off and only do what is necessary as described by power's design, so often times they go unnoticed to the unalert and ego-filled.
In this story, Dorthy becomes the Wizard (true one) after she defeats her fear of the Wizard of Oz.
"I'm a really good man...I'm just a bad Wizard."
'The road to hell is paved with good intentions'
...my Japanese friend got that on a fortune cookie one day. Then she asked me "what does that mean?" with a quizzical look, since English is her second language... and I stumbled with a long response. Don't know how much sense I made at the time...but now I understand that some fake Wizards THINK they are doing good. So they THINK they are good men. Anyone who covets their flyer cannot possibly be helping anyone truly on the warrior path. So FIRST we battle our flyer till it flees, THEN we become true Wizards...not the other way around. Too many warriors jumping the gun and trying to lead people.
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That assumes you believe in the theory of the flyer and the foreign installation.
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funny I took the story in a slightly different way....I saw Dorothy and her pals going through a process of investing all their power in a teacher/master/wizard someone 'up there' only to discover that they already had they very qualities all along that they thought they lacked and were looking for....and reclaiming their own strength.
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Gonzo wrote:That assumes you believe in the theory of the flyer and the foreign installation.It's not the mater of believing, whether you put intent to see or be lazy and do nothing.
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Turin Otzaki wrote:funny I took the story in a slightly different way....I saw Dorothy and her pals going through a process of investing all their power in a teacher/master/wizard someone 'up there' only to discover that they already had they very qualities all along that they thought they lacked and were looking for....and reclaiming their own strength.This is true, and there was a time I would say this is all that's true, but experience has shown me we need those more powerful than us to light the way at times. Such as the good witch of the east pointed out to Dorothy that she had the power to return home all along. So we can say Dorothy discovered her magical nature, but we must consider the input of the east witch in that process, a true Wizard, guide. As said elsewhere on the forum, such beings will help guide you to your own power. Power is not ever a done deal though, we must remember we continue to evolve, need others, and also be independent.
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Gonzo wrote:That assumes you believe in the theory of the flyer and the foreign installation.Yes I do and it has opened doors for me, even as I battle even more difficult than I imagined. Your doubt does not phase me, I am beyond questioning the existence of the flier. I'm dealing with a whole different arena of doubt, which you probably know nothing about because you won't face yourself, and instead waste your time with what other people are doing, thinking you have the solution that they cannot see instead of seeing what they do see, growing with that.
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Yes Wei I agree, and how important and yet light her touch was on Dorothy's path....The good witch didn't accompany her on the journey...or take her by the hand or demand obeisance. She basically said "That way, now off you go dear".
To heed the indications of those more experienced yes, and then its up to us to walk. Many who long for a teacher or are attached to a teacher either dont want to take full responsibility (fear) or still cannot accept they actually have what they need (conditioning).
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Wei Shan Yang wrote:Gonzo wrote:That assumes you believe in the theory of the flyer and the foreign installation.Yes I do and it has opened doors for me, even as I battle even more difficult than I imagined. Your doubt does not phase me, I am beyond questioning the existence of the flier. I'm dealing with a whole different arena of doubt, which you probably know nothing about because you won't face yourself, and instead waste your time with what other people are doing, thinking you have the solution that they cannot see instead of seeing what they do see, growing with that.
Hmmm. Wei. WHAT i????? He questions your belief, and he gets that from you??
How do you know what Gonzo has faced or not faced?!
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Irrespective of if you believe the flyer is an external influence or an internal one of our own construction, only control over your own power is the surest way of getting rid of the flyer.
The whole concept of making a flyer out to be something that can stike at a moments notice in ever more subtle ways is a chaotic construction, designed to install insecurity and fear into your subconscious hence the constant self doubt about the intent of the flyer. (as it is YOUR intent that is being called into question and is converted into food for the flyer your insecurity will propogate, spread and become self sustaining until you regain your personal power and control)
Chaos feeds off the energy and vibrations of fear, therefore it is showing a sense of humour in making us manifest our own worst fears.
Sneaky fucker huh?
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Spud wrote:Irrespective of if you believe the flyer is an external influence or an internal one of our own construction, only control over your own power is the surest way of getting rid of the flyer.
The whole concept of making a flyer out to be something that can stike at a moments notice in ever more subtle ways is a chaotic construction, designed to install insecurity and fear into your subconscious hence the constant self doubt about the intent of the flyer. (as it is YOUR intent that is being called into question and is converted into food for the flyer your insecurity will propogate, spread and become self sustaining until you regain your personal power and control)
Chaos feeds off the energy and vibrations of fear, therefore it is showing a sense of humour in making us manifest our own worst fears.
Sneaky fucker huh?Its too romamtic ,)
We know for sure You are the Prey ,)
And Warrior-hunter makes sure to stop being a prey..
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Turin Otzaki wrote:Wei Shan Yang wrote:Gonzo wrote:That assumes you believe in the theory of the flyer and the foreign installation.Yes I do and it has opened doors for me, even as I battle even more difficult than I imagined. Your doubt does not phase me, I am beyond questioning the existence of the flier. I'm dealing with a whole different arena of doubt, which you probably know nothing about because you won't face yourself, and instead waste your time with what other people are doing, thinking you have the solution that they cannot see instead of seeing what they do see, growing with that.
Hmmm. Wei. WHAT i????? He questions your belief, and he gets that from you??
How do you know what Gonzo has faced or not faced?!
By his intent.
Yes he questions my beliefs, and not only mine, everyone's except HIS. In truth its our own we must look at and not in comparison to others, but in the manner in which they have been built, designed in erroneous logic that pertains to our personal history.
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"Many who long for a teacher or are attached to a teacher either don't want to take full responsibility (fear) or still cannot accept they actually have what they need (conditioning)."
I'd say also they have not met the right teacher. Attachments and not wanting to take responsibility are the fare of humanity, quite common and vast. So meeting the right teacher is a combination of having first the intent, and then enough power for it to be answered. So yes, it begins with the individual voicing this, and then the teacher is beckoned. In some cases its not that one sough a teacher, but simply their freedom. Its easy to forget that everything is co-interactive at all times. We use the word independence, but when are we ever truly alone? So what is meant by alone is to be with Spirit. If your teacher is with Spirit, and you are too, there is no difference between the two.
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Wei -
The notion of the flyer as well as that of the foreign installation, whether either are actual or not, does not mean they are useless. Both urge folk to examine their thoughts and their source, in effect also, leading to examination of beliefs. In my opinion, these notions qualify as another clever device of don Juan's, similar to urging one to find his hands in dreaming. That trick causes folk to become more aware of their dreaming and can lead eventually to lucid dreaming.
In many ways, within the teachings of don Juan, imo, there are similar tricks, and even the word "trick", if you search the entire collection, appears many times. In effect, what he is doing is actualizing the phrase about being able to lead a horse to water but not being able to make him drink.
and, btw...feel free to challenge all of my beliefs.
G
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Im not sure it matters a jot whether the Flyer or Foreign Installation does exists or not, the fact is that this is how it appears to work. Don Juan may have given this mechanism a name and an 'objective reality' just as a tool to enable students to be able to name their own monsters without getting caught in the trap of negative self judgement...especially for less emotionally intelligent ones like CC!!.ie. in the name of getting on unhindered with the job of seeing our **** and moving along. So much easier to say "ah there goes the action of the FI" rather than "Oh man, I was such a dick there, how bad of me, Im ****".
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Yes, agree G, but talking about the FI and facing it are two entirely different things. Facing it is far more intensive and energy consuming than most warriors seem to imagine. It takes a true spartan effort. Then the FI, or you could say foreign awareness implanted in us, realizes its days are numbered and really really turns up the heat and you cannot back down then.
Truth is, the THEORY of the FI does not interest me much anymore. We all can talk about it in such a way but it makes no dent in the influence itself. Talking about its direct influence is more beneficial. Dealing with its direct influence (fighting back) most beneficial of all.
Gonzo, I've always felt free to challenge you, lol, haven't you noticed? What I've observed is it makes no difference, you stay the way you are regardless of what I say.
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@ Wei -
fwiw, I found dealing one on one with a guru far more challenging that dealing with an imaginary foe who hadn't the ability to perceive and to expose my inner-most fears and feelings and then refuse to continue dealing with me until I faced them.
If you have challenged my beliefs, I'm unaware of it. We compared notes briefly about Buddhism but that's about all. What I believe is not cast in stone, however, it would take an objective and logical argument to cause me to change them.
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Castaneda asked, "How can we be morose? Talia," he told us, "was very
morose this morning." He claimed he’d never seen her looking so down.
He imitated her frowning, and looking downward. All the way to class "I
was singing tangos to try to cheer her up," but got only a weak laugh.
So when they finally got up to the door he told her, "Now, tell me
what’s going on, or you can’t come into the class." She said, "Oh, I
read a sad story." His response was, "*** that. How ‘sensitive’ to get
down about some sad story. She read ‘David Copperfield.’ Come on! We
can’t be morose.
The worst has already happened. We’re dead already. But don Juan’s idea was,
‘Let’s
put up a fight before they find and prove that we’re dead.’ Let’s
deprive the Flyers of their nourishment. We can dry them up. If we
deprive them of their nourishment, they’ll go away."
http://www.sustainedaction.org/Notes/Sunday_091596.htm
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@ Gonzo...dealing with my 'guru' one on one is extremely beautiful, enlightening, and purely positive, where as dealing with the FI is a nuisance and worse. btw, I don't think you've seen your flier yet. Which is why you don't sense its presence. But look at your interactions on the forum, your combative nature, your inability to connect in vulnerability, tune into another's heart (I've shared my heart with you more than once and it went unanswered)... traces of the FI influence...its there. I'm not saying you don't have heart felt relationships, I'm sure you do, but just looking at your actions here, we can see a bit of Gonzo the man, where he's at, were he's not at.
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Wei Shan Yang wrote  Gonzo...dealing with my 'guru' one on one is extremely beautiful, enlightening, and purely positive, where as dealing with the FI is a nuisance and worse. btw, I don't think you've seen your flier yet. Which is why you don't sense its presence. But look at your interactions on the forum, your combative nature, your inability to connect in vulnerability, tune into another's heart (I've shared my heart with you more than once and it went unanswered)... traces of the FI influence...its there. I'm not saying you don't have heart felt relationships, I'm sure you do, but just looking at your actions here, we can see a bit of Gonzo the man, where he's at, were he's not at.Wei,
be careful with Your physical body. Its the only meaningfull unit.
I get damaged my body and must go with that along.
As to the Path, its only on us if continue in our Personal lie or we turn on.
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