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Pride
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The essence of pride is division. It's self-reliance made a psychological trait. The basic attitude of pride is "I don't need you nor anybody else" and so on. 


Truth of the matter is nobody lives separated and 100% self-sustained in the universe. We rely on several things that are around us.


Pride is either good or bad depending on the given context. If you are fucked up, mangled and in general miserable, pride will keep you alive. Is the essence of self-importance: We sustain a facade of pride as a survival mechanism. Then being proud actually helps you, gives you the endurance you lacked before to find your way out of your situations.


But once you find your way, once you found your haven, your peace, your joy, your bliss... pride becomes a burden, a barrier. Pride yells "See... I did it. *** ya all! I don't need you."


And while we have our little haven, we are isolated. We have ourselves and a loved few and that's it. We are deliberately ignoring the rest of the world, the rest of the universe, the places that are unpleasant, ugly, disturbing. Part of us refuses to see the rest, because there is something truly ugly about ourselves and people around us reminds us of it.


Pride is healthy, and what we earned is ours and well deserved, but is that all there is to it? 


A naturalist named Christopher Johnson McCandless aka Alexander Supertramp wrote as he died alone in the wilderness, having lived what was for him a life of freedom and pleasantries roaming the earth seeking adventure:


'Happiness Only Real When Shared'


So be happy, be joyful, be ecstatic... live fully, but remember: what you wanted and earned for yourself, is all that all the doofuses and fools in the world want for themselves as well. Most of them are closed to those options, they are too engrossed or suffering to intensely to discern A from C, but some are willing to seek them.



Once, perhaps not in this life-time, we were as dumb as them. Perhaps even worst. And someone, or a group of people, made us aware of the possibility of growing beyond our stupidity.


Let us return the favor to those who helped us to grow by helping others who want to grow. By helping others, we can transcend our pride and expand our awareness more than we could possible imagine.


I speak from experience on this matter. I had no help. No help I could use. I was given pointers. I was told the obvious 100 times. I was disregarded and ignored. Nothing worked, no matter what I did.


But when after failing for the thousand time I said "Ok Spirit, let's make a deal. I help your sons, you help me." it happened. I never thought it would work as it did. I started to heal. So I continued. And now I'm healing more.


Soon enough, I'll be cured. And this can be your case too, if you want it.


Do you?
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#2
My favorite part, "Let us return the favor to those who helped us to grow by helping others who want to grow. By helping others, we can transcend our pride and expand our awareness more than we could possible imagine."
Pride holds us back from helping others. I've come to a wonderful conclusion recently... those who are the most generous with themselves are also the most selfish! Includes God, mother Teresa, Budda, whatever. They are the most selfish and their happiness comes from their love of helping others, CUZ IT HELPS THEMSELVES.
Ok ok, I'm being retarded but the point stands... there's an even better high than helping ourselves, it's when we see others grow and become someone even better than ourselves it brings US happiness. Can you believe that? Someone else grows and we ride on their wave.... haha. The truely giving find joy and power in the success of others. We help because it makes US feel good, it just so happens to make the other person feel good too. Oh I can count the ways I could relate this to sex but I will refrain.
Give give give.
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#3
Kaomea wroteTongueride holds us back from helping others. I've come to a wonderful conclusion recently... those who are the most generous with themselves are also the most selfish! Includes God, mother Teresa, Budda, whatever. They are the most selfish and their happiness comes from their love of helping others, CUZ IT HELPS THEMSELVES.

Developing our individuality is not a selfish pursuit. One is transcending selfishness, which is a social trait. As we develop our individuality we can do far more for others. Even our simple presence becomes uplifting. And besides, even if you are doing good to others just to get a self-important high for a while, you will seldom see the receiving end of help complaining about it.

Mother Teresa, Buddha and such are not selfish in their desire of easing the suffering of others nor they are in need of helping themselves. It's a natural tendency of their hearts when they are so at ease and see themselves surrounded by misery. That's the essence of compassion, a foreign concept in naguals affairs.


For the most of it, those who regard helping others as a selfish pursuit are the one that are excusing themselves for not wanting to move a pinky for anybody. Not you though Kao.
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#4
A siris wrote:So questions are, how do we stalk our pride and our prideful inclinations, how to keep ourselves in line or in check?
And also, healthy self-respect is not pride.  How to tell the difference?By doing menial service to others who we consider inferior or undeserving we can manage to dissolve our proudful tendencies to our overall benefit. 

The difference comes when we care too much about people agreeing with our high image of ourselves. If you are OK within, you don't need someone else to reinforce your self-image.
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Biohazard wrote:
Kaomea wrote:
Pride holds us back from helping others. I've come to a wonderful conclusion recently... those who are the most generous with themselves are also the most selfish! Includes God, mother Teresa, Budda, whatever. They are the most selfish and their happiness comes from their love of helping others, CUZ IT HELPS THEMSELVES.


Developing our individuality is not a selfish pursuit. One is transcending selfishness, which is a social trait. As we develop our individuality we can do far more for others. Even our simple presence becomes uplifting. And besides, even if you are doing good to others just to get a self-important high for a while, you will seldom see the receiving end of help complaining about it.



Mother Teresa, Buddha and such are not selfish in their desire of easing the suffering of others nor they are in need of helping themselves. It's a natural tendency of their hearts when they are so at ease and see themselves surrounded by misery. That's the essence of compassion, a foreign concept in naguals affairs.




For the most of it, those who regard helping others as a selfish pursuit are the one that are excusing themselves for not wanting to move a pinky for anybody. Not you though Kao.

LOLOLOL.  Well that is correct and wrong.  It is correct in that I am in a selfish pursuit.  You are wrong in that I wont move a pinky for anyone   My theory is, make everyone around me better people so that I can be surrounded by powerful beings.  Hell, if everyone remains a sheep, then it is ME who has to protect the little buggers.  If I make everyone else wolves (nice ones), then hell, I ain't gotta do any protecting and I can go out EXPLORING! 
See what I mean?  I'm selfish in my giving because it means less work for me.  Laughs.  Make perfect sense to me, it's a win-win situation for all.  They get enlightment, I get a loose end tied up.  My purpose in life: to go exploring.  My duties in life: protect others.  Conclusion: less to protect means more exploring time.  Work hard now, it'll pay off later. 
.... ****, I see a problem with my theory at the moment.  If you make the box bigger, there's more space to be filled... ****.  YOU RAINED ON MY PARADE DAMNIT!  You are fired!
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Lol
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#7
Asiris, *** off with your Jesus ****. This is the last place to post **** about Jesus. Nobody cares, so *** off.
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#8
BT!!! You could surely put that another way, less abusive perhaps??!!
Asiris could you please post less of the long excerpts from Urantia....perhaps condense it a bit and give us some relevant sentences from it that relate to what you are saying. We all have access to the whole book if we want to read it! Its a pain in the ass having to scroll down through it to get to the next posts too.



You make some really good points though, and I liked what you wrote below about Infinity. Was just talking about it the other day to SHM in some detail. For me feeling into infinity has such beneficial effects, as well as humbleness, a sense of expansiveness and connectivity with everything.



"One technique is to really try and conceive of INFINITY and the implications of what that means in actuality, it ought to give you a sense of your relative insignificance and produce feelings of humbleness or modesty".
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#9
Hi Bt,

I'd like to congratulate you on an excellent post! It gave me, the best laugh I've had all day.

Thank you!
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