A question about love

[Bob May]

"Anyhow, my situation is that I have never known love; Not Mom or Dad. My birth was a mistake."
Your birth was no mistake. Most people's births are not "planned" in the fullest sense of the word. I have three boys who were all suprises to one degree or another. Not that we didn't want them, but that the exact time of the pregnancy is always inconvenient in one way or another.
But in the fuller sense, God knew perfectly well you would come to be. And when, and what you would go through. We can take our upbringing as positive or negative examples. Probably a bit of both. No one has a perfect childhood, though some have it harder than others.
"One strange thing is that once I understood what giving is about, no one was interested in what I had to give. Self-Importance, on their part, I'll bet."
So you stumbled onto the truth of the matter and they were blind to it. I have heard love defined as; "..giving, expecting nothing in return." I think that is a good way to look at it at one level.
"And it is a damn shame, as I do think that I have somethng to offer, especially to posterity; ie: after my death.
Maybe not;only Spirit judges."
There are two ways to view reality. Both are in Scripture. Both are true in the respect that whichever view you subscribe to becomes your reality.
You can look at both reality an the Scripture as judgemental. If you do that is all you will see in them.
Or you can look at both reality and scripture as grace (an unearned gift). If you do, that is what life becomes for you. Your world view reflected back at you.
God is not judging anyone. God gives us the choice. Most people choose Judgement. The way of Grace is the better way. Jesus said; "I show you a better way." He also said; "Behold, I make all things new." That includes the Old Testament Law of reprisal and punishment.
It becomes the "Perfect Law of Liberty."
God is not pissed with anyone. Moses brought the Law. Jesus brought Grace and Truth. That is the Truth. God is not mad at anyone. If you can accept that, everything changes.
"What the hell is Love, anyway?
I don't know anymore."
It is a power that permeates everything and can flow through us. I think we can access it by getting an idea of what compassion is. You have had a not so perfect childhood and life. As many of us can relate to.
Maybe your compassion can be shared with those who have come through similar circumstances.
Hang in there Bob.

Bob

[Bob Carr]

I agree. It's plenty difficult.
But, if you have to ask, if you don't know without asking, likely it ain't love.
The Spirit always tells us the facts.
BobHawkeye and Crow

[Bob Carr]

Well, don't misundertand me. What I posted is their view, not mine. But, it is disturbing after all, to me.
There are So Many Petty Tyrants. Worse to have them among your own relations.Like Pablito and Soledad maybe?
Maybe that's what led me here; why I dream of Wounded Knee rather than a White Christmas.
Ha, ha! FBI=Full Blooded Indian. Yes, Lonewolf?
Again, I am amazed to really see how the Whites always brought a Preacher to their Swindle sessions.
Even today, nothing has changed
Why should I complain? These Assholes murdered women and children and call themselves brave warriors, as they move upon the entire globe.
Whites like me were executed for 'going native'.
Well, I'm ready for battle. I'm getting old, I want to do the 'undeerground railroad ' when the time comes; and it will.Hawkeye and Crow

[seeitall]

>"What the hell is Love, anyway?
>I don't know anymore."
me neither.
>I think we can access it by getting an idea of what compassion is.
CC once said: don't waste your energy on compassion.
to feel compassion you have to think you're better off then
someone else. do you think you are better off ?

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[Nagual LoneWolf]

Love is the wanting and its from attainment of life....
once we have passed on..love is a abstract wanting.

[Bob May]

"CC once said: don't waste your energy on compassion.
to feel compassion you have to think you're better off then
someone else."
You may want to go back and re-read that. It may be so but it may also be that that is how Carlos remembered the converstation. Either way, I dissagree. You do not have to think you are better off to feel compassion. But it helps to have been "in the shoes" of the person you are having compassion for.
Compassion is a "feeling with" another person. Not a "looking down" on them. I can feel compassion for someone who has lost a loved one because I have lost loved ones and know how it feels.
"do you think you are better off ?"
I can feel better off than them in the respect that I have lived through it while they may still be in mourning.
You are "better off" having lived through difficulties than someone who is still experiencing them.
You are not better than them.

Bob

[seeitall]

I found the quote for you:
Quoteon Juan said there is no evil and that we can't feel compassion. Is that is feeling sorry for someone else? Does that means I believe I'm better off than they are? It's the ego that feels sorry, and the whole idea of feeling sorry is fraudulent. Use your energy for something else, to free yourself. -----------------
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[seeitall]

It's form someone's notes from the lecture,
certainly not word by word what C.C. or D.J. said,
but it makes sense to me.-----------------
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[Bob May]

"It's the ego that feels sorry, and the whole idea of feeling sorry is fraudulent. Use your energy for something else, to free yourself."
I see where this is going and I agree with it when speaking about "lower emotions." Feeling sorry for yourself and others does no good. It is just wallowing in lower emotions. Same as worry or fright etc.
But the question was about love. And compassion.
These are real "higher emotions." But, like I said love is not an emotion at all, but a power or energy from God. In fact, the Bible says that God IS love. Same with compassion. It is the power to feel what someone else is feeling.
It may seem a play on words, but it is not. There are counterfiets to everything in the Spirit. There are levels of what we call love.
Philos or brotherly love, Eros or physical love, and what Paul calls "charity" which is the highest form of love.
Eros is a selfish emotion, philos is not, neither is Charity. (Charos, I think)
To feel compassion for someone is not to feel sorry for them. It is actually to feel what they feel. There is a connection there.Bob

[Bob Carr]

This seems to apply here , from "The Power of Silence". And let me say that these passages are so strange , yet likely true.
Chap.4 '...we cut ourselves and bleed...the feeling that we are bleeding together..our humanity...we would discover that we are bleeding alone; that we are not sharing anything...man made reflection.'
Chap 3: WOW--Egomania is a real Tyrant, we must dethrone it.
In the 'Fire from Within', Nagual Julian was a Giver precisely becuse he did not care about anybody: A true warrior-dipassionate, not hateful, no demand of acknowledgement. This is some heavy psycological stuff.
How about Bob May's comments on Secrecy? Of course, this is the psycology of Confession. Name it and it's power is weakened! Say it out loud.
It ain't rational at all.
Omens and Spirit all around me.
Superstitions or realities?
Or vice-versa.
Hey, any fans of Counting Crows out there?
Hey Mrs Potter won't you talk to me
Bob CHawkeye and Crow

[adeleon444]

Pablito and Soledad were not really related.Pablito says "my mom is a witch and she wants to eat me;I wish I was an average man and not a sorcerer." They were stalkers playing a roll.This is in Second Ring of Power everyone was attacking Carlos' reason-and physically.

[adeleon444]

One of my favorite sayings from C.C. works-"If you love something leave it alone",or as it is.I think it was Genaro?"Touch it with a gossamer hand".I really like that!

[seeitall]

Quote:"If you love something leave it alone"
is it really from C.C. works ? can't remember this one.-----------------
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[adeleon444]

definately from Castaneda-I don't remember exactly what book but will try to figure it out.Does anyone out there know?

[adeleon444]

I am pretty sure it is in "Active Side of Infinity"Chapter were Carlos tells story about his 2 girl friends.

[Bob Carr]

Yes, the Nagual does recommend a Light Touch. Similar to the ideas of sustainable Ecology. I try to avoid running over animals when driving, using don Juan's teaching about scanning the horizon; at least, when I can keep my head up.
Now, my issue here is about Castaneda ;was he false, was he making it up?
I don't really care.
Why?
Because the empathies, the emotions, the MOOD ascribed to don Juan, are universal and well worth thinking on.
MOOD is an important issue.
As I explore this, in relation to the Bible and Judeo/Christianity, I find that the MOOD, attitude is in fact lighter, less MORBID (a word that don Juan is quoted by , often) . In other words, rather than condemnation, emphasis on possibilities , and, common failures is don Juan's focus.
Throughout these books, the misery of the human race , as well as the wonder of creation, which humans are Blind to, is a Theme which drew me to them in the first place.
Morbidity is a serious focus. A regular Soap Opera of Human behavior. Continual complaints about issues which a Warrior could confront and Struggle with if he had Impeccability!
Who , Me?
Yeah. All have failed. We all seek the Nagual, the Spirit that will remove the Mud Shadows from our eyes so that we can see the beauty of Eternity.

So, maybe Castaneda failed. Seems likely. He was so determined to maintain his STATUS in Society/ Academia.
Ha! He should have taken up Organic Gardening . Yes?
As for myself, I am inspired from other sources, mostly Native American , and, Leftist , Unionist political thought.
Cesar Chavez of Venezuela covers both.
I once mentioned the Ghost Dance; an emotional attachment for myself. As I studied it, I found that it had origins in Christian belief. The Indian Prophet walked that extra mile, yet still was massacreed at Wounded Knee.
The Indian way is now almost extinct.
What an Eden they lived within! Everything they needed for a good life was provided by the Grandfather Spirit.
WE are stuck in the destructive torture of the Foreign Installation!
Well, according to the Nagual Sorcerers Stories, somewhere, out there in Infinity, the Great Chiefs, and their People, even Crazy Horse, the great Dreaming War Chief, still live in VICTORY!
Perhaps don Juan's idea of Freedom was that WE can go there, we can BE there, by moving the Assemblage Point; ie: a new Perception backed by Impeccable Action and Habits, supported by Controlled FollyHawkeye and Crow

[Bob Carr]

"..let your soul and Spirit fly, into the Mystic."--


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