Death as an Advisor

[SelfHealedMadman]

~All you have is this window of dreamstate tonal being which
can slam shut at any moment. The question is, what are you going to do with it?
Once you come to deeply appreciate this question, your life goes into a kind of
cascade meltdown. Everything in your life gets dropped except your life itself.
Then the game is on and all this stuff starts making sense. 


That's when you find out what it really means to think, and
why most people never do. That's when you begin to see what it means to be
asleep, and that virtually everyone is. That's when you begin to see what it
means to say that people are all children, and insane children at that. That's
when you begin to see that all emotions are energetic attachments and that they
all stem from fear. That's when you begin to see self importance and ego and
delusion and understand who and what these are and where they dwell and how it
works. That's when you begin to see that nothing is wrong, that wrongness isn't
possible and that the wrongest thing you can think of is no less right than the
tightest thing you can think of. That's when all these seemingly contradictory
statements stop being paradoxical concepts and start being the most simple and obvious
of observations. 


And that's when you're going to want to be able to focus
yourself like a laser, and that requires thinking processes like recapitulation
or death as an advisor. That's what it takes to succeed in an enterprise where
failure and mediocrity are so celebrated that no one remembers what success
looks like. 


No one's saying this stuff is easy. Actual progress is never
easy. It will tear your life all to hell, and that’s just the beginning. You
don’t make pretty sand mandalas and sweep them away to remind yourself of your
impermanence. You don’t try to figure out what your face looked like before you
were born. You don’t notice shiny things to enhance your awareness or count the
number of times you pass through a doorway. Maybe all you need is to lower your
defenses, a little at a time, over the course of a couple of years, like a slow
dying. But fast or slow, that's what it is: a dying. And what does all that
amount to? 


What do you get for all that suffering and disillusionment? Salvation?
Liberation? Nirvana? Freedom? No. it just gets you back to square one. 


It gets you back to the point where you went vertical
instead of horizontal, where you burrowed in at the age of ten or twelve. It
gets you out of the hole you've spent your life digging yourself into so you
can finally start your life. We're not even talking about taking a spiritual
journey at this point, we're talking about undoing the unspiritual journey. 


We spend our lives burrowing down into our own graves, like
that's a clever place to hide from death. This is about climbing out of our
graves and living our lives and discovering who and where we are and what we
are a part of, and you can't do that from the bottom of a hole.

[Kristopher]

~ 


Burn it all and see what's left. When we do that here in the
dreamstate, what we find out doesn't burn is death. That's what's left when
everything else is gone. Death is what survives. 


Here's something Emerson wrote: 


“One of the illusions is that the present hour is not the
critical, decisive hour. Write it on your heart that every day is the best day
in the year. No man has learned anything rightly until he knows that every day
is Doomsday.” 


“Write it on your heart.” Every day is the best day of your life.
Death gives definition to life. Death-awareness is life-awareness. Death denial
is life denial. Here's something Mozart wrote in a letter to his father: 


“I have formed during the last few years such a close
relationship with this best and truest friend of mankind that death's image is not
only no longer terrifying to me, but is indeed very soothing and consoling, and
I thank my God for graciously granting me the opportunity of learning that
death is the key which unlocks the door to our true happiness.” 


What we're talking about here is becoming conscious within
the dreamstate, waking up in life. We don’t need to talk about our years as an apprentice
shaman in the Amazon, or the time someone spent researching ancient parchments
in the catacombs beneath the Vatican
or the Topala, or becoming a Nagual or anything else. We’re talking about becoming
death-aware: plain and simple. 


The reason we get bogged down in all the weird and exotic
spiritual stuff is to avoid the up close and personal stuff. We search the most
distant places and times because we don't want to deal with the here and now. 


We eagerly subscribe to arcane, intelligence-insulting
belief systems because they are, by their very design, conducive to the
sleepstate we wish to maintain. Religion and spirituality exist to serve our
need for death denial. They serve as lullabies and drown out the ticking of the
clock. 


We spend our lives and our life force running away from this
monster we call death. This state of incessant denial takes all our time and energy.
That's where our lives go, that's how we spend them. That's what it means to be
asleep within the dream.

[Guest]

SelfHealedMadman wrote:No one's saying this stuff is easy. Actual progress is never
easy. It will tear your life all to hell, and that’s just the beginning. You
don’t make pretty sand mandalas and sweep them away to remind yourself of your
impermanence. You don’t try to figure out what your face looked like before you
were born. You don’t notice shiny things to enhance your awareness or count the
number of times you pass through a doorway. Maybe all you need is to lower your
defenses, a little at a time, over the course of a couple of years, like a slow
dying. But fast or slow, that's what it is: a dying. And what does all that
amount to? 

What do you get for all that suffering and disillusionment? Salvation?
Liberation? Nirvana? Freedom? No. it just gets you back to square one.
You are a terrible salesman. 
I'd like to show you what fun can do for your bottom line:
http://www.youtube.com/v/SByymar3bds&ve ... tube_gdata

[NagualHuman]

Yea Death is a monsters... you speak the truth absolutely!
Lets give our lives to the horrible monster!, anyway we can run away from it, its our destiny to be swallowed and shited out by a monster, true...our lifes means really nothing, lets jump into the jaws of monsters, yea lets kill ourselves, life is nothing, true, life is really nothing really, death is monster, yea death is the only solution! Lets go to the monster yea! lets forget the life, lets forget all that is there, yea the monster is better, yea lets jump into that pit of pain! Forget on Beauty - life is nothing, lets kill ourselves lets get swallowed by a monster!
MONSTER! MONSTER! MONSTER!

Man, do you listen to yourself sometime ?

I would not be suprised, if this is some kinda joke - if so then very good one! One of the best stalking oneself "nonsenseual side" to the full!
because otherwise you are just a sad emo...

I am may be dumb... but HOW THE *** DEATH CAN SURVIVE?

I thought that death is dead, otherwise how it could be dead ? Or unless there is someone who thinks life is a death, life is pain, life is just a grief and sorrow.

[serloco]

I have always held close to the death defiers. Always seeking a way past death to create soemthing that can live forever. Death has always been my adviser since i first started on my sorcery journey but in a different way. I have always believed that we can create with our awareness alternatives or solutions. Using my sorcery I have managed to rid myself of terminal emphysema, using a mind over matter technique that merges my awareness with my body. Since everything is awareness you can alter that awareness to alter reality. Naturally. I have battled the ageing process as well, and created a form of magic to reverse age, and accelerate age. I have always countered every thought of death with a thought of life, or a solution to the problem. But as time has gone by the notion that i am going to die is getting heavier on me to the point where i almost accept it as inevitable. This frightens me in way because of my success in countermanding death. During the miraculous adventure that has been sorcery I have learned many things, performed many feats that average man has not even the hope to perform. I have always secretly felt that men were dumb sheep all being herded into death by negative beings who have tricked the populace. When one has successfully shapeshifted into animal forms as I have it seems death is not so definite. In fact it is the only teaching from don Juan that I have never fully embraced. We are men and as such we are going to die. I prefer we are beings of awareness and will and as such can perform impossible feats. Anything is possible is my inkling. Why must we die? What if by accepting this fact we submit our will to death, and in the process will it into being? I have seen positions of awareness where everything in life is a choice we make. So here I am pondering my death. Do I continue to practice my death defying awareness or do i let it all go (for it is energy consuming) and accept that i am going to die?

[Mornings Son]

welcome Serloco
please share your experiences, knowledges and questioning.

[NagualHuman]

Hi, Sir Loco
Accepting the fact of inevitable death, we are at brim of nagual of consciousness in shape while in state of flow of death, two forms.

The Death Defiing techniques are only one part of "taking care of" the only force through which energy flow, only few actual death defiers as the death defiers who do not use the practises of the old, the energy of death is also circular, - life giving, but to accept that one must live without love for himself, beign innevitable on the brink of new life or new form of transmitted energy through the bodily awareness or the dream to which it anchors it viability at 2nd attention.
I had this sorta cliff-jumps experiences, and so far everytime it was just about taking it by the other-side, double better.

[serloco]

Mornings Son wrote:welcome Serloco
please share your experiences, knowledges and questioning.
Sure, and thank you.

I will elaborate on why I see people as sheep being herded into death. I see everything as being made of potential that we assign awareness to, giving form to it. In a way we will patterns into effect. We have the ability to cast any such pattern into reality. Or will them into motion. Everything has its own knowledge connected to it that plays a key factor in manifesting (or projecting) the pattern. Every object has its own pattern and knowledge. For example the manifestation of bacon`s pattern is often made to heighten blood pressure and clog arteries. The pattern has been cursed and accepted. We will these results as we are taught what happens. A diagram is given to us and we accept it as science. Now when I eat bacon i expect to have these symptoms. The spirit of bacon must be cleansed, or reworked. I remove the curses that go into to creating these patterns. It is a form of transmutation, using awareness to transmute the form. We have the potential to apply any pattern to the bacon, so why not make it power food implementing blessings. So many curses exist in our world, and yet with awareness you can catch them and rework them as they happen. I never accept negative knowledge into my being. I see manifestation as a sacred process.

[serloco]

NagualHuman wrote:Hi, Sir Loco
Accepting the fact of inevitable death, we are at brim of nagual of consciousness in shape while in state of flow of death, two forms.

The Death Defiing techniques are only one part of "taking care of" the only force through which energy flow, only few actual death defiers as the death defiers who do not use the practises of the old, the energy of death is also circular, - life giving, but to accept that one must live without love for himself, beign innevitable on the brink of new life or new form of transmitted energy through the bodily awareness or the dream to which it anchors it viability at 2nd attention.
I had this sorta cliff-jumps experiences, and so far everytime it was just about taking it by the other-side, double better.
Hello. And I agree death is circular, and force to be harnessed and used for great effect. The death of a particular pattern allows the energy within that pattern to be released so it can take new form. The same can be said about ridding self importance, we apply the forces of death to its pattern so that the energy can be put to better use.

I don`t think it comes down to losing love for oneself, at least not for me. I see it as controlled folly, and how best to spend the energy we have, which comes down to choices. Anything can be, and so i choose to keep the things that make me happy. Love in all forms is one of those things. I can love myself enoough to let go of nearly all that i am to experience something new, but i can still retain that experience, and that is the self that i love.

[NagualHuman]

what I written before was ment in jest ;]
I agree, life is about joy,magic and fun and little of devil.
For me works great shattering the self-importance with a other-selves-importance.

[NagualHuman]

When sorcerer dies, his whole awareness is transformed through fire within into his "other-side"
into his double, to that "dreaming" doing great deeds and feats, "flying" etc., is one way of practising gathering your totality, after the death, hole within.
It seems contradictional, but actually creating realm, a dream is only option through which the totality can sustain itself "after".
Because death is actually Life, if used that way,
for that one must give off the cloak of time, across the dark sea of awareness - time.
Its about beign in several dreams through one body, and also the dreaming mind, reason.
Depending on how much in one moment.

[serloco]

In a way i relate the totality of the self with the infinite potential that is the source of life and all things. The infinite potential to become anything and all things. I believe we are interconnected with all things, and the source of all things, to a point where we again return to the source. As all things do. Everything has lived and everything has died. Placing the totality of life and death at the same position in the end. Which is the new beginning. Death supports life in thei way as being the collecting force of all things. Therefor death is the true completion of life. Placing all things in the same point of time. The reaping of the harvest of life so to speak. Therefor reaching infinity. I believe that by splitting into new life the source create an eternity of creation and forms, and at the same time death collects them all so that the source is enrichened for eternity by all the life and possibilities fullfilled.

[NagualHuman]

When you dart beside the eagle, its about choosing the side - on which ends one goes,
either you get split by the internal forces i.e. dissolved in nagual as a parts of one more "definitive" whole
or you remain as a total beign as for that one must find the actual form of his awareness that is substantial for the growth, or detremental as that is the effect through which death defiing master of the circular force "stays" and grows across infinity, the four dimensional projection the reality is actually only one burrow on the wheel of time, for sorcerer who strives to remain "intact" by stomping force of death, knows that light is the scale or a "plane". Its all the time about balancing the two forces dissolvate and unite or the core, but actually the first paradigm on which awareness works is "create", "co-exist" or "hunt". when applying these aspects of stalking on the feeling or "seeing" of the flow which take place in reactions, the totality of self a.k.a the double, or the other is pertained within the whole oversight of now, like standing on the edge.

[NagualHuman]

Thanks Kris for your wisdom.
There is one effective technique - dying right now.

[NagualHuman]

Death is of no importance, only thing that is of importance is the effect that it has
sorcerer is someone who creates a world of rules out of bound of usually habitated context,
that means death - to be elsewhere.

Death blow into us the void, that reorganise the known facts and make us understand that the life in any form is pointless and endless, just a distraction trying to swallow us,
Death shifts the conscioussness deep into sober state of own will, beyond need to validate - death allows to kill the world how we know it,
paradox is that can be made only by replacament, there is no energy that can be lost or dispersed utterly,
it can only shift elsewhere, that can be made only via purpose an intent, which is so strong, yet abstract,
that it allows to kill the world an redeem the power with which we were born - to dream,
every second deeper.

The problem comes,
when death becomes another piece of inventory,
meaning that what all this topic is really about is the striving to live in nagual.

My benefactor once said to me
"If you are able to be afraid of yourself, not in the sense of lost,
but in the sense that you do not know what comes next, or who will you become, you see the death.
That is all death is about - accepting the innevitability of shift.

[Guest]