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from Dzogchen - the body of light (wikipedia)
Some exceptional practitioners such as Padmasambhava
and Vimalamitra are held to have realized the Great
Transferrence (Wylie 'pho ba chen po, pronounced Phowa Chenpo).
This is an advanced Phowa practice. The individual does not die at
all, but his or her physical body gradually disappears for an external
observer[30],
while being able to exist and abide wherever and whenever is pointed by
one's will.This sounds familiar to what DJM and his party did. I find it very interesting to have another account of the phenomena.
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I don't know about Vimalamitra, but Padmasambhava is said to be physically immortal, as in, still walking among the living.
There are, of course, many accounts of siddhas from tibetan and hindu traditions dissapearing and even burning in kundalini fire, leaving a linga behind (or nothing).
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One of the abilities of a nagual is to shift their assemblage points and major shifts will make the body on earth disappear while the nagual transforms or travels beyond human perception.
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Tibetan authorities of the Nyingma or "old" School , which was founded by Padmasambhava don´t believe in the physical immortality of Guru Rinpoche. They believe , that he realized "only" the rainbow body. The core practice of the Nyingma school is Guru - Yoga , union with the perfect state and divine qualities of Guru Rinpoche. It is one of the higher Tantras, called MahaYoga. The dissolvement of the physical body into the astral body , is symbolized by the colours of the rainbow, which represent the subtle essence of the five elements earth , water, fire, air and ether after the purification of the material elements. The impure or karmic human vision is the equivalent to the assemblage point of the tonal. The pure vision is the major shift of the ap. There are many records of advanced tibetan yogis who realized the rainbow body and left only hair and fingernails (regarded as impure elements ) in their meditation cell. The realization of the rainbow body is regarded by Tibetans as one of the highest possible spiritual goals.
The physical immortality of Guru Rinpoche is an interesting thesis , which cannot be denied on the basis of the tibetan biographies of Padmasambhava. The reports are ending , that after he did his job in Tibet he went to an continent in the southwest , to deal with some really bad guys called the rakshasas ( blood - drinkers ). Blood-sacrifice was part of the black - magic rituals in south-america at the time of padmasambhava and sadly continues to exist still in our times.
Physical immortality seems to be a still higher attainment or greater shift of the ap beyond the third attention of the new seers.
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isnobad wrote:Tibetan authorities of the Nyingma or "old" School , which was founded by Padmasambhava don´t believe in the physical immortality of Guru Rinpoche.The physical immortality of Guru Rinpoche is an interesting thesis , which cannot be denied on the basis of the tibetan biographies of Padmasambhava. The reports are ending , that after he did his job in Tibet he went to an continent in the southwest , to deal with some really bad guys called the rakshasas ( blood - drinkers ). Blood-sacrifice was part of the black - magic rituals in south-america at the time of padmasambhava and sadly continues to exist still in our times. Physical immortality seems to be a still higher attainment or greater shift of the ap beyond the third attention of the new seers.
The fact that Tibetan authorities of any or all sects and lineages of Buddhism are authorities clouds any real perception as for the whereabouts of Guru Rinpoche. Authorities have the tendency of not wanting others above them.
I still love to mention how the loving and benevolent lamas and people of Tibet being persecuted almost to extinction by the chinese government was a karmic repercution of some of them supporting Hitler's manslaughter.
Not everything that glitters is gold.
As for physical immortality itself... Don Juan putted it in the most daunting of ways:
"The power of man is incalculable. Death exists only because we have intended it since the moment of our birth. The intent of death can be suspended by making the assemblage point change positions."
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The Blue Cliff Record wrote:
Before his death he said to his disciples, "Grasping emptiness and pursuing echoes wearies your mind and spirit. When awakened from a dream, you realize it was false; after all, what matter is there?" When he finished speaking, he died, sitting at rest.
Dying is an integral, necessary part of manifesting in human form. The only reason to try to avoid it is because it is feared.
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i like your authoritative post gonzo. and then it says "is that so?"
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Heh. I didn't notice that....gives it a different flavor.
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Is that so? Like lobster stuffed with tacos...
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