Is the death final ?

[seeitall]

take an average man, maybe no religion at all.
what happens after he dies ?

[Castor]

Don't know.
But, if energy is permanent, if it is constant, if we are energy then how can we die?
We maybe die as a human, but something maybe stays after our body goes. We are made of energy and that energy transforms into another form. So maybe we do desintegrate, our consciousness maybe does disintegrate and all that we were as a human falls apart, but energy remains in the universe, directed somewhere else and helping to maintain certain appearances.
Who knows, maybe the powerful ones have enough power to remain in the same form of consciousness.
Castor

[seeitall]

>But, if energy is permanent, if it is constant, if we are energy then how can we die?
well, death is a name of certain energy reconfiguration.
as an example we may take this physical world, when
your physical body dies, it's pretty dead, there's
no more evolution for this particular body and it is
recycled by other organisms. So my question was,
if the same apllies to our energy body, our soul,
spirit (if there is such a thing), or if somewhat
our "individuality", continues after death.

[HerbaMatey]

See it all existing before birth
Know it all existing after!
Our body is a collection of minerals held together by energy. The energy can still create worlds beyond the gross death!
See it all as a bunch of tonal words.
UnKnowing it all is unfathomobly vast energyscapes.
Thank you for the survey!

[Bob May]

"Lest the silver cord be loosed and the spirit returneth to God from whence it came."
There is a "second death" or death of the soul mentioned in Revelations. Not all go through it though.
It sounds like something similar to what you are saying;
The soul (all that makes us human) can be destroyed but the spirit (energy) lives on.
In this sense, being "saved" would be both spirit and soul surviving.
In this same sense, (the biblical sense) the person who died without belieiving in Jesus would experience the second death, or (death of the soul) and be no more in an "individual" sense.
Those, on the other hand,(who do believe in Jesus) do not "taste of the "second death". Similar to those who "slip past the eagle", they would live on. Both soul and spirit.
The silver cord being loosed and the "spirit returning to God from whence it came" could also be looked at as the same or similar event as those who Do Not "slip past the eagle", but are devoured by him.Bright Flame

[DoktorGreen]

Many interesting comments. Mine??? Don't sweat it. Think about living. Move yourself to every possible point of awareness. Attend life and it will grow in you. Attend death and you will find it. Even so, no big deal. The awareness beyond this individualistic existence is wondrous!! To be aware of the totality as well as the spec of awareness is a tremendous lift for the ocean of consciousness. Its what we do here.For the Standing Mother,
DG

[Vrill]

I'm with you Dok, I think if you live like that there's nothing to worry about.

According to Tibetan Buddhist teachings the opportunity arises for everyone at the moment of death to obtain liberation, and this continues to be available every day for 40 days, as the soul is between births for that period, called the Bardo or until one chooses a womb-door.
Generally death is such a disorienting and disconcerting affair that one chooses a womb-door out of fear.
Now ... if one is fearless and has unbending intent then one recognizes ones True Nature upon death and is liberated. Soul continues on past Samsara, or the Kalachakra, wheel of Birth and Death. If one becomes frightened then one seeks refuge by the inviting appearance of the womb-door.
This explanation makes sense to me, but I think there is more to it.
In Fourth Way teachings they belief that one can crystalise an individuality that can live on after death, but this crystalization may or may not live on permanently. They also speak about recurrence.
The fact is we don't really know, most of us, but unless we become warriors we are in fact doomed.
What's behind womb-door number 3?

[Abramelinn]

Don't worry. Eventually you will find out...like we all will.
What's the use of theorizing about it or quote religious texts?
No use at all.
Abe.

[seeitall]

It's not about worrying but about knowing and to be prepared
or act accordingly. when you choose to believe you're
immortal , your acts will be probably different than when
you think you have only a few years to spend and then
game over (no heaven, no reincarnation, ...)
see it all
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fear nothing because everything will be forgotten
like tears in the rain.

[Abramelinn]

Quote:when you choose to believe
Exactly: when you choose.... that's all you're left with, because you don't know.
We can choose to believe accounts of an after-life (heaven, hell,nirvana, reincarnation, inorganic realm), and we can choose to believe there's no after-life at all.
I agree: whatever you choice will be will influence the way you live your life.
Abe.

[True Dream Binder]

Who can say for sure except those who have passed on but I do like to believe there is something beyond death.

[seeitall]

the trick is we really dont know anything for sure.
will the sun rise tomorrow again ? I duno know.
if I jump out of the window right now,
will I die on the ground or will I turn into an eagle
and fly into the sky ? I'm not sure. so I have to choose
to believe in certain things that are important to me for whatever reason. And what's after the death is somehow
important to me.

[Aranno Way]

I've got some good inquiry but I have to find something that I have to refere to but I will find it soon.

[True Dream Binder]

Quote:And what's after the death is somehow important to me
Me too. It's also mysterious to me.

[T Screen]

is there life after death? not sure.
has any one seen john edwards talk about his connection to those who have passed? it s worth checking out.
ps ( not john edwards the politician but the tv host from 'crossing over' )

[Aranno Way]

Yes I beleive there is life after death.
All you have to do is reach the second attention and you will see the flow of energy in the universe also where you fit in the vast sea of awareness and what it takes in the form impeccability to attain the state of awareness to perceive such a marvle.
If anyone wants to inquire to enter the second attention please ask?
The problem that most people have is that you have to kiss your cozy world of simplicity good-bye and take the stance of a warrior at that point to either sink or swim in this most mysterious world.

[Mornings Son]

I recall severeal lifes before Birth
boats in the sea of Lifeenergy
There is no 'Death' and no 'Birth'
MS

[Aranno Way]

There is many descriptions of the world that people accept as the orgin of thought as to how things started and end and where we go when someone dies and you can refer these different opinions as Sytnax.
Everyone knows there own Syntax to one extent to the other.
The Warrior Syntax according to Don Juan is stated as follows.
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Did the universe really begin?
Is the theory of the big bang true?
These are not questions, though they sound like they are.
Is the syntax that requires beginnings, developements and ends as statements of fact the only syntax that exists?
Thats the real question.
There are other syntaxes.
There is one, for example, which demands that varieties of intensity be taken as facts.
In that syntax nothing begins and nothing ends;
thus birth is not a clean, clear-cut event,but a specific type of intensity, and so is maturation, and so is death.
A man of that syntax, looking over his equations, finds that he has calculated enough varieties of intensity to say with authority that the universe never began and never end, but that it has gone, and is going now, and will go through endless fluctuations of intensity and that one can board it to journey through changes without end.
He will conclude all that, and much more, perhaps without ever realizing that he is merely confirming the syntax of his mother tongue.

[seeitall]

Quote:I recall severeal lifes before Birth
The question is Who's lifes were that ? Yours ? or mine ?
And how do you define yourself when everything is One ?
Quote:There is no 'Death' and no 'Birth'
Is there anything at all then ?
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Give me Freedom or give me Death

[charlila]

me too, i remember few crumbles from past lives.
i rckon evryone does - once you focus and recognize this particular energy in dreams, you can start building your archive.

[Guest]

Some feel that we are part of a single source and all past lives are our past lives. There is no other past life in the ultimate sense.

[Guest]

No, there is a sequel. After you die you find yourslef waitin for Death Part 2.

[Guest]

are all sold out D">

[Mornings Son]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg0tOj6GRGY




a comment from Khrisnamuthi on Death




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[two lizards]

i agree the notion of finality itself is the question. is anything ever in a true state of being or is it constantly reforming and changing and we only are
able to grasp phases of those ever fluctuating positions which we associate with being concrete. i feel everything is a manifestation of the same intitial
intent expressing itself through all organisms which change and probe for the benefit of the enhancement of the universe at large. so death in this
understanding would be one of the many concrete associations we make with the ever changing fluidic universe we are in, in essence it is one of the recognized
phases of change that are truly extracted from the multitude of constant repositioning taking place. i feel one is able to maintain their position if they are
able to detatch from the concrete phase they have associated as the self. that being who we are here, can we let go and fluidially become something more? or
do we adhere to the familiar for comfort and stability? seems to be the question in life and death. death can be a birthlike experience leading further into
the mystery we share with our universe it can be an inward expansion, a "definitive journey of return, " as juan matus has called it.