Serious Sex Talk

[Bob May]

Hawkeye Crow wrote: Ernest Holmes' Science of Mind, the basis of 'The Secret' says that we go into the next life with the consciousness we achieved in this one. Christianity claims to bypass that through the forgiveness of Jesus, but I bet there's still a pecking order! Hell, only the dead will really know.

I'll grant Jesus this truth: in one of the Gospels, when asked about marriage in the afterlife , he made it clear that it is not a physical world. Sorry. No sex there. ( priests, nuns and Toltecs have no sex HERE, and for some of us, that's just our fate, HA!) To me, this gives some substance to the idea of bypassing the Eagle.

Come to think of it , this forum could use some SERIOUS talk about sex. Hear that Arnway? I said serious , not posturing . Those who get laid don't need to talk about it, and probably don't dare to.

I am celibate. I gave up. It's fate. Let the Spirit decide.

To go into the unknowable is dangerous.
(edited to make this post not stretch the width of the thread)

[Bob May]

Hi Bob and others. I reposted your post to start a new thread on this subject.

Sex is energy that can be used. Don Juan said it should not be wasted. So did my teacher and many other teachers.

Celebacy that is forced on someone leads to all kinds of problems in my opinion. I blame that man made rule for a lot of the problems in the Catholic church. Their priests are victims of this forced law and the children then become victims of the priests. This rule of celebacy is man made. It only came into used about 400 years after Jesus was here.

Paul said, "better to remain single than marry, better to marry than burn." But he also said that not every man could recieve this teaching. He is showing three types of people here. Or rather three ways of looking at life.

Some have spiritual progression as their main purpose in life and would transmute this "Creative Energy" by certain practices. They would go far because they are using this creative energy for fuel and transmuting it.
A married person can also transmute this sexual energy because it is used during a loving act. The sexual act in marriage can teach us a lot about Union with God, though on a much lower level.
Someone who is "burning" is not making use of the sexual energy, but is stiffling it. Just as with siffling anything there can be problems.

"I am celibate. I gave up. It's fate. Let the Spirit decide."

I also have gone through periods of celebacy. Both voluntary and involuntary. Both during marriage and while single. It is not fate. It is a choice.
But it is not some virtuous thing and it does no good unless you find certain practices which help you to transmute the energy.

My opinions only.
(edited to make this post not stretch the width of the thread. subsequent edits are for the same reason)

[grandspeculator]

1. Naguals make it real simple: If you are the product of a boring ***, you will have little sexual/desire/creative energy. If you are the product of a passionate, loving ***, you will have abundant sexual/desire/creative energy.

2. Depending on the amount of sexual energy that one has a person needs to be celibate or not to work his/her way in the beginning of the path. Once the process begins normal fucking just slows it down, but doesn't stop it.

3. Mens have a double problem. They loose both sexual and vital energy in fucking. Womens don't loose vital energy but they may waste sexual energy. Sexual continence solves this.

4. Sexual energy can be cultivated by stimulating the sexual chakra.

5. Abundant personal power or the rise of the kundalini shakti increases sexual energy. (one of the most common signals of the rising of the kundalini)

6. Sexual energy can be used for creative purposes, higher cohesion, moving the AP and/or simply to ***.

7. Tantrics use the sexual act to arouse and feed the kundalini-shakti, for magic, moving the assemblage point or for intense pleasure that leads to heightened awareness.

8. If you are men and advanced enough sexual continence becomes natural and fucking is no longer an energetic issue.

9. The new issue among tantrics is choosing the right partner: Fucking involves exchange and merger of energy... if you *** a beautiful, big breasted lady that is psychically insane you will poison your vital-energetic body... even if it is a loving ***.

Even crazy-ass ***-as-many-as-possible tantric gurus ignore this small fact and end up fucking themselves.

If you want to *** and be a spiritual person you will need right partner(s).

10. Finally... sex is not such a big deal! ***, don't... but don't be obsessed with it!

PS: I would like to thank my parents for fucking like frisky animals in my conception. At least they did ONE thing right!

[Blue totem]

In my experience, you can have an active sexual life, and have high levels of energy at the same time.




You can cultivate chi, an spend it. It will come back, if you have a healthy life style.




I`m not saying to indulge in wasting your energy, but spend it once and a while. Sex is not bad.

[ARNWAY]

Interesting and a most serious topic I agree.

My parents told me of the time that they had sex when I was conceived and it was when my father went on a hunting trip for a month out west in the mountains to hunt for Elk and Mule Deer and was told before he left for the trip that they had a *** fest and when my father came back my mother was pregnant, from all the other six children that they had they remembered when they fucked to have me.

I have abundant sexual energy and when I have sex with my wife for over an hour at a time at times I have my best dreaming energy and found that after good sex I had my most profound dreams.

[mollymarie]

a little well known fact here....9 out of 10 male warriors proclaims themselves as not a product of bored sex...lol, go figure.
An interesting quote, not to be over looked. On a side note perhaps if obama was a juanist, he wouldnt be a supporter of baby killing.
"Is it from the moment of conception or from the moment of birth that
awareness develops?" I asked.
"Awareness develops from the moment of conception," he replied. "I have always told you that sexual energy is something of ultimate importance and
that it has to be controlled and used with great care. But you have always resented what I said, because you thought I was speaking of control in terms of morality; I always meant it in terms of saving and rechanneling energy."
Don Juan looked at Genaro. Genaro nodded his head in approval.
"Genaro is going to tell you what our benefactor, the nagual Julian, used to say about saving and rechanneling sexual energy," don Juan said to me.
"The nagual Julian used to say that to have sex is a matter of energy," Genaro began. "For instance, he never had any problems having sex, because he had bushels of energy. But he took one look at me and prescribed right away that my peter was just for peeing. He told me that I didn't have enough energy to have sex. He said that my parents were too bored and too tired when they made me; he said that I was the result of very boring sex, cojida aburrida. I was born like that, bored and tired. The nagual Julian recommended that people like me should never have sex; this way we can store the little energy we have.
"He said the same thing to Silvio Manuel and to Emilito. He saw that the others had enough energy. They were not the result of bored sex. He told them that they could do anything they wanted with their sexual energy, but he recommended that they control themselves and understand the Eagle's command that sex is for bestowing the glow of awareness. We all said we had understood.

[grandspeculator]

mollymarie wrote:a little well known fact here....9 out of 10 male warriors proclaims themselves as not a product of bored sex...lol, go figure.
An interesting quote, not to be over looked.Haha, who knows! If he is a tantric it doesn't matter anyway.

If you *** and dream fairly well it's not a coincidence. Boring sex or not, fucking to much fucks you up spiritually, regardless of how well and much your patents used to screw.

[Blue totem]

I question the fact about the boring sex.




I don't believe that the intensity of sex could affect the outcome of the siblings levels of energy.


I respect Don Juans knowledge but... It`s a hard pill to swallow.




Gess I would have to be a seer to really know.

[Hawkeye Crow]

I was in an odd state of mind when I started this, somewhat flip about it too.

I 'm an odd bird as I was conceived in trickery , raised in brutality. Maybe that's why I'm pro-choice on contraception and /or termination of pregnancy. Of course I am aware of what CC wrote about it. Cohorts of sorcerers don't have children. None mentioned in the 10 books , other than recapitulation.

Just today I was thinking that it isn't that I don't like children , I just don't like other people's' children. I have none of my own. Those people I know who have kids just get creepier, to me at least. Maybe they're losing their edge.

I don't know. Keep exploring, maybe I'll learn something.

[Bob May]

"Those people I know who have kids just get creepier, to me at least. Maybe they're losing their edge."




Funny those people that have kids think those that don't get creepier too.




"On a side note perhaps if obama was a juanist, he wouldnt be a supporter of baby killing."




How would you like that on your conscience/karma. To sponsor a bill that allowed/required doctors to kill them once they are out and crying.


Now THAT is creepy. Given enough time that practice and all who sponsored it would pass up Hitler's record.

[Hawkeye Crow]

Bob May , in all honesty, no such thing has ever been considered outside of FASCISM. It is PROPAGANDA. Your fears are being manipulated by master black
witches.


For various health reasons, both physical and mental, average human women may need to have an abortion. It is not for you or I to decide.


Again , I repeat, no AFTER BIRTH KILLINGS are LEGAL. Look it up, and I don't mean Rush Limbaugh.


You are a victim of FI.




And by the way, late term abortions are RARE , usually do to LIFE and DEATH medical issues.

[Hawkeye Crow]

I have yet to perfect the Light Touch of Nagualism




My correction is that I speak as a North American, where Infanticide is illegal. If Infanticide is being committed here, I want to see proof. I don't
mean dialog from politicians , preachers or pundits. I mean medical and police records. That is not to say that some will get away with murder. **** happens.
Of course, America is rife with domestic and child abuse. Priests abuse kids while the church leadership preaches against abortion and prophylactics. Hmm.
Maybe they need new flesh. Same for fundamentalist Mormons where boys are abused in all kinds of ways because of the competition for girls in a polygamist
society. Just examples of Collective FI mind.




Infanticide? Look to Asia and Africa, where girls are a burden to a family. If the babies aren't killed, they're sold to Pimps and westerners with
sexual obcessions. Male chauvanism abuses women and children worldwide , and then women react with their own forms of FI.


South America? Irresponsible sex , political and criminal murders have deposited thousands of homeless children on the streets of Brazil. Paramilitaries
round them up , kill them and dump the bodies with the garbage.




Here's a new Collective for you. No one can turn a back on these things, divert to inane issues. YOU are as responsible as the Perps, for YOU sink into
Apathy and disillusion. (I don't mean Bob May specifically) What I'm sayin' here is that although we must be dispassionate, we still have
responsibility to the Spirit. That means to get smart and not be misled by an FI feeding frenzy. That means to have some understanding of the difference
between foolishness and REAL criminality. Each of us, starting with our own self-importance, can make a difference in some small way ( at least where allowed
as other's self-importance may block your efforts).




Think! Find your own possibilities beyond the self when able. Yes , I recognize Bob May's work in that area, but self-righteousness cannot be a part of
it. Hell, there may be nothing that can be done about our situation other than to try. Death IS waiting and life goes on with you or without you.

[Bob May]

"On a side note perhaps if obama was a juanist, he wouldnt be a supporter of baby killing."




"How would you like that on your conscience/karma. To sponsor a bill that allowed/required doctors to kill them once they are out and crying.


Now THAT is creepy. Given enough time that practice and all who sponsored it would pass up Hitler's record.


My correction is that I speak as a North American, where Infanticide is illegal. If Infanticide is being committed here, I want to see proof. I don't mean
dialog from politicians , preachers or pundits. I mean medical and police records. That is not to say that some will get away with murder. **** happens."




You want proof don't ask me for it. visit the dumpsters behind abortion clinics.







"Bob May , in all honesty, no such thing has ever been considered outside of FASCISM. It is PROPAGANDA. Your fears are being manipulated by master
black witches."




No fears, just disgust.




"Infanticide? Look to Asia and Africa, where girls are a burden to a family. If the babies aren't killed, they're sold to Pimps and westerners
with sexual obcessions. Male chauvanism abuses women and children worldwide , and then women react with their own forms of FI.


South America? Irresponsible sex , political and criminal murders have deposited thousands of homeless children on the streets of Brazil. Paramilitaries
round them up , kill them and dump the bodies with the garbage."




More disgust!!!




"Here's a new Collective for you. No one can turn a back on these things, divert to inane issues. YOU are as responsible as the Perps, for YOU
sink into Apathy and disillusion. (I don't mean Bob May specifically) What I'm sayin' here is that although we must be dispassionate, we still
have responsibility to the Spirit."




How did I even get mentioned in the above list of atrocities? Including ANY type of abortion?




"I mean medical and police records. That is not to say that some will get away with murder. **** happens."




I suppose you want these records from China, Bazil, Asia and Africa and everywhere else too. Good luck getting them. And then you can do what with those
records? If late term abortion or any abortion is LEGAL, then the records are of no use in stopping these practices.




I will vote. That is the tool I have at my disposal. If the countries you mentioned also got that right they could do something about their problems in
those areas.




"My correction is that I speak as a North American, where Infanticide is illegal."




To go from illegal to legal begins with conversation and debate. To change the definition of INFANTICIDE is the easiest way to change the law. It happened
with abortion it will happen with so called "late term abortion" if it not stopped. A human life starts at Conception. Not 7 months into fetal
growth or 5 minutes after the baby is out of the womb.


If it keeps going the way it has, it will be ok to kill a baby as long as he/she doesn't have a name yet.

[mollymarie]

Cohorts of sorcerers don't have children. None mentioned in the 10 books , other than recapitulation.
I suppose there is a reason you are not counting La gorda?

[Hawkeye Crow]

Moralism , dogma , fear and misinformation from the Christian radicals.




For what its worth , Obama did no such thing. Where's the proof?




Now , the original topic: perhaps a selfish question on my part concerning the lusts and hangups of very obvious average humans, a place I have found myself
in up to now. Sometimes it seems to me that so-called love is just a meeting of agreeable FI's.




Leadership: that is what the Nagual is about. It's not a configuration that just anyone can wield. That means that the Nagual lives a different life from
others in order to be beyond emotional or collective concerns, so that decisions are dispassionate. Then again, what about the Nagual Julian? He naver gave
up his sex life, apparently, and if you consider his times, some form of birth control , herbal likely, was used..




Sorry folks, it's my opinion that the Nagual is about Smart vs Stupid, Cause and effect, not knee-jerk religious viewpoints that have no basis outside of a
book. Sure , books have wisdom to find, but the truth of that wisdom is within ourselves , not in a legalistic word.




Yeah. Legalism. Not justice . Not understanding of the problems of the lost. Dogma that just loves you until you are born, and then subjects the being to
abuse of all kinds , which I named some of previously and of course was ignored. That's how FI works. Keeps people focused on a system rather than actual
sensibilities. A system that blocks a true 'higher self. ' That's why I have an interest in Amerind culture . They didn't have these kind
of ridiculous problems before Columbus brought greed , murder and Christianity. The Indians embraced their Mother and Grandfather and were naturally born into
a self at least higher than Western Man. What the hell do you think the Sorcerers were trying to survive? Christian missionaries.




Oh , I see the the other places WERE addressed after all. What can I do about it ? Go there in dreaming as super Nagual and smite the evil-doers? While
American soldiers are ordered to torture and murder women and children. Man, your priorities are all out of order. And, if you study it carefully , you will
find that a lot of these third-world problems were exacerbated by the colonial , imperialist policies of Western powers

[mollymarie]

lmfao

[Nagual LoneWolf]

Sexual energy is like everything else..how we use it , store it, and make it with our intents.

[Hawkeye Crow]

This line is dead and a waste of energy.

I intend to address FI on the thread devoted to that in a few days . The short of it is that FI is anything that comes between you and Spirit. That is , a 'screen ' , agents, interpreters, authorities, nations , on and on.

As to the politics and theologies, it's all LIES. As to Barak Obama, that stuff about him is lies as well. Here's a sample. In the 2000 US election, particularly in the South Carolina primary election, agents favorable to W Bush spread rumors that John McCain had a negro child, implying that it was from an affair outside marriage. The FI tookroot, the fools believed it and McCain lost to Bush. The child was actually an adopted Cambodian, but FI turned a kind act into a SIN. Slick sorcery , eh? Don't believe me, look it up for yourself, if you have the energy. A black love child? That went down real well here in the south. People perceive what they want to according to their 'training ' by the FI. The FI needs slaves, if you can accept what is in "The Art of Dreaming".

[ninth octave]

I believe the FI's are somewhere in between the mind and heart.We miss the mark by 18 inches.
More than likely the breeding ground of FI's . The **** that comes out of the mouth is the source of

FI's . Spilt milk, unresolved matters stirs up the IB's realm. To me it sounds the same as "spiritual

warfare"that the NT writes about. . "For we wrestles not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,

against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So important yet so hard to become a humble warrior.

[Bob May]

Amen to that brother!

[Hawkeye Crow]

The FI is a false mind. Thought blocking Spirit. It's in the books, but I don't cite the books. I cite the gong that went off in my ear that said, 'Yeah , that's true.' Sex has become and always was, likely , just another commodity of trade. Everybody just takes , nobody gives, therefore, no satisfaction (I can't get no...). No freedom, all kinds of judgements (why are you doing that, don't look at me, that's perverted! etc etc etc) Even the whores judge the johns. The result: children born of a few minutes of desperation that nobody knows how to deal with, at least in a harmonious manner.

Sure there are exceptions . I don't know them , probably have nothing in common with them. Most people I see are totally unaware , as I was myself. And no , my requirements were not so far out or illegal , and I can't be more specific than that here. OK , one specific, I like the light on while she wears her hat. HeHEHe. But seriously, I would end up frustrated and then indulge with my own FI.

Another thing: don Juan says that sex is only for babies. I don't have to agree with that, I'm not , or likely to be a Toltec apprentice. I can still advance awareness , though. In fact, these women that use fertility drugs and have litters like a cat? Gross!

[heluka]

yet, julian died, and the others who saved , lived on to the south.

[Bob May]

I just submitted this Kirilian photo To George Noory from Coast to Coast AM radio.
I don't know whether or not he will post it but I thought you all might find it interesting.
 
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Back in the mid-seventies I attended the Esoteric Christian Church Pastored by the late John Scudder. It was located in Richton Park Illinois.

There we studied the "Mysteries" of the Bible, Qabala, Mystic Christianity, Meditation and Healing. I met my wife, Dawn, there.

We have been happily married for almost of almost 29 years now.

Being that John was our pastor he performed the marriage ceremony. We decided to do and experiment.

I had helped my friend Brad Crooks to build a Kirilian camera from an Edmund Scientific kit and we decided to put it to the test.

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It gives fairly concrete evidence of Gen 2:24.

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