Intent versus Will

[serloco]

transitions wrote:
i see that will is the 'what' and intent is 'how' i achieve it..
Yup, that is right, it is how I see it too we just used different words.. basically.

[serloco]

billy wrote:
Even of serloco's fluid mastery...intent permeates living fiber.

 
Ha!! Ive not ya beat, I have deen the living dead before with a decaying and dead form and life, and also undead too!!! na na nana na!! *sticks out tongue*

[Billy]

serloco wrote:
billy wrote:
Even of serloco's fluid mastery...intent permeates living fiber.


 
Ha!! Ive got ya beat, I have deen the living dead before with a decaying and dead form and life, and also undead too!!! na na nana na!! *sticks out tongue*
No serloco--your visit to indifference is in a void neutral to life and death.  Only in the emergence can bridging happen.  The active crossing intent, even over to death, denotes a 'cubic centimeter of chance.'  Is not that a living infinity?  I mean, don't get too technical about the 'eagle's' threads being called fibers. 
  OR, tell me of intent when in the chasm of non-descript meaninglessness with no such chance/choice.

[serloco]

I was just teasing you billy.. Yes Infinity is alive as i have seen and taught many times, everything is aware indeed, even in death.

[shamanka]

serloco wrote:transitions wrote:
i see that will is the 'what' and intent is 'how' i achieve it..Yup, that is right, it is how I see it too we just used different words.. basically.
then you realise that's self reflection, and that it is still personal....
maybe its to stalk what isnt will and what isnt intent..and then that  might lead you to the 'unknown' xx

[serloco]

nope, although i saw the state I could never intend nor becoe aware of any place that has no choice nor chance..

[serloco]

shamanka wrote:
serloco wrote:
transitions wrote:

i see that will is the 'what' and intent is 'how' i achieve it..
Yup, that is right, it is how I see it too we just used different words.. basically.
then you realise that's self reflection, and that it is still personal....

maybe its to stalk what isnt will and what isnt intent..and then that  might lead you to the 'unknown' xx
I merged myself with the raw eagles emanations and became omniresently merged wih pure intent/will and choice, it was and is for me freedom. All things and all time existing at once. A balance of life and death.

[serloco]

nah I can see I assure you

[serloco]

there my personal intent and will were devoured and lost and i was at one with all things..

[Billy]

Julio Juliopolis wrote:
Will is widely meant as a honed determination.  Will does not transfer to usage in higher echelon of personal power. 

Reason's logic suffices for all grounding as basis for intent.  What can 'will' add here in its character of determination? 

When seasoned in the warrior's way, presumably one has the grounding derived from logic > one then ventures......   ... 

Such adventure {practice} is the domain of intent (not will)

Intent moves beyond definition and determinancy; by essence it already subsumes necessary qualities.

Practice will until your face turns purple, and good luck with that.

Grow up 'meta mind' julio.  Awareness and intent BABY (teasing you)


For Castaneda lovers, the seven principles of stalking are applicable here:  1) know the battleground   2) simplify the choice   3) it's all {life} or nothing {death}   4) abandon yourself   5) totally emerse in momentary 'distractive' retreat   6) ***compress that objectivity moment in return to awareness***    7) mainstay the objectivity as to watch from afar

*** this is DJ's 'plucking the cubic centimeter of chance' in void to form    For serloco, this is the 'bridge' {SEEING (and utilizing) the nansecond of void to intent (indifference to formed attention)}.

serloco's acuity pertains not only to the stalked objectivity point as fruition, but he advances further > he affixes attention to the bridge (shift of void to form happening) to intend within intending a medium for mastering subtleties of outcomes.

[serloco]

Thanks for the mention billy, as always i love praise and good seeing.

[Julio Juliopolis]

Lotsa good stuffs in here. Thanks everyone! Now, can anyone tell me what exactly are will and intent? 
Spoiler alert! That last question is what the pros call "stalking facepalms"
Odd thing though, I think I agreed with everything everyone wrote in here. Seems like y'all are saying the same thing from different positions. Or maybe I've just gotten worse with words. Anyhow the following seems to be a bit useful to me...
Will... concentrated effort, requires a lot of energy, direct path to attainment, centers around self, must be maintained until effect occurs. The force that causes the muscles to flex when lifting a heavy weight.Intent... unconcentrated effort, requires little energy, abstract path to attainment, does not center around self, magnetically maintains itself. The force that allows the weight to be lifted.
Because intent requires much less effort to have great effect, will seems almost pointless. But I wouldn't suggest abandoning it altogether.
billy wrote:Grow up 'meta mind' julio.  Awareness and intent BABY (teasing you)Spirit led me to become so meta mind. And being meta-mind has led me to where I'm at on my sorceric journey, (in a few notable ways before realizing I was doing anything typically shamanic or what-have-you). But awareness and intent! Sounds fabulous. I'm workin' on it.

[Billy]

Julio Juliopolis wrote:Lotsa good stuffs in here. Thanks everyone!
Now, can anyone tell me what exactly are will and intent? 

Spoiler alert! That last question is what the pros call "stalking facepalms"

Odd thing though, I think I agreed with everything everyone wrote in here. Seems like y'all are saying the same thing from different positions. Or maybe I've just gotten worse with words. Anyhow the following seems to be a bit useful to me...

Will... concentrated effort, requires a lot of energy, direct path to attainment, centers around self, must be maintained until effect occurs. The force that causes the muscles to flex when lifting a heavy weight.
Intent... unconcentrated effort, requires little energy, abstract path to attainment, does not center around self, magnetically maintains itself. The force that allows the weight to be lifted.

Because intent requires much less effort to have great effect, will seems almost pointless. But I wouldn't suggest abandoning it altogether.
billy wrote:
Grow up 'meta mind' julio.  Awareness and intent BABY (teasing you)Spirit led me to become so meta mind. And being meta-mind has led me to where I'm at on my sorceric journey, (in a few notable ways before realizing I was doing anything typically shamanic or what-have-you). But awareness and intent! Sounds fabulous. I'm workin' on it.

[serloco]

The two sides of the forces of the eagle's emanations are made of life and death. everything is life and death both, in a balance.. now one side is energy generating and the other takes away, and in essence turns over the old life into a new direction.. yes everything is intent and will, but you can equally say that it is life and death.. all things are and all things are not, and in the place of pure will and intent is the choice to be made, everything is on hold until you made the decision, the choice. when you do the universe will move.. this is to be free and have perfect controlled folly. every outcome is out there, right there, waiting for you to move into.. you give life to your dream, your tonal, the nagual.. the life you hold within you is actively aligning to the emanations because the life you give something is the will you are intending to sustain.. when you intend change or fluidity you are using the forces of death and life together. some call it light and darkness, form and formlessness, however you can equally say it is life and death.. for even our days are reflected into day and night, a cycle of the forces of the eagle, of God.. everything perpetuates infinity and in ding so creates every possible outcome to your life to behold and to experience.

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