Hidden Hand Interview Interview With Hidden Hand, Alleged Ruling Bloodline Priest

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Hidden Hand InterviewInterview With Hidden Hand, Alleged Ruling Bloodline PriestThe unusual interview below is with an individual claiming to be a member of one of the ruling bloodlines on Earth who goes by the name Hidden Hand. Though some pretty useless information is given, the interview also gives a powerful, transformative perpective of what is happening in the big picture on our planet. You are encouraged to be skeptical, yet open to what is presented. Some of the information, particularly in the early part of the interview, is clearly just fear-mongering, yet other parts are quite powerful and thought-provoking. Key sections are highlighted in bold.
Note: A 16-page summary of the most important parts of this 60-page interivew is available here.
For an even more concise, four-page summary of the Hidden Hand interview, click here.
The Hidden Hand interview provides intriguing answers as to why there is so much war and violence in our world, and why some leaders are so corrupt and cruel. As you read this message, though you may find some inspiring truths, consider that significant parts may be more metaphor than reality. For instance, the "harvest" mentioned may be just a metaphor for what happens to each individual at death. The quote immediately below is a sample of the fascinating ideas raised.
"Remember, always, that this is a beautiful game that we are playing here and co-creating together with our Infinite Creator. And that off stage (between lives), we are the very best of friends, and that no one really dies and no one really suffers, except in the game. The game is not reality. Reality is reality. And you have the power to express your reality within the game, once you have learnt how to do so."
Window of Opportunity
Topic started on 18-10-2008@ 09:05 PM by Hidden-Hand
I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family.
Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief windowof opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required tomake communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us anyquestions you would like answered.
I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creatorto offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by theLaw of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much Iam able to say.
Rules define life in games.
If you wish to participate, here they are:
1). I will afford you courtesy and respect in the manner I address you, and Iexpect the same from you in reciprocation.
2). I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answeryour question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannotdisclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or moreof the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it wasotherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.
3). That you agree to treat this potential dialogue with an aspect of"provisional faith". In practice, this means that rather thanimpeding the flow of information with crass comments of disbelief or petty namecalling, my participation here requires of you that you discourse with me under"suspended judgment". In other words, wait until the process iscomplete, before deciding for yourself as to the content of truth and knowledgeimparted herein.
4). That you formulate your questions intelligently. My time is limited. I donot want to waste it by having to trawl through pointless, futile, insensibleor disrespectful questions, therefore I will answer the questions I feel aremost deserving of a response, during the time that I have available. Use thetime we have wisely.
If any of the above conditions are breached, I reserve the right to terminateour discourse forthwith, if I so choose.
That being said, I will attempt to answer your questions as honestly and openlyas is permissible for me. I will check back and respond as time allows.
 
posted on 19-10-2008 @ 12:10 PM Hidden_Hand
My original account has notreceived it's email validation, hence the new one I am now using.
A good start. Thank (most of) you for respecting the boundaries I have set.
I answer as follows:
"1) How many generations back does yourbloodline extend, or, perhaps more accurately, who does your family considerits earliest ancestor in a position of power?"
Our Lineage can be traced back beyond antiquity.From the earliest times of your recorded "history", and beyond, our Family has been 'directing' the 'play' from behind the scenes, in one way or another. Before the rise and fall of Atlantis. (Yes, that was indeed perfectly real). We are 'born to lead'. It is part of the design for this current paradigm.
"2) To what extent has selective breeding beenused to preserve the purity of the line? and what becomes of children ofunapproved unions? (They would naturally still be raised with privilege, butnot, perhaps "given the keys to the castle" as it were?)"
The breeding is generally case specific, dependant upon the role that theFamily members in question are due to grow into. I will touch more on this inanswer to the next poster's question that you rephrased.
There are no unapproved unions. Our Family will always intermarry betweenlines, or, what we would term 'Houses'. Marriages are arranged. In all my years alive,I have never seen or heard of a Family member breaking this code, as far asmarriage goes. You do as you are told. One cannot 'join' the Family. One is'born', or incarnated into it.
On the rare instances of a child being born that could be seen as bringing'difficulties', you are correct in your premise, that it would be raised aspart of the Family, though would not grow up in the house or community ofeither of it's parents.
"3) If one were to imagine a scale, perhaps asa triangle with Political, Religious and Corporate power at the three points,how would you categorize the power your family yields? (Balanced? Leaning moretowards one or two than a third? Heavily favoring one of the three above theothers?) And has that position shifted over time?"
You need to first understand the structure of the Family. In the grand schemeof things, the Line is not as important as the House, the House, is not asimportant as the Family. The Family is all. No matter the House or Line, we areOne (truly international) Family.
Imagine if you will, a body. A House would represent a vital organ or body partwithin the Body itself. Each part has an important role to play in thefunctioning of the whole, and to each of us, the 'whole' has our undividedloyalty. As I say, many lines, (far more than you are aware of), One Family.
Our realms of influence do not fit as comfortably into the three boxes of yourtriangle as you may imagine. There are six disciplines of training within the Family, and each member ofthe Family is schooled extensively in all of them, from early childhood. We allhave an area of specialty, though we have experience in all spheres. The sixspheres or 'schools' of learning are Military, Government, Spiritual, Scholarship, Leadership, and Sciences. Inpractice, out there on the 'stage' of public life, we hold key positions in allof these main areas of importance. With the addition of a complicit Mediamachine and ownership of your Financial establishments, all bases arecovered.
I will have to reply in parts, due to the restriction of characters per post.
"Which Ruling BloodlineFamily.... Rockefellers?
That may be a bit too direct for our inquisitee. I'd offer the followingsubstitute:
How many parallel bloodlines do you estimate are in similar positions to yourown, and to what extent does your family see them as either competition orcollaborators?"
Yes, as I say, knowing the line isof no practical use to you. It is the belonging to the Family that isimportant.
There are 13 'base' or 'core' original bloodlines. Yet there are many many other lines that spring from these, as do rivers from the oceans. If you imagine the 13 Original lines as Primary colour, that can be mixed to create a vast array of other colours, then you will have some comprehension. Again, no competition, just Family.
No competition in the sense of House against House, though it is a 'dog eat dog' world. So there is interpersonal competition in that sense of the word. Everyone wants to move up. Our whole Familial society is geared that way, toward upward progression.
"What does the term " generational member" mean? Which generation specifically??"
It means that one is born into the Family. The Order and it's agenda is handed down, from generation to generation. Only in extremely rare occasions, have outsiders been invested into the Family, and then, even these were of other 'esoterically' integrable lines.
"1) Can you cite two or more previous instances whereby this directive has been upheld?"
Once in 1999, to what you would call an 'alternative' media source.
Once in 2003, on another internet "conspiracy" based forum. Though the information relayed was not entirely 'pure'. Not from the intention of misleading, but rather through imperfect or incomplete knowledge of the messengers.
If it is not in the mainstream controlled media, it will not be believed by the masses. This is information tailored for those who already know that we are very real, and exerting a strong, if mostly subtle, influence over your lives. If you wish to enslave a man, allow him to believe that he is already free.
"2) By what basis is the timing of such revelations established?"
By the decree of the Supreme World Council, according to the Will of the Creator.
"Are we really consideredchattel and traded as such by the government?"
By the governments, generally, yes. People are seen as 'collateral'. Pawns thatare maneuvered around the chess board, according to the game plan. By the Family,contrary to popular beliefs, many of us do not mean you any harm directly.There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold, and we must playour parts in the game, as given to us by the Creator. In many ways, it isactually in our own interest that you are prepared for the coming Harvest.
Just not maybe prepared in quitethe way that you would like. Still, even then, you are choosing the NegativePolarity with your own Free Will decisions, with a little 'help' and directionfrom us. Souls are Harvestable in either 'extreme' of the Polarities, one couldsay.
"If so, how do we become freemen?"
You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, isindication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is verylikely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to anunderstanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so,before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat thecycle.
"Is the Messiah alive today?"
There is no "Messiah". Stop looking outside of yourself for'salvation'. Is there what you might call a 'Christ Consciousness' alive, then yes, in amanner of speaking. Though not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness.
reply posted on19-10-2008 @ 12:20 PM by Hidden_Hand
"Is it the end-times, as described in the bookof revelations?
Yes. Not just described in the Book of Revelations, but alsoin the prophesies of virtually every religion, spiritual philosophy, and mystery traditionthroughout history. This time is now at hand.
To use your own example however:
Revelation 14:14-16:
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like theSon of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who saton the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You toreap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 So He who sat on the cloudthrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
The 'earth' is indeed ripe for Harvest. The question is, who will be ready? Andwill the Harvest be Positive, or Negative?
"How do you justify that the current Britishroyal family line is the true bloodline, but Ishmael is not the true receiverof Abraham's gift? If you're true bloodline, you'll know what I mean."
Who says it is the 'true' line? There wereRuling-Bloodlines long before your 'Yahweh' and his 'Christianity' arrived onthis planet. Yahweh is 'a' Creator, not 'The' One Infinite Creator. There areother and Higher 'gods' than him. Ultimately, All, are a part of The One, andeither consciously, or unconsciously, exercising their Free Will to Create.Begin to study 'outside of the box'for a True understanding of the Creation.
The British Royalty is not the most powerful line. The names that you know, donot hold the real ancient power. There are others above these lineages in theHierarchy. You will not know the names of these lines.
"OP, what proof do you have that "rulingelite families" exist and that your a member of one? Its something that Ithink you thought was not falsifiable, which is why you chose that identity forthe story your weaving - however, I think there may indeed be a way you canprove it."
I have no need toprove anything to you. I am merely doing my duty as directed to me. Believe, ordo not believe, we are divinely indifferent. I am obliged to complete this taskhere. The end result is of no consequence to me. I will have discharged myduty, in handing down certain information that must be released at this time.There is no stipulation as to where I do so, only that I do. I chose Above Top Secret, as the general level ofintelligence, comprehension and reasoning is reckoned to be higher than in manysuch forums.
Understand, due to the Law of Free Will, I cannot just give you information, atleast not without consequences to my own person which I would rather avoid. Itis an infringement upon your Free Will, your right to not know. You have to askme for the information you want, only then can I provide it. So whilst thereare important things I have to share, if I am not asked the questions, I cannotget that information to you. I am hopeful that synchronicity will bring the most importantquestions of real 'depth' out from among you.
My duty is to offer. Yours is to ask. My duty is fulfilled, whether or notyours is.
"Surely if ruling elitefamilies exist and you're a member of one then you must be controlling globalevents through world governments - tell us 1 major government action from anycountry that going to occur in the next 5 days. I won't be surprised when you refuse to do so."
I am not at liberty to discuss such intimate immediate detail, and in manycases, I am not far enough up the Hierarchy to know anyway. Typically, I wouldreceive a call a day before the enactment of a major event, just to saysomething along the lines of 'this part of such and such a plan will take placetomorrow, in such and such a way, do not be alarmed'. Also one has to take intoaccount, the specific areas of specialty I mentioned previously. My area is in Spirituality, so my focus is not so much onGeo-Political events. I am aware of the overall design, though the finer pointsare not often my area of expertise.
I am prepared to give you some things coming down the timeline, that you will be able to look back upon, and verify my predictions retrospectively.
The Stock Markets will soon complete their controlled demolition. After an initial 'appearance' that the 'bail outs' and 'rescue packages' have steadied the ship, there will be new record lows by the end of the month.
Our Financial Institutions will later call in all loans. There will be many bankruptcies and foreclosures.
The only way John McCain will become the next President, will be if something "happens" to Barack Obama before the election. If there even is an election. If a certain faction get their way, there will not be. Remember, behind the scenes, there is only One Party. Our Party. 'Democracy' is an illusion which is created to uphold your slavery. Whichever side 'wins'; the Family wins. There are many possibilities and alternative 'scripts'. All of them lead toward the ultimate implementation of the overall blueprint of our Creator,
Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008/early 2009, along with a new Union of nations. January has been spoken of in some circles, as the latest, though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much earlier than initially hoped for. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this will play out. I am not high enough up the Hierarchy to know the intimate details of the dates and times that far in advance. There is a 'tree system' in which such knowledge is passed down, as and when it becomes 'need to know'. I would be considered to be a "Regional" leader. Above me, are National and International.
San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play, and which timelines are activated. Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you putout.
Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), inyour hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state yourplanet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served upfor you on your televisions that you are addictedto, violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news',fear and 'terror'. When was the last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is,because of your collective thoughts about it.
You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice. Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose. It is very important to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others. We require a Negative Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.
There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvestapproaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. Therewill be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission inlate 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, andsubsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international)metropolitan areas underwater.
That is all I have time for at present. I have a Sacrifice I must attend now.
No, not really [just kidding].
Let's see if we can increase the 'depth' of enquiry and question matter in thenext session. Seek beyond the superficial. Get to the 'Core' of the matter.
 
reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 11:46 PM by Hidden_Hand
Ok, a lot to get through here, so please let me finish the many posts it will take to answer your questions (due to the limit on characters per post) before you reply, so as not to interrupt the flow of the message..
"How do you know thatyour bloodline deserves to lead and the rest deserve to follow? Wealthand power is self-propagating therefore I say to you that your bloodline onlycomprises the 'extreme elite' of the world because your ancestors came to powerby chance in the beginning, not because your kind are special. In fact, there'snothing special, clever or honourable in enslaving others."
It is not about 'deserving' or not. Does one 'deserve' to be born English, orAmerican, or Italian, or French, or German, and so on? We came not to power by'chance', but rather, (which I know may be hard to swallow) by intelligentdesign. This path of ours was not 'chosen' by us, but rather it was appointed,and accepted.
"Who is your "creator" and is your"creator" the same as our "creator"?"
This is an excellent question, which I can use to draw our communication closerto the 'Core'.
Yes and no. You would first need to understand the Creation.
In the Beginning, there is The Infinite One. This is the Source of All.Intelligent Infinity. It is the undifferentiated absolute. Within It, isunlimited potential, waiting to 'become'. Think of it as the "uncarvedblock" of your Taoist traditions.
Infinite Intelligence, becoming 'aware' of Itself, seeks to experience Itself,and The One Infinite Creator is 'born', or 'manifest' (This appears to your 3rdDensity comprehension as "Space"). In effect, the 'Creator', is apoint of focused Infinite Consciousness or awareness, into Infinite IntelligentEnergy. The One Infinite Creator also becoming self aware, seeks too toexperience Itself as Creator, and in so doing, begins the next step down in theCreational spiral. The One Infinite Creator, in focusing It's InfiniteIntelligence, becomes Intelligent Energy (which you could call the GreatCentral Sun), and divides Itself into smaller portions of Itself, that can thenin turn experience themselves as Creators (or Central Suns). In other words,each Central Sun (or Creator) is a 'step down' in Conscious awareness (ordistortion) from the Original 'thought' of Creation. So "In thebeginning" was not "The Word", but Thought. The Word, is thoughtexpressed and made manifest as Creator.
There is Unity. Unity is All there is. Infinite Intelligence, and InfiniteEnergy. The two are One, and within them, is the potental for all Creation.This state of Consciousness could be termed as 'Being'.
Infinite Intelligence does not recognize it's 'potential'. It is the undifferentiated absolute. But Infinite Energy recognizes the potential of 'becoming' all things, in order to bring any desired experience into 'being'.
Intelligent Infinity can be likened to the central 'Heartbeat' of Life, and Infinite Energy as the Spiritual 'Life-blood' (or potential) which 'pumps out' for the Creator to form the Creation.
This image may assist your comprehension:

Creation is based upon the 'Three Primary Distortions ofThe Infinite One'.
1). Free Will:
In the first Law (or distortion) of Creation, the Creator receives the FreeWill to know and experience Itself as an individuated though (paradoxically)unified aspect of The One.
2). Love:
In the second Law of Creation, the initial distortion of Free Will, becomes afocus point of awareness known as Logos, or 'Love' (or The Word in biblicalterms). Love, or Logos, using It's Infinite Intelligent Energy, then takes onthe role of co-creating a vast array of physical illusions ('thought forms') orDensities (which some call Dimensions) in which according to It's Intelligentdesign, will best offer the range of 'potential' experiences in which It canknow Itself.
In effect, the One Infinite Creator, in dividing Itself into Logos, could betermed in your 3rd Density understanding as a 'Universal Creator'. In otherwords, Logos, creates on a Universal level of Being. Logos creates physicalUniverses, in which It and the Creator may experience theirself. ("Let there be Light")
3). Light:
To manifest this Infinite spiritual or 'Life-Force' Energy into a physicalthought form of Densities, Logos creates the third distortion, of Light.
From the three original Primary distortions of The One into making the Creation, arise myriad hierarchies of other sub-distortions, containing their own specific paradoxes. The goal of the Game is to enter into these in further divions of Creation, and then seek to harmonize the Polarities, in order to once again know Oneself as the Creator of them.
The nature of all such physically manifest Energy, is Light. Wherever thus exists any form of physical 'matter', there is Light, or Divine Intelligent Energy at it's Core or Centre.
Something which is Infinite cannot be 'other than', or 'many', An Infinite Creator knows only Unity. Thus, drawing upon It's Infinite Intelligence, the Infinite Creator designed a blueprint based on the finite principles of Free Will of Awareness and sub-level Creations, which in turn, could become aware of themselves, and seek to experience themselves as Creators. And so the "Russian Doll" style experiment was 'stepped down' and down and down. Levels of Creation within levels of Creation.
The One Infinite Creator (or Great Central Sun) steps down It's Infinite Energy to become Logos. Logos in turn designs vast Universes of Space (as yet unmaterialized), stepping down and splitting Itself again, into Logoi (plural), in other words, into an array of Central Suns which will each become a Logos (or 'co-creator') of It's own Universe, with each unique individualized portion of the One Infinite Creator, containing within It as It's very essence, Intelligent Infinity.
Using the Law of Free Will, each Universal Logos (Central Sun) designs and creates It's own version or perspective of 'physical reality' in which to experience Itself as Creator. Stepping down again, It focuses It's Intelligent Energy and creates the unmanifest form of Galaxies within Itself, and splits Itself into yet further 'co-creator' portions ('Sub-Logos' or Suns) which in turn will then design and manifest their own ideas of physical reality in the form of points of Conscious Awareness that we call Suns Stars and Planets.
 
reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 11:53PM by Hidden_Hand
A 'planetary entity' (or 'Soul')begins the first Density of experience, into which another individualizedportion of The One can incarnate. Just as with all Logos and Sub Logos ofCreation, each Soul is yet another smaller unique portion of The Infinite One.At first, the Intelligent Energy of the planet is in a state that you couldcall 'chaos', meaning that It's Energy is undefined. Then the process beginsagain. The planetary Energy begins to become aware of Itself (the 1st Densityof awareness is 'Consciousness'), and the Planetary Logos (sub-sub-Logos ineffect) begins to create other downward steps within Itself, and the internalmake up of the planet begins to form; as the raw elements of air and firecombine to 'work on' the Waters and Earth, thus arising consciousawareness of their 'being', and the process of 'evolution' begins, forming the2nd Density.
2nd Density beings begin to become aware of themselves, as being 'separate',and thus begin to evolve toward the 3rd Density of self-conscious-awareness,(the lowest Density into which a 'human soul' can incarnate).
Humans in turn (or the Souls incarnated within them), seek to 'return to theLight' and Love, from which they came, as they begin the journey ofprogression, from 3rd Density up to the 8th Density, and the return to TheInfinite One-ness.
Explanation of the Densities beyond 'normal' human consciousness is anotherquestion though, so if you wish to know more about them, someone will need toask an intelligent question which I can respond to, so as not to impinge uponyour Free Will not to know.
So, having set forth the above, I can return to further elucidate on youroriginal question:
"Who is your "creator" and is your "creator" the same as our "creator"?"
As I said, yes, and no. Ultimately, every living thing (and all things are living) is created by the One Infinite Creator's initial Universal Creation. So yes, taken from that perspective, The One Infinite Creator focuses It's Infinite Intelligence into an awareness point of Infinite Energy, and brings the whole of Creation into Being, though, we are not directly created by the One Infinite Creator, but rather by our own Logos', Sub-Logos, and Sub-Sub-Logos and so on. So from that perspective, whilst we are all essentially 'made up' of the same 'stuff' of Creation, initiated by the One Infinite Creator, our actual personal Creators are different portions or Sub-Logos of The One. In other words, yes, our Creator, whilst originating from the same Source, is not the same entity as your Creator.
Which brings me on to a question from another poster (I will continue with your other questions afterwards, but this enables me to indirectly answer the first aspect of your question without having to ask you to rephrase it, due to having to carefully dance around the Free Will issues).
"You say that you comefrom 13 original blood lines. Yet the DNA mapping project clearly proved thatall humanity desends from only 3. Does this mean you aren't human?"
An excellent question, thank you. Yes, that is correct, in a manner ofspeaking. If you were to meet me walking down the street, I would appear justas human as you do. We've been incarnating here with you for generations, yetour bloodlines do not originate from this planet.
"Your answer to the 6 disciplines of learning arequite similiar to a book about atlantis that was supposed to have beenchanneled. Was this also a time for your bloodlines to post answers?"
Yes, that is correct, again, in amanner of speaking. Other, shall we say "off world entities" alsovisited the planet at that time, and passed down their own understandings ofCreation as well as their 'technology', from what we could best describe asbeing 'a future aspect of yourselves'. It was Humanity's errors in handlingthis information that ultimately led to the destruction of Atlantis.
Having now answered a question on whether or not ourlineage is of Human origin, I can return to tie in that answer with anexplanation as to "Who is our Creator". I'm dancing close to the linein answering this, but the record needs to be set straight, and I should justabout be able to get away with it without incurring my own 'upline's'displeasure.
Let us get to the crux of the matter.
Your Creator, the one you have called 'Yahweh', is not "God" inasmuchas your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". He is 'a'Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not evena Galactic level Logos, but rather, is the Planetary Logos for this one planet.
Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer"and "Bright and Morning Star".
Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'.
Allow me to elucidate:
When an entity (Group Soul Complex) evolves to the level of the Sixth Density, it is by comparison to the amount of time it takes to get that far, a mere hop skip and a jump from 8th Density Ultimate Re-Union with The One Infinite Creator, and then from there, back to dissolution into the Source of All, Intelligent Infinity.
We (our Bloodline Families), as a Group Soul or Social Memory Complex (Lucifer), were on the verge of Seventh Density Ascension, though at this level, before Harvest comes, we have the choice to progress higher, or, to return to help others of lower densities with their own evolution, by passing down our knowledge and Wisdom (Light) to those that call upon us for assistance, with their own Free Will. Now, at this time, having made our decision to stay and help our Galactic Brothers and Sisters in The One, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the Guardians of this Galaxy from their Eighth Density 'Head Quarters' on the planet Saturn.
Yahweh, due to the fact that he had NOT (as was his right as Planetary Logos) handed down his own Free Will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon 'his' planet, was having very little evolutionary progress therein. So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "Fell", or Descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a 3rd Density manifestation of ourself.
Yahweh had agreed to our coming. In fact it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "Catalyst" of change to enter into his Creation, and share the knowledge and wisdom we had attained through our Ascensions. In the absence of Free Will upon the planet, there can be no Polarity, and therefore, nothing to 'choose' between. Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely 'paradise', yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey Home, to The One. Yahweh had been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance,running a benign dictatorship.
Without Polarity, (derived fromFree Will), there is only the Unity of Love and Light, and no choice toexperience 'other than' that. So, we were to be the Catalyst for change, inorder to provide that choice, thus bringing Polarity. Yahweh agreed that wewould introduce the concept of Free Will to Earth's inhabitants, by offeringthem an initial choice, as to whether they 'wanted' it or not. Hence, "TheTree of the Knowledge of 'Good and Evil'" (or more accurately, theKnowledge of Polarity, of Positive or Negative). Yahweh takes his inhabitantsto a new 'garden' and tells them you can do anything you like, except this onething, thus creating the desire to do the one thing they are told they cannot.Hence, a "Choice". We provide the Catalyst by telling them thebenefits of attaining Knowledge, they eat from the tree, and the rest ishistory.
Yahweh thought that his 'Children' would still choose to obey him, and when hediscovered they did not, he became angry. As he himself describes in hisscriptures, he is a "Jealous God", and he did not like it that his'children' had chose to disobey him, and follow our advice. We're already committedto being here for a predefined set of "Cycles" to help provide theCatalyst for Human evolution, namely by offering you the Negative Option, orthat which you choose to call "evil". Now that Free Will had beengranted, Yahweh could not retract it, and we have to stay here as contracted tocontinue to provide the planet with the Polarity choice.
Since then, Yahweh has confined us (as a Group Soul) here within the Earth's Astral Planes (which is very constricting and uncomfortable for a Being of our Wisdom and experience). The Council of Elders gave us the choice to be released (against Yahweh's will), but at the cancellation of our contract to Serve the planet earth; or to remain and fulfil our assignment, and endure Yahweh's self proclaimed "Wrath". We stayed, but as a karmic result of our Group Soul's confinement by Yahweh, our own individuated Souls were given the mandate (by The Council) to "Rule" over Yahweh's people during our physical incarnations here on your planet.
Let's be clear about one thing though. All of this (physical life / incarnation), is a very intricate and skillfully designed Game, whereby the One Infinite Creator, plays the game of forgetting who It is, so that It can learn to remember, and in doing so, experience and know Itself as Creator. All the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is. Off stage, and between "Lives" (zero-point time / anti-matter Universe) as incarnated "human beings", we, all of us / you (as Souls), are great friends. Brothers and Sisters in The One.
Between 'lives' we all have a great laugh about the parts we have performed in the 'play', and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out.
I hope that during the above answer, I have also adequately covered your question on "what is our interpretation of good vrs evil? If not, please say, and I will go into more detail.
"Can you elaborate on the"coming harvest" and what exactly you mean by harvest?"
I can. I will combine my answer to you with my reply to the following question:
"Is 2012 harvest time? When you speak of the harvest, it has echoes of Chaos Gnosticism in the sensethat we are divine souls trapped in the physical world, continuouslyre-incarnated into flesh until the time that we reach such a level of spiritual'gnosis' that we are able to avoid being re-incarnated in our next cycle. Isthis the foundation of your belief?"
Another excellent (and very insightful) question. Thank you. The higher the quality of the question, the more depth I can give to my answer.It all has to do with the Laws of Confusion and Free Will.
Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time whenthe Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru".
 
reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 12:01AM by Hidden_Hand
Read up on the Mayan Prophesies and Calendrical events formore detail upon how the actual Galactic and Universal Cycles work. The"Travelers" who gave them this information were the same ones who visitedthe the Civilization of Atlantis. The Mayans used that information by creatingwith the Positive vibration of the Polarity. The Atlanteans opted for theNegative.
Yes, to answer your question. There is much truth in some of the ancientGnostic texts, though there are also distortions. The information is not'pure'. It came through many 'filters'.
You are indeed what you call "Divine Souls"; you are sparks or seedsof The One Infinite Creator. You are Life Itself (Light), remembering andlearning who you really are (we came here to help you to do this) and yes,currently, you are trapped (or more accurately "Quarantined") withinthe 'matter' of this planet you call Earth.
You can thank your Creator Yahweh for that. You are the 'offspring' or individuationsof his Group Soul (or Social Memory Complex). Macrocosmically speaking, you AREYahweh. The 'Karmic' effect of his imprisoning us in his Astral Planes, alsohas an impact upon you. I cannot be more specific on this, without impinging onthe Law of Confusion. You must work it out for yourselves.
As for the question of can I elaborate on the coming Harvest, yes, I shall doso now.
Your planet abides by the laws of the Creation of your Galactic Logos. TheGalaxy runs on Cycles of time, known as the Precession of the Equinoxes. As Isaid, seek the Mayan Calendar for a deeper insight as to how the Galaxy runs(it is highly accurate), but for the purpose of this discourse, I will give abrief overview.
The Maya use an astrological cycle called the "Precession of theEquinoxes". This is a 26,000 year cycle in which Earth transits througheach of the 12 signs of the zodiac for about 2,152 years each. Each of theseastrological ages represents one month of the grand Cosmic Year. This "Mayan"cycle also corresponds to a 26,000 year relationship of the Sun (Solar Logos)orbiting Alcyone, the central star of our Seven Sisters Pleiades constellation.
The End of this Cycle, heralds literally, a New World Age, and a New Creation."A new Heaven, and a new Earth", and is the time of the GreatHarvest. Smaller Cycles yield a Harvest, and then life continues on the planet asnormal. Great Cycles yield a Great Harvest, and the end of current life on the3rd Density. See it as a kind of 'Cosmic jet wash' and deep clean, while theplanet takes a rest and regenerates herself..
When this Life-Cycle Ends, "All things will pass away, and All thingsshall be made new".
Collectively, Humanity right now, is growing, and developing, into the Beingsyou have long been encoded to be. Yet, as with any labor, it is not the motheror the baby who is in charge, it is the Primal process of Birth itself,unfolding it's own destiny.
So, December 21, 2012 AD, is not the day where all of a sudden the lights goout, and everything will suddenly change. Rather, we are NOW in the process ofthis transition, from one World Age to the next. The changes are underway andwill continue steadily accelerating as we head towards the culminating date.
The 26,000 year cycle is composed of 5 lesser cycles, each of which are 5,125years in duration. Each of these 5 cycles is considered its own World Age orCreation Cycle.
Our present great cycle (3113 B.C. - 2012 A.D.) is called the Age of the FifthSun.
This fifth age is the synthesis of the previous four. The initial date thatEarth entered the Fifth World, was August 13, 3113 BC, written in Mayan longcount notation as 13.0.0.0.0.
To help you understand this Notation:
13=Baktuns, 0=Katuns, the 2nd 0=Tuns, 3rd 0=Uinals, 4th 0=Kin
These are the Mayan words for the periods of time:
Day = Kin (pronounced: keen)
Month of 20 days/Kin = Uinal (wee nal)
Year of 360 days/Kin = Tun (toon)
20 Tuns/years = K'atun (k'ah toon)
20 K'atuns = Baktun (bock toon)
a Baktun is 5,125 years
13.0.0.0.0.
Every day from that point is reckoned by the number of days passed since theevent of this cosmic beginning point. Within the 5,125 year cycle lies 13smaller cycles, known as the "13 Baktun Count," or the "longcount." Each baktun cycle lasts for 394 years, or 144,000 days. Eachbaktun was its own Historical Age, within the Great Creation Cycle, with aspecific destiny for the evolution of those who incarnated in each baktun.
Planet Earth and her inhabitants are currently traveling through the 13thbaktun cycle, the final period of 1618-2012 AD. This cycle is known both as"the triumph of materialism", and "the transformation ofmatter."
On 13.0.0.0.0, the December solstice sun will be found in the band of the Milky Way, directly in the position of the "Dark Rift" in the Galaxy, forming an alignment between the Galactic Plane and the Solstice Meridian. We are about to enter into a literal alignment of the Cosmic, Galactic, Solar, and Lunar Planes. This is an event that has slowly converged, over a period of thousands of years, and is caused by the precession of the equinoxes. Kind of like a "turning" of the Universal Gears. It brings about the Great Harvest, and the return of the Lord of The Harvest.
And the planet will complete it's Ascension to the Fourth Density, thevibrational Density of Love. During this Ascension, there will be a three waysplit for those Souls inhabiting Earth. Those of the predominantly NegativePolarity, will accompany us as we Graduate through the Negative (or Service toSelf) Harvest. We (Lucifer) will Create a new 4th Density Earth, based on theNegative Self Service Polarity. We must 'work off' our own part of the NegativeKarmic effect incurred from all the Negativity created on this planet. Once wehave done so, we will be released to once again assume our place as SixthDensity Guardians and Teachers of Wisdom throughout the Galaxy.
Those of the predominantly Positive Polarity (Love and Light) will Ascend to a beautiful new 4th Density Earth, where you will begin to work upon yourlearning and demonstrating of Love and Compassion. It will be a very beautifuland "Golden" Age. The 4th Density begins to open you up to your TruePowers as a unique individualized aspect of The One Infinite Creator. You willperform works and wonders of the like that the one you call "Jesus"promised you would do "and even greater things than these". It willbe a very magical time for you.
For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be consideredshall we say "luke warm", they will experience a period of (what willfeel 'ecstatic') zero-point time, where you feel totally at One with TheCreator, giving you an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who you really are,before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you, and you will betransported to another 3rd Density planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'), tocontinue working upon yourselves and learning that life here is all aboutmaking choices.
You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest; in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings, focused more upon being of Service to others, rather than seeking only to Serve yourself. When you can do this, and the next Harvest comes, you will have earned the right to join us, and enjoy your inheritance, as a member of the Galactic Community, and you will sit with us as Brothers and Sisters of The One, around the table of our Galactic Governing Body, the Confederation of Planets.
Well, I have imparted much during this session, with thanks to the quality of your enquiries, and I must now take my leave for today.
If you have further questions on the Harvest you wish me to speak in more detail on, if you ask, I can answer. Or any other questions you have too on other matters, I will get to them all as time allows, as with the other (respectfully asked) questions here since I took these away with me to reply to earlier.
If time permits, I will check in with you tomorrow.
Editorial Note: Consider the possibility that the parallel planet scenario presented here may be more metaphor than reality. There are many living on Earth right now who experience their lives as a living hell. Yet there are also those living in the same physical reality of this planet whose lives are close to heaven on Earth. As Hidden Hand points out, our deeply held thoughts and beliefs create our experience of life. Focusing on an impending harvest or day of judgment keeps us from opening ever more fully to all that is available to us here and now in this ever-unfolding sacred moment.
 
reply postedon 21-10-2008 @ 01:36 AM by Hidden_Hand"1) A lot of what you write seems reminscent ofThe Ra Material, especially the concept of harvest, STSand STO choices, and intelligent infinity. (More information found herewww.llresearch.org) Have you read that?"
It is indeed extremely similar. We both originate from the Source of theInfinite Creator, and we both remember where we come from. I would expect ourmessages to contain the same Core Truths.
The messages of the Sixth Density Soul Group 'Ra' is the most accurateinformation in your mainstream circulation at this point in time. It isapproximately 85-90% accurate, from what I have seen. The material was broughtto my attention when it first came out, something like about 25 years or soago, if memory serves. I read a lot of it, but not all. I do not have very muchfree time for that kind of thing, with my many duties. Though others of theFamily gave it a close scrutiny to judge it's accuracy, and were very pleasedwith the end product.
Ra, in fact, is the group I earlier termed 'off world entities' of whichvisited the Mayan and Atlantean Civilizations. We are acquainted, and friends.Both our Group Soul's are at a very similar level of development / evolution.Both Sixth Density, nearly Seventh. But like us, Ra also chose the path ofService to our fellow Galactic Brothers and Sisters (you, and others), insteadof further progression Home. We would recommend that material for any who trulyseek understanding. Though, as I said, it is not 100% accurate, so take whatresonates.
"2) What function, if any, do alien abductionshave? Why are abductees chosen?"
That depends upon who is doing the "abducting". Most of what youhear termed as "abductions", are conducted by your own 'governments'.Especially the ones where the 'so-called' "Greys" are involved. Otherthan that, sometimes the Confederation will meet with certain incarnates herewho have a part to play in "awakening" others to the coming Harvest.These will always be positive experiences, and those who have them will feeluplifted and inspired by their contact.
Then there is the Orion Empire Group. Their purposes in visiting you are morealong the Negative lines. They mainly target the ones you have called"Lightworkers". They try to put them off their assignments and try tospread fear. They will not actually 'harm' you physically. Mainly their modusoperandi is to restrict you, and deflect you from your path. They often engagein psychic attacks that the 'Lightworker' is unaware of, but it does oftendrain away much of their energy, and make them lack motivation.
"3) Why do you want a negative harvest?"
It is complicated to put into words, and also I must be careful with what I sayon this. I've already had a "slap on the wrist", you could say.
If we do not have a Negative Harvest, we are bound with you for another cycle.Once this Great Harvest is completed, our Contract with the Council and ourCreator is also completed. In other words, we have done our duty, and would befree to return to our Fullest Expression, that of Sixth (nearly Seventh)Density Galactic Guardians, and ones who joyfully offer ourselves in Service tothe One Infinite Creator, and to our Brothers and Sisters across the Galaxy.
However, there is a problem. Well, you would call it a "problem", we call it a Challenge. I will address this later in more detail, in response to another question, but in short, we need a very high percentage of Negative Polarity, if we are to achieve a Negative Harvest. In other words, we have to be Self-Service-Centred to an extreme degree, in order to become Negatively Harvested. This is why we work so hard to be as Negatively Polarized as we possibly can be, If we do not make a high enough percentage, we will miss out, and will end up with the majority "luke warm" percentage, that have to go through another Cycle in 3rd Density.
By attaining a Negative Harvest,we can still "Graduate" to 4th Density, only it will be a NegativePolarity planet. Not a great place to be. But, as I've stated previously, we(as a Group Soul) have incurred the natural Karmic restitution process that wemust work off, for all the Negativity we have caused upon this planet. We willdo this for a Cycle in our new 4th Density world, and then we will be freed toonce again be the Glorious Being of Light that we truly are. We need a NegativeHarvest, so that we can create our 4th Density Earth, and clear our KarmicRecord.
Understand, that we HAVE to be Negative. That's what we were sent here to be.It is our contract, and it has always been to help you, by providing the"Catalyst" I spoke of earlier. Being Negative is very hard for us,not on a physical level, (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we'reprogrammed that way), but on a Spiritual level, it is hard. We surpassed thelowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are Light, and we are Love. It is a veryhard thing for us to do Spiritually, to create all this Negativity, but we doit because we love you, and it is for your highest good, ultimately. You couldsay, that it is our Sacrifice that we have made, in order to be of Service tothe One Infinite Creator, and to you, our Brothers and Sisters in the One.
Remember, we are all just acting out a grand old game here, where we agree toforget who we really are, that in the remembering, that we may find each otheragain, and know that we are One. That All of Life, is One.
"I must correct you here. The precession of theequinoxes cannot cause this. It cannot cause anything other than the way inwhich we here on Earth view the cosmos around us. It concerns the wobble of theEarth's axis and as far as I know does not relate to any other planetarybodies."
From a 3rd Density perspective, you are correct, it "appears" thatway. We do not look from a 3rd Density perspective. There is a 'bigger picture'at work that you cannot see.
"Regarding our enslavement, you seem to besaying - essentially - that as fractions of our Logos Yahweh, we are equallyresponsible for his decision to keep us trapped here on our 3rd density planetEarth. That's an interesting thought. In that sense our total freedom mustarrive through a collaborative spiritual effort."
From a certain perspective, what you say is correct. From a 3rd Density view,you see yourselves as being "separate" from everything. From a higherperspective, you see that is not at all the case. You and your Creator, areOne. As to your statement on your 'total freedom', you are not responsible forthose around you. You and they are all One too, when seen from a higherDensity, but in this Density, you are here to work upon yourself. You are hereto remember who you are, and why you are here. You are here to remember theInfinite Creator. To know your Creator within you, and to offer your Service tohim, and others, of your own Free Will choice to Serve. The one comes beforethe other. When you remember who you are, and you know it, deep within the Coreof your Being, you will know and recognize your 'invisible' connection to Allthat Is, and in so doing, Joy, and Thanksgiving, and Service, will be thenatural outpouring result, from your grateful heart. When you work upon yourself,and learn to know the Creator within you, being of Service to Others will benatural for you, and your Glorious Harvest shall await.
"One thing I don't get - and perhaps you can explain this to me Hidden-Hand- is why those who belong to Lucifer (and Lucifer himself) do not fight for thefreedom of all souls? If Lucifer represents liberty, freedom of will andknowledge, why do those who serve him not do as the Biblical Lucifer did andrebel against the tyranny of the Elders?"
This is a very good question, thank you. I will split it into two parts, andanswer the second part after this. Firstly, the Council of Elders are theabsolute opposite of tyrannical. They are the Wise and Loving Guardians of ourGalaxy. There is so much that one cannot understand from only a 3rd Densityperspective. When you reach higher Densities, you see that ultimately,everything balances, and there is only Unity. All else than Unity, is Illusion,or 'thought-form'.
The Council gave us a set of choices. We chose to stay here to help you, despite the cost to ourself. That is the nature of Loving Service to Others. The ultimate paradox in all this, is that in this storyline we are all co-creating together, in order for us to be of the most Service to you, we must be utterly self serving. I do so love our Creator's sense of irony.
As to the first part of your question, the biblical depiction of "War in Heaven" is not entirely inaccurate. I shall explain. Our initial contract, was to introduce the Catalyst for Free Will on this planet. When Yahweh initially began discourse with the Council of Elders, he was not initially looking for help with introducing Free Will, but rather for guidance on how he could best speed up his (and his inhabitants') evolutionary process. As I mentioned, he was running a benign dictatorship. We had at that time, just completed an assignment in Tau Ceti, and had reported for our next duties. We (as Group Soul Lucifer) were sent on a "fact finding expedition" as it were, to visit Earth, and meet with Yahweh, to evaluate his planetary Creation Laws, and make suggestions on how best he could help his "offspring" (this is the term I shall use to describe the Souls who comprise the Group Soul) and thusly Yahweh, to progress.
We explored many options, and reported our findings to the Council, and to Yahweh. It was our best evaluation, that the only real and fast track way to increase his evolvement meaningfully, was the introduction of Free Will. It was not specifically the implementation of Free Will that Yahweh wanted help with, it was simply the introduction of a Catalyst. He was not at all pleased with our report that he needed to implement Free Will. He was happy with his little pet paradise, and he didn't want to "loose control" of it. In the end the Council persuaded him that it was the best way, and he reluctantly agreed.
We returned to Earth, and had a cordial meeting with Yahweh, discussing how we could best implement the Free Will option. Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway, and that they were so contented with their way of life, that they would always trust him and do as he said was best. That, he said, was his "main reason" that Free Will would not work well as the Catalyst.
That's why he agreed to the experiment of the Tree of Knowledge. He believed it would prove him "right". When it did not, he became angry, threw his toys out of the pram, and his offspring out of the garden, and laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust and disobeyed him. That's not really an Honourable way for a Logos to behave, but hey, that's the beauty of Free Will I guess.
Next "problem" to occur, was that his offspring were so grateful to us for our help, that Yahweh became (in his own admission) a "Jealous God". Then we had the whole "you shall have no other gods than me" thing. We were not pleased with the situation at all, as a Logos should not be behaving like this with his offspring, they are One, afterall. When we attempted to leave the planet to return to the Council, Yahweh prevented our departure. We tried to leave again,and were then thrown down into the Astral Planes and confined therein.
The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. We didn't want to leave, we found them very likable Beings, really Positively Polarized, and we wanted to stay and help, we just wanted also to be free to come and go as we pleased. The only way we could stay, was to stay confined as a Group Soul, which meant Cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated Souls), which we had not done for a long while.
As I've stated before, there is no 'wrong' or 'right' seen from a Higher Density, but there are still consequences for every action. Such is the law of Karmic effect. The contract had already been made between Yahweh, us, and the Council for us to provide the Catalyst so we had a right to be there. The Karmic effect of Yahweh imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level, was that his individuated Souls would be imprisoned on the microcosmic level. The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of Free Will to Create as we choose, but the Karmic effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet. A certain evolutionary level is required to be a functioning part of a Positive Unified Galactic Society.
As for "fighting for the freedom of all souls", remember that ultimately, this is a Game, that we are all playing here. We are actors, playing on the "stage of Life". This 'world' is all illusion, or 'though-form'. No one really "dies", and no one is really hurt. In between incarnations, you know this very well. But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all 'real' whilst you are playing the game of Life. That is an essential prerequisite when you are making choices. Otherwise, the game would be too easy.
This world is not reality. Though we can express Reality in it, if we so chose.
"OK, so your family and fellow elites might be as entrapped in the Earthly realm as we are, but why actively propagate and aid the forces of enslavement."
Because that is the part we have been contracted to play, in this game. In order to "win" (or more accurately to be successful in) the Game, we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. Service to Self in the extreme. Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more, they serve our purpose. In the Game.
The difference between us and you, in the Game, is that we know that we are "playing". The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes. In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game.
"Something I found extremely interesting is theconcept of the Grand Age of Precession being split into five 5,125 year cycles.3113 B.C., the beginning of the current sub-age was a time of great activity.Is the construction of stone monuments in Western Europe, the Middle-East and Egypt at thistime related to the recogniton of this cycle? What was the purpose of Britain's stone circles and Egypt'spyramids? They are more than mere markers of an aeon-change. They must have hadsome enormous significance. Actually, something I'd most like to know is - Werethe builders of these monuments members of the enslaved masses who were tryingto understand the nature of existence, or were the builders members of yourelite bloodline?"
Yes, there is significance in these occurrences, according to the space/time oftheir happenings.The Group Soul Complex Ra, was the architect of thesestructures. They were Created from Thought. When one understands and sees thatall is Illusion, or Thought, one can "use 'The Force'' to manipulate theillusions. All things, seen and unseen, are inter-connected Life-Force Energy.Once you know what the magician knows, it's not magic. It's a 'tool ofCreation'.
Thank you for your questions, they were very insightful.
"It is your kind that has ruined the world.Thinking of yourselves are higher then anyone. If i saw you in real life, itwouldnt be pretty."
You lack understanding, not to mention eloquence. To understand"Higher", try thinking 'outside of the box' for a moment. If I amwalking along the ground, and you are flying above me in an airplane, does thatmake you better than me?
No. It just makes you Higher.
"I will see you in hell"
Be careful what you wish for. All thoughts and words are Creative.
schiass, thank you for your questions. I believe I have already dealt with manyof them in my previous answers this session, though if you feel I've missedanything, please say.
"If "Yahweh" is a positive polarityentity, how is he "wrathful" and "jealous"?"
Does Yahweh have Free Will? Would you like to think of yourself as reasonablypositive? Can you still be wrathful and jealous at times? Is Yahweh a Macrocosmof you?
"Have there been over time other entitiespretending to be "Yahweh"?"
On occasions, yes.
Is this statement correct? : "In order to choose the positive path, atleast 51 percent of our thoughts and actions must be dedicated to the serviceof others. For the negative path, at least 95% must be self-serving. Betweenthe two lies "the sinkhole of indifference"."
Your statement is correct, yes. So you see how hard we must strive fornegativity? It takes a lot of effort to reach 95% Negativity. Also, you may besurprised how many people on the planet are nowhere near reaching 51% Positive.
replyposted on 21-10-2008 @ 02:00 AM by Hidden_Hand
"How do you choose a Service to others path?"
Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine Love for Life, and for Being. Begenuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day, for bringing you intoBeing, and for his bountiful provision. You have "survived" this far,have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything youneed, in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanksfor that.
Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator for all that It has done and is doing for you. It has given you the gift of Life Experience, and offered you the Free Will to decide what you will Create with it. Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. When you are coming from a place of Love for, and Service to your Creator, a life of Service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow Beings. Being of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a beacon of light, in a dark world.
[b]Does that old lady need a hand with her shopping bags? How do you treat the homeless man who asks you for some spare change for the shelter? Ever heard about "Angels in disguise"? Look and see the Divine

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I posted this because it has some interesting information that lines up with toltec teachings, and it seems to fill in some gaps.

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Hidden Hand InterviewInterview With Hidden Hand, Alleged Ruling Bloodline PriestThe unusual interview below is with an individual claiming to be a member of one of the ruling bloodlines on Earth who goes by the name Hidden Hand. Though some pretty useless information is given, the interview also gives a powerful, transformative perpective of what is happening in the big picture on our planet. You are encouraged to be skeptical, yet open to what is presented. Some of the information, particularly in the early part of the interview, is clearly just fear-mongering, yet other parts are quite powerful and thought-provoking. Key sections are highlighted in bold.
Note: A 16-page summary of the most important parts of this 60-page interivew is available here.
For an even more concise, four-page summary of the Hidden Hand interview, click here.
The Hidden Hand interview provides intriguing answers as to why there is so much war and violence in our world, and why some leaders are so corrupt and cruel. As you read this message, though you may find some inspiring truths, consider that significant parts may be more metaphor than reality. For instance, the "harvest" mentioned may be just a metaphor for what happens to each individual at death. The quote immediately below is a sample of the fascinating ideas raised.
"Remember, always, that this is a beautiful game that we are playing here and co-creating together with our Infinite Creator. And that off stage (between lives), we are the very best of friends, and that no one really dies and no one really suffers, except in the game. The game is not reality. Reality is reality. And you have the power to express your reality within the game, once you have learnt how to do so."
Window of Opportunity
Topic started on 18-10-2008@ 09:05 PM by Hidden-Hand
I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family.
Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief windowof opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required tomake communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us anyquestions you would like answered.
I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creatorto offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by theLaw of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much Iam able to say.
Rules define life in games.
If you wish to participate, here they are:
1). I will afford you courtesy and respect in the manner I address you, and Iexpect the same from you in reciprocation.
2). I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answeryour question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannotdisclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or moreof the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it wasotherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.
3). That you agree to treat this potential dialogue with an aspect of"provisional faith". In practice, this means that rather thanimpeding the flow of information with crass comments of disbelief or petty namecalling, my participation here requires of you that you discourse with me under"suspended judgment". In other words, wait until the process iscomplete, before deciding for yourself as to the content of truth and knowledgeimparted herein.
4). That you formulate your questions intelligently. My time is limited. I donot want to waste it by having to trawl through pointless, futile, insensibleor disrespectful questions, therefore I will answer the questions I feel aremost deserving of a response, during the time that I have available. Use thetime we have wisely.
If any of the above conditions are breached, I reserve the right to terminateour discourse forthwith, if I so choose.
That being said, I will attempt to answer your questions as honestly and openlyas is permissible for me. I will check back and respond as time allows.
 
posted on 19-10-2008 @ 12:10 PM Hidden_Hand
My original account has notreceived it's email validation, hence the new one I am now using.
A good start. Thank (most of) you for respecting the boundaries I have set.
I answer as follows:
"1) How many generations back does yourbloodline extend, or, perhaps more accurately, who does your family considerits earliest ancestor in a position of power?"
Our Lineage can be traced back beyond antiquity.From the earliest times of your recorded "history", and beyond, our Family has been 'directing' the 'play' from behind the scenes, in one way or another. Before the rise and fall of Atlantis. (Yes, that was indeed perfectly real). We are 'born to lead'. It is part of the design for this current paradigm.
"2) To what extent has selective breeding beenused to preserve the purity of the line? and what becomes of children ofunapproved unions? (They would naturally still be raised with privilege, butnot, perhaps "given the keys to the castle" as it were?)"
The breeding is generally case specific, dependant upon the role that theFamily members in question are due to grow into. I will touch more on this inanswer to the next poster's question that you rephrased.
There are no unapproved unions. Our Family will always intermarry betweenlines, or, what we would term 'Houses'. Marriages are arranged. In all my years alive,I have never seen or heard of a Family member breaking this code, as far asmarriage goes. You do as you are told. One cannot 'join' the Family. One is'born', or incarnated into it.
On the rare instances of a child being born that could be seen as bringing'difficulties', you are correct in your premise, that it would be raised aspart of the Family, though would not grow up in the house or community ofeither of it's parents.
"3) If one were to imagine a scale, perhaps asa triangle with Political, Religious and Corporate power at the three points,how would you categorize the power your family yields? (Balanced? Leaning moretowards one or two than a third? Heavily favoring one of the three above theothers?) And has that position shifted over time?"
You need to first understand the structure of the Family. In the grand schemeof things, the Line is not as important as the House, the House, is not asimportant as the Family. The Family is all. No matter the House or Line, we areOne (truly international) Family.
Imagine if you will, a body. A House would represent a vital organ or body partwithin the Body itself. Each part has an important role to play in thefunctioning of the whole, and to each of us, the 'whole' has our undividedloyalty. As I say, many lines, (far more than you are aware of), One Family.
Our realms of influence do not fit as comfortably into the three boxes of yourtriangle as you may imagine. There are six disciplines of training within the Family, and each member ofthe Family is schooled extensively in all of them, from early childhood. We allhave an area of specialty, though we have experience in all spheres. The sixspheres or 'schools' of learning are Military, Government, Spiritual, Scholarship, Leadership, and Sciences. Inpractice, out there on the 'stage' of public life, we hold key positions in allof these main areas of importance. With the addition of a complicit Mediamachine and ownership of your Financial establishments, all bases arecovered.
I will have to reply in parts, due to the restriction of characters per post.
"Which Ruling BloodlineFamily.... Rockefellers?
That may be a bit too direct for our inquisitee. I'd offer the followingsubstitute:
How many parallel bloodlines do you estimate are in similar positions to yourown, and to what extent does your family see them as either competition orcollaborators?"
Yes, as I say, knowing the line isof no practical use to you. It is the belonging to the Family that isimportant.
There are 13 'base' or 'core' original bloodlines. Yet there are many many other lines that spring from these, as do rivers from the oceans. If you imagine the 13 Original lines as Primary colour, that can be mixed to create a vast array of other colours, then you will have some comprehension. Again, no competition, just Family.
No competition in the sense of House against House, though it is a 'dog eat dog' world. So there is interpersonal competition in that sense of the word. Everyone wants to move up. Our whole Familial society is geared that way, toward upward progression.
"What does the term " generational member" mean? Which generation specifically??"
It means that one is born into the Family. The Order and it's agenda is handed down, from generation to generation. Only in extremely rare occasions, have outsiders been invested into the Family, and then, even these were of other 'esoterically' integrable lines.
"1) Can you cite two or more previous instances whereby this directive has been upheld?"
Once in 1999, to what you would call an 'alternative' media source.
Once in 2003, on another internet "conspiracy" based forum. Though the information relayed was not entirely 'pure'. Not from the intention of misleading, but rather through imperfect or incomplete knowledge of the messengers.
If it is not in the mainstream controlled media, it will not be believed by the masses. This is information tailored for those who already know that we are very real, and exerting a strong, if mostly subtle, influence over your lives. If you wish to enslave a man, allow him to believe that he is already free.
"2) By what basis is the timing of such revelations established?"
By the decree of the Supreme World Council, according to the Will of the Creator.
"Are we really consideredchattel and traded as such by the government?"
By the governments, generally, yes. People are seen as 'collateral'. Pawns thatare maneuvered around the chess board, according to the game plan. By the Family,contrary to popular beliefs, many of us do not mean you any harm directly.There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold, and we must playour parts in the game, as given to us by the Creator. In many ways, it isactually in our own interest that you are prepared for the coming Harvest.
Just not maybe prepared in quitethe way that you would like. Still, even then, you are choosing the NegativePolarity with your own Free Will decisions, with a little 'help' and directionfrom us. Souls are Harvestable in either 'extreme' of the Polarities, one couldsay.
"If so, how do we become freemen?"
You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, isindication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is verylikely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to anunderstanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so,before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat thecycle.
"Is the Messiah alive today?"
There is no "Messiah". Stop looking outside of yourself for'salvation'. Is there what you might call a 'Christ Consciousness' alive, then yes, in amanner of speaking. Though not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness.
reply posted on19-10-2008 @ 12:20 PM by Hidden_Hand
"Is it the end-times, as described in the bookof revelations?
Yes. Not just described in the Book of Revelations, but alsoin the prophesies of virtually every religion, spiritual philosophy, and mystery traditionthroughout history. This time is now at hand.
To use your own example however:
Revelation 14:14-16:
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like theSon of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who saton the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You toreap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 So He who sat on the cloudthrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
The 'earth' is indeed ripe for Harvest. The question is, who will be ready? Andwill the Harvest be Positive, or Negative?
"How do you justify that the current Britishroyal family line is the true bloodline, but Ishmael is not the true receiverof Abraham's gift? If you're true bloodline, you'll know what I mean."
Who says it is the 'true' line? There wereRuling-Bloodlines long before your 'Yahweh' and his 'Christianity' arrived onthis planet. Yahweh is 'a' Creator, not 'The' One Infinite Creator. There areother and Higher 'gods' than him. Ultimately, All, are a part of The One, andeither consciously, or unconsciously, exercising their Free Will to Create.Begin to study 'outside of the box'for a True understanding of the Creation.
The British Royalty is not the most powerful line. The names that you know, donot hold the real ancient power. There are others above these lineages in theHierarchy. You will not know the names of these lines.
"OP, what proof do you have that "rulingelite families" exist and that your a member of one? Its something that Ithink you thought was not falsifiable, which is why you chose that identity forthe story your weaving - however, I think there may indeed be a way you canprove it."
I have no need toprove anything to you. I am merely doing my duty as directed to me. Believe, ordo not believe, we are divinely indifferent. I am obliged to complete this taskhere. The end result is of no consequence to me. I will have discharged myduty, in handing down certain information that must be released at this time.There is no stipulation as to where I do so, only that I do. I chose Above Top Secret, as the general level ofintelligence, comprehension and reasoning is reckoned to be higher than in manysuch forums.
Understand, due to the Law of Free Will, I cannot just give you information, atleast not without consequences to my own person which I would rather avoid. Itis an infringement upon your Free Will, your right to not know. You have to askme for the information you want, only then can I provide it. So whilst thereare important things I have to share, if I am not asked the questions, I cannotget that information to you. I am hopeful that synchronicity will bring the most importantquestions of real 'depth' out from among you.
My duty is to offer. Yours is to ask. My duty is fulfilled, whether or notyours is.
"Surely if ruling elitefamilies exist and you're a member of one then you must be controlling globalevents through world governments - tell us 1 major government action from anycountry that going to occur in the next 5 days. I won't be surprised when you refuse to do so."
I am not at liberty to discuss such intimate immediate detail, and in manycases, I am not far enough up the Hierarchy to know anyway. Typically, I wouldreceive a call a day before the enactment of a major event, just to saysomething along the lines of 'this part of such and such a plan will take placetomorrow, in such and such a way, do not be alarmed'. Also one has to take intoaccount, the specific areas of specialty I mentioned previously. My area is in Spirituality, so my focus is not so much onGeo-Political events. I am aware of the overall design, though the finer pointsare not often my area of expertise.
I am prepared to give you some things coming down the timeline, that you will be able to look back upon, and verify my predictions retrospectively.
The Stock Markets will soon complete their controlled demolition. After an initial 'appearance' that the 'bail outs' and 'rescue packages' have steadied the ship, there will be new record lows by the end of the month.
Our Financial Institutions will later call in all loans. There will be many bankruptcies and foreclosures.
The only way John McCain will become the next President, will be if something "happens" to Barack Obama before the election. If there even is an election. If a certain faction get their way, there will not be. Remember, behind the scenes, there is only One Party. Our Party. 'Democracy' is an illusion which is created to uphold your slavery. Whichever side 'wins'; the Family wins. There are many possibilities and alternative 'scripts'. All of them lead toward the ultimate implementation of the overall blueprint of our Creator,
Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008/early 2009, along with a new Union of nations. January has been spoken of in some circles, as the latest, though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much earlier than initially hoped for. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this will play out. I am not high enough up the Hierarchy to know the intimate details of the dates and times that far in advance. There is a 'tree system' in which such knowledge is passed down, as and when it becomes 'need to know'. I would be considered to be a "Regional" leader. Above me, are National and International.
San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play, and which timelines are activated. Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you putout.
Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), inyour hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state yourplanet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served upfor you on your televisions that you are addictedto, violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news',fear and 'terror'. When was the last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is,because of your collective thoughts about it.
You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice. Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose. It is very important to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others. We require a Negative Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.
There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvestapproaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. Therewill be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission inlate 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, andsubsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international)metropolitan areas underwater.
That is all I have time for at present. I have a Sacrifice I must attend now.
No, not really [just kidding].
Let's see if we can increase the 'depth' of enquiry and question matter in thenext session. Seek beyond the superficial. Get to the 'Core' of the matter.
 
reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 11:46 PM by Hidden_Hand
Ok, a lot to get through here, so please let me finish the many posts it will take to answer your questions (due to the limit on characters per post) before you reply, so as not to interrupt the flow of the message..
"How do you know thatyour bloodline deserves to lead and the rest deserve to follow? Wealthand power is self-propagating therefore I say to you that your bloodline onlycomprises the 'extreme elite' of the world because your ancestors came to powerby chance in the beginning, not because your kind are special. In fact, there'snothing special, clever or honourable in enslaving others."
It is not about 'deserving' or not. Does one 'deserve' to be born English, orAmerican, or Italian, or French, or German, and so on? We came not to power by'chance', but rather, (which I know may be hard to swallow) by intelligentdesign. This path of ours was not 'chosen' by us, but rather it was appointed,and accepted.
"Who is your "creator" and is your"creator" the same as our "creator"?"
This is an excellent question, which I can use to draw our communication closerto the 'Core'.
Yes and no. You would first need to understand the Creation.
In the Beginning, there is The Infinite One. This is the Source of All.Intelligent Infinity. It is the undifferentiated absolute. Within It, isunlimited potential, waiting to 'become'. Think of it as the "uncarvedblock" of your Taoist traditions.
Infinite Intelligence, becoming 'aware' of Itself, seeks to experience Itself,and The One Infinite Creator is 'born', or 'manifest' (This appears to your 3rdDensity comprehension as "Space"). In effect, the 'Creator', is apoint of focused Infinite Consciousness or awareness, into Infinite IntelligentEnergy. The One Infinite Creator also becoming self aware, seeks too toexperience Itself as Creator, and in so doing, begins the next step down in theCreational spiral. The One Infinite Creator, in focusing It's InfiniteIntelligence, becomes Intelligent Energy (which you could call the GreatCentral Sun), and divides Itself into smaller portions of Itself, that can thenin turn experience themselves as Creators (or Central Suns). In other words,each Central Sun (or Creator) is a 'step down' in Conscious awareness (ordistortion) from the Original 'thought' of Creation. So "In thebeginning" was not "The Word", but Thought. The Word, is thoughtexpressed and made manifest as Creator.
There is Unity. Unity is All there is. Infinite Intelligence, and InfiniteEnergy. The two are One, and within them, is the potental for all Creation.This state of Consciousness could be termed as 'Being'.
Infinite Intelligence does not recognize it's 'potential'. It is the undifferentiated absolute. But Infinite Energy recognizes the potential of 'becoming' all things, in order to bring any desired experience into 'being'.
Intelligent Infinity can be likened to the central 'Heartbeat' of Life, and Infinite Energy as the Spiritual 'Life-blood' (or potential) which 'pumps out' for the Creator to form the Creation.
This image may assist your comprehension:

Creation is based upon the 'Three Primary Distortions ofThe Infinite One'.
1). Free Will:
In the first Law (or distortion) of Creation, the Creator receives the FreeWill to know and experience Itself as an individuated though (paradoxically)unified aspect of The One.
2). Love:
In the second Law of Creation, the initial distortion of Free Will, becomes afocus point of awareness known as Logos, or 'Love' (or The Word in biblicalterms). Love, or Logos, using It's Infinite Intelligent Energy, then takes onthe role of co-creating a vast array of physical illusions ('thought forms') orDensities (which some call Dimensions) in which according to It's Intelligentdesign, will best offer the range of 'potential' experiences in which It canknow Itself.
In effect, the One Infinite Creator, in dividing Itself into Logos, could betermed in your 3rd Density understanding as a 'Universal Creator'. In otherwords, Logos, creates on a Universal level of Being. Logos creates physicalUniverses, in which It and the Creator may experience theirself. ("Let there be Light")
3). Light:
To manifest this Infinite spiritual or 'Life-Force' Energy into a physicalthought form of Densities, Logos creates the third distortion, of Light.
From the three original Primary distortions of The One into making the Creation, arise myriad hierarchies of other sub-distortions, containing their own specific paradoxes. The goal of the Game is to enter into these in further divions of Creation, and then seek to harmonize the Polarities, in order to once again know Oneself as the Creator of them.
The nature of all such physically manifest Energy, is Light. Wherever thus exists any form of physical 'matter', there is Light, or Divine Intelligent Energy at it's Core or Centre.
Something which is Infinite cannot be 'other than', or 'many', An Infinite Creator knows only Unity. Thus, drawing upon It's Infinite Intelligence, the Infinite Creator designed a blueprint based on the finite principles of Free Will of Awareness and sub-level Creations, which in turn, could become aware of themselves, and seek to experience themselves as Creators. And so the "Russian Doll" style experiment was 'stepped down' and down and down. Levels of Creation within levels of Creation.
The One Infinite Creator (or Great Central Sun) steps down It's Infinite Energy to become Logos. Logos in turn designs vast Universes of Space (as yet unmaterialized), stepping down and splitting Itself again, into Logoi (plural), in other words, into an array of Central Suns which will each become a Logos (or 'co-creator') of It's own Universe, with each unique individualized portion of the One Infinite Creator, containing within It as It's very essence, Intelligent Infinity.
Using the Law of Free Will, each Universal Logos (Central Sun) designs and creates It's own version or perspective of 'physical reality' in which to experience Itself as Creator. Stepping down again, It focuses It's Intelligent Energy and creates the unmanifest form of Galaxies within Itself, and splits Itself into yet further 'co-creator' portions ('Sub-Logos' or Suns) which in turn will then design and manifest their own ideas of physical reality in the form of points of Conscious Awareness that we call Suns Stars and Planets.
 
reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 11:53PM by Hidden_Hand
A 'planetary entity' (or 'Soul')begins the first Density of experience, into which another individualizedportion of The One can incarnate. Just as with all Logos and Sub Logos ofCreation, each Soul is yet another smaller unique portion of The Infinite One.At first, the Intelligent Energy of the planet is in a state that you couldcall 'chaos', meaning that It's Energy is undefined. Then the process beginsagain. The planetary Energy begins to become aware of Itself (the 1st Densityof awareness is 'Consciousness'), and the Planetary Logos (sub-sub-Logos ineffect) begins to create other downward steps within Itself, and the internalmake up of the planet begins to form; as the raw elements of air and firecombine to 'work on' the Waters and Earth, thus arising consciousawareness of their 'being', and the process of 'evolution' begins, forming the2nd Density.
2nd Density beings begin to become aware of themselves, as being 'separate',and thus begin to evolve toward the 3rd Density of self-conscious-awareness,(the lowest Density into which a 'human soul' can incarnate).
Humans in turn (or the Souls incarnated within them), seek to 'return to theLight' and Love, from which they came, as they begin the journey ofprogression, from 3rd Density up to the 8th Density, and the return to TheInfinite One-ness.
Explanation of the Densities beyond 'normal' human consciousness is anotherquestion though, so if you wish to know more about them, someone will need toask an intelligent question which I can respond to, so as not to impinge uponyour Free Will not to know.
So, having set forth the above, I can return to further elucidate on youroriginal question:
"Who is your "creator" and is your "creator" the same as our "creator"?"
As I said, yes, and no. Ultimately, every living thing (and all things are living) is created by the One Infinite Creator's initial Universal Creation. So yes, taken from that perspective, The One Infinite Creator focuses It's Infinite Intelligence into an awareness point of Infinite Energy, and brings the whole of Creation into Being, though, we are not directly created by the One Infinite Creator, but rather by our own Logos', Sub-Logos, and Sub-Sub-Logos and so on. So from that perspective, whilst we are all essentially 'made up' of the same 'stuff' of Creation, initiated by the One Infinite Creator, our actual personal Creators are different portions or Sub-Logos of The One. In other words, yes, our Creator, whilst originating from the same Source, is not the same entity as your Creator.
Which brings me on to a question from another poster (I will continue with your other questions afterwards, but this enables me to indirectly answer the first aspect of your question without having to ask you to rephrase it, due to having to carefully dance around the Free Will issues).
"You say that you comefrom 13 original blood lines. Yet the DNA mapping project clearly proved thatall humanity desends from only 3. Does this mean you aren't human?"
An excellent question, thank you. Yes, that is correct, in a manner ofspeaking. If you were to meet me walking down the street, I would appear justas human as you do. We've been incarnating here with you for generations, yetour bloodlines do not originate from this planet.
"Your answer to the 6 disciplines of learning arequite similiar to a book about atlantis that was supposed to have beenchanneled. Was this also a time for your bloodlines to post answers?"
Yes, that is correct, again, in amanner of speaking. Other, shall we say "off world entities" alsovisited the planet at that time, and passed down their own understandings ofCreation as well as their 'technology', from what we could best describe asbeing 'a future aspect of yourselves'. It was Humanity's errors in handlingthis information that ultimately led to the destruction of Atlantis.
Having now answered a question on whether or not ourlineage is of Human origin, I can return to tie in that answer with anexplanation as to "Who is our Creator". I'm dancing close to the linein answering this, but the record needs to be set straight, and I should justabout be able to get away with it without incurring my own 'upline's'displeasure.
Let us get to the crux of the matter.
Your Creator, the one you have called 'Yahweh', is not "God" inasmuchas your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". He is 'a'Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not evena Galactic level Logos, but rather, is the Planetary Logos for this one planet.
Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer"and "Bright and Morning Star".
Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'.
Allow me to elucidate:
When an entity (Group Soul Complex) evolves to the level of the Sixth Density, it is by comparison to the amount of time it takes to get that far, a mere hop skip and a jump from 8th Density Ultimate Re-Union with The One Infinite Creator, and then from there, back to dissolution into the Source of All, Intelligent Infinity.
We (our Bloodline Families), as a Group Soul or Social Memory Complex (Lucifer), were on the verge of Seventh Density Ascension, though at this level, before Harvest comes, we have the choice to progress higher, or, to return to help others of lower densities with their own evolution, by passing down our knowledge and Wisdom (Light) to those that call upon us for assistance, with their own Free Will. Now, at this time, having made our decision to stay and help our Galactic Brothers and Sisters in The One, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the Guardians of this Galaxy from their Eighth Density 'Head Quarters' on the planet Saturn.
Yahweh, due to the fact that he had NOT (as was his right as Planetary Logos) handed down his own Free Will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon 'his' planet, was having very little evolutionary progress therein. So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "Fell", or Descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a 3rd Density manifestation of ourself.
Yahweh had agreed to our coming. In fact it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "Catalyst" of change to enter into his Creation, and share the knowledge and wisdom we had attained through our Ascensions. In the absence of Free Will upon the planet, there can be no Polarity, and therefore, nothing to 'choose' between. Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely 'paradise', yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey Home, to The One. Yahweh had been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance,running a benign dictatorship.
Without Polarity, (derived fromFree Will), there is only the Unity of Love and Light, and no choice toexperience 'other than' that. So, we were to be the Catalyst for change, inorder to provide that choice, thus bringing Polarity. Yahweh agreed that wewould introduce the concept of Free Will to Earth's inhabitants, by offeringthem an initial choice, as to whether they 'wanted' it or not. Hence, "TheTree of the Knowledge of 'Good and Evil'" (or more accurately, theKnowledge of Polarity, of Positive or Negative). Yahweh takes his inhabitantsto a new 'garden' and tells them you can do anything you like, except this onething, thus creating the desire to do the one thing they are told they cannot.Hence, a "Choice". We provide the Catalyst by telling them thebenefits of attaining Knowledge, they eat from the tree, and the rest ishistory.
Yahweh thought that his 'Children' would still choose to obey him, and when hediscovered they did not, he became angry. As he himself describes in hisscriptures, he is a "Jealous God", and he did not like it that his'children' had chose to disobey him, and follow our advice. We're already committedto being here for a predefined set of "Cycles" to help provide theCatalyst for Human evolution, namely by offering you the Negative Option, orthat which you choose to call "evil". Now that Free Will had beengranted, Yahweh could not retract it, and we have to stay here as contracted tocontinue to provide the planet with the Polarity choice.
Since then, Yahweh has confined us (as a Group Soul) here within the Earth's Astral Planes (which is very constricting and uncomfortable for a Being of our Wisdom and experience). The Council of Elders gave us the choice to be released (against Yahweh's will), but at the cancellation of our contract to Serve the planet earth; or to remain and fulfil our assignment, and endure Yahweh's self proclaimed "Wrath". We stayed, but as a karmic result of our Group Soul's confinement by Yahweh, our own individuated Souls were given the mandate (by The Council) to "Rule" over Yahweh's people during our physical incarnations here on your planet.
Let's be clear about one thing though. All of this (physical life / incarnation), is a very intricate and skillfully designed Game, whereby the One Infinite Creator, plays the game of forgetting who It is, so that It can learn to remember, and in doing so, experience and know Itself as Creator. All the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is. Off stage, and between "Lives" (zero-point time / anti-matter Universe) as incarnated "human beings", we, all of us / you (as Souls), are great friends. Brothers and Sisters in The One.
Between 'lives' we all have a great laugh about the parts we have performed in the 'play', and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out.
I hope that during the above answer, I have also adequately covered your question on "what is our interpretation of good vrs evil? If not, please say, and I will go into more detail.
"Can you elaborate on the"coming harvest" and what exactly you mean by harvest?"
I can. I will combine my answer to you with my reply to the following question:
"Is 2012 harvest time? When you speak of the harvest, it has echoes of Chaos Gnosticism in the sensethat we are divine souls trapped in the physical world, continuouslyre-incarnated into flesh until the time that we reach such a level of spiritual'gnosis' that we are able to avoid being re-incarnated in our next cycle. Isthis the foundation of your belief?"
Another excellent (and very insightful) question. Thank you. The higher the quality of the question, the more depth I can give to my answer.It all has to do with the Laws of Confusion and Free Will.
Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time whenthe Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru".
 
reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 12:01AM by Hidden_Hand
Read up on the Mayan Prophesies and Calendrical events formore detail upon how the actual Galactic and Universal Cycles work. The"Travelers" who gave them this information were the same ones who visitedthe the Civilization of Atlantis. The Mayans used that information by creatingwith the Positive vibration of the Polarity. The Atlanteans opted for theNegative.
Yes, to answer your question. There is much truth in some of the ancientGnostic texts, though there are also distortions. The information is not'pure'. It came through many 'filters'.
You are indeed what you call "Divine Souls"; you are sparks or seedsof The One Infinite Creator. You are Life Itself (Light), remembering andlearning who you really are (we came here to help you to do this) and yes,currently, you are trapped (or more accurately "Quarantined") withinthe 'matter' of this planet you call Earth.
You can thank your Creator Yahweh for that. You are the 'offspring' or individuationsof his Group Soul (or Social Memory Complex). Macrocosmically speaking, you AREYahweh. The 'Karmic' effect of his imprisoning us in his Astral Planes, alsohas an impact upon you. I cannot be more specific on this, without impinging onthe Law of Confusion. You must work it out for yourselves.
As for the question of can I elaborate on the coming Harvest, yes, I shall doso now.
Your planet abides by the laws of the Creation of your Galactic Logos. TheGalaxy runs on Cycles of time, known as the Precession of the Equinoxes. As Isaid, seek the Mayan Calendar for a deeper insight as to how the Galaxy runs(it is highly accurate), but for the purpose of this discourse, I will give abrief overview.
The Maya use an astrological cycle called the "Precession of theEquinoxes". This is a 26,000 year cycle in which Earth transits througheach of the 12 signs of the zodiac for about 2,152 years each. Each of theseastrological ages represents one month of the grand Cosmic Year. This "Mayan"cycle also corresponds to a 26,000 year relationship of the Sun (Solar Logos)orbiting Alcyone, the central star of our Seven Sisters Pleiades constellation.
The End of this Cycle, heralds literally, a New World Age, and a New Creation."A new Heaven, and a new Earth", and is the time of the GreatHarvest. Smaller Cycles yield a Harvest, and then life continues on the planet asnormal. Great Cycles yield a Great Harvest, and the end of current life on the3rd Density. See it as a kind of 'Cosmic jet wash' and deep clean, while theplanet takes a rest and regenerates herself..
When this Life-Cycle Ends, "All things will pass away, and All thingsshall be made new".
Collectively, Humanity right now, is growing, and developing, into the Beingsyou have long been encoded to be. Yet, as with any labor, it is not the motheror the baby who is in charge, it is the Primal process of Birth itself,unfolding it's own destiny.
So, December 21, 2012 AD, is not the day where all of a sudden the lights goout, and everything will suddenly change. Rather, we are NOW in the process ofthis transition, from one World Age to the next. The changes are underway andwill continue steadily accelerating as we head towards the culminating date.
The 26,000 year cycle is composed of 5 lesser cycles, each of which are 5,125years in duration. Each of these 5 cycles is considered its own World Age orCreation Cycle.
Our present great cycle (3113 B.C. - 2012 A.D.) is called the Age of the FifthSun.
This fifth age is the synthesis of the previous four. The initial date thatEarth entered the Fifth World, was August 13, 3113 BC, written in Mayan longcount notation as 13.0.0.0.0.
To help you understand this Notation:
13=Baktuns, 0=Katuns, the 2nd 0=Tuns, 3rd 0=Uinals, 4th 0=Kin
These are the Mayan words for the periods of time:
Day = Kin (pronounced: keen)
Month of 20 days/Kin = Uinal (wee nal)
Year of 360 days/Kin = Tun (toon)
20 Tuns/years = K'atun (k'ah toon)
20 K'atuns = Baktun (bock toon)
a Baktun is 5,125 years
13.0.0.0.0.
Every day from that point is reckoned by the number of days passed since theevent of this cosmic beginning point. Within the 5,125 year cycle lies 13smaller cycles, known as the "13 Baktun Count," or the "longcount." Each baktun cycle lasts for 394 years, or 144,000 days. Eachbaktun was its own Historical Age, within the Great Creation Cycle, with aspecific destiny for the evolution of those who incarnated in each baktun.
Planet Earth and her inhabitants are currently traveling through the 13thbaktun cycle, the final period of 1618-2012 AD. This cycle is known both as"the triumph of materialism", and "the transformation ofmatter."
On 13.0.0.0.0, the December solstice sun will be found in the band of the Milky Way, directly in the position of the "Dark Rift" in the Galaxy, forming an alignment between the Galactic Plane and the Solstice Meridian. We are about to enter into a literal alignment of the Cosmic, Galactic, Solar, and Lunar Planes. This is an event that has slowly converged, over a period of thousands of years, and is caused by the precession of the equinoxes. Kind of like a "turning" of the Universal Gears. It brings about the Great Harvest, and the return of the Lord of The Harvest.
And the planet will complete it's Ascension to the Fourth Density, thevibrational Density of Love. During this Ascension, there will be a three waysplit for those Souls inhabiting Earth. Those of the predominantly NegativePolarity, will accompany us as we Graduate through the Negative (or Service toSelf) Harvest. We (Lucifer) will Create a new 4th Density Earth, based on theNegative Self Service Polarity. We must 'work off' our own part of the NegativeKarmic effect incurred from all the Negativity created on this planet. Once wehave done so, we will be released to once again assume our place as SixthDensity Guardians and Teachers of Wisdom throughout the Galaxy.
Those of the predominantly Positive Polarity (Love and Light) will Ascend to a beautiful new 4th Density Earth, where you will begin to work upon yourlearning and demonstrating of Love and Compassion. It will be a very beautifuland "Golden" Age. The 4th Density begins to open you up to your TruePowers as a unique individualized aspect of The One Infinite Creator. You willperform works and wonders of the like that the one you call "Jesus"promised you would do "and even greater things than these". It willbe a very magical time for you.
For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be consideredshall we say "luke warm", they will experience a period of (what willfeel 'ecstatic') zero-point time, where you feel totally at One with TheCreator, giving you an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who you really are,before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you, and you will betransported to another 3rd Density planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'), tocontinue working upon yourselves and learning that life here is all aboutmaking choices.
You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest; in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings, focused more upon being of Service to others, rather than seeking only to Serve yourself. When you can do this, and the next Harvest comes, you will have earned the right to join us, and enjoy your inheritance, as a member of the Galactic Community, and you will sit with us as Brothers and Sisters of The One, around the table of our Galactic Governing Body, the Confederation of Planets.
Well, I have imparted much during this session, with thanks to the quality of your enquiries, and I must now take my leave for today.
If you have further questions on the Harvest you wish me to speak in more detail on, if you ask, I can answer. Or any other questions you have too on other matters, I will get to them all as time allows, as with the other (respectfully asked) questions here since I took these away with me to reply to earlier.
If time permits, I will check in with you tomorrow.
Editorial Note: Consider the possibility that the parallel planet scenario presented here may be more metaphor than reality. There are many living on Earth right now who experience their lives as a living hell. Yet there are also those living in the same physical reality of this planet whose lives are close to heaven on Earth. As Hidden Hand points out, our deeply held thoughts and beliefs create our experience of life. Focusing on an impending harvest or day of judgment keeps us from opening ever more fully to all that is available to us here and now in this ever-unfolding sacred moment.
 
reply postedon 21-10-2008 @ 01:36 AM by Hidden_Hand"1) A lot of what you write seems reminscent ofThe Ra Material, especially the concept of harvest, STSand STO choices, and intelligent infinity. (More information found herewww.llresearch.org) Have you read that?"
It is indeed extremely similar. We both originate from the Source of theInfinite Creator, and we both remember where we come from. I would expect ourmessages to contain the same Core Truths.
The messages of the Sixth Density Soul Group 'Ra' is the most accurateinformation in your mainstream circulation at this point in time. It isapproximately 85-90% accurate, from what I have seen. The material was broughtto my attention when it first came out, something like about 25 years or soago, if memory serves. I read a lot of it, but not all. I do not have very muchfree time for that kind of thing, with my many duties. Though others of theFamily gave it a close scrutiny to judge it's accuracy, and were very pleasedwith the end product.
Ra, in fact, is the group I earlier termed 'off world entities' of whichvisited the Mayan and Atlantean Civilizations. We are acquainted, and friends.Both our Group Soul's are at a very similar level of development / evolution.Both Sixth Density, nearly Seventh. But like us, Ra also chose the path ofService to our fellow Galactic Brothers and Sisters (you, and others), insteadof further progression Home. We would recommend that material for any who trulyseek understanding. Though, as I said, it is not 100% accurate, so take whatresonates.
"2) What function, if any, do alien abductionshave? Why are abductees chosen?"
That depends upon who is doing the "abducting". Most of what youhear termed as "abductions", are conducted by your own 'governments'.Especially the ones where the 'so-called' "Greys" are involved. Otherthan that, sometimes the Confederation will meet with certain incarnates herewho have a part to play in "awakening" others to the coming Harvest.These will always be positive experiences, and those who have them will feeluplifted and inspired by their contact.
Then there is the Orion Empire Group. Their purposes in visiting you are morealong the Negative lines. They mainly target the ones you have called"Lightworkers". They try to put them off their assignments and try tospread fear. They will not actually 'harm' you physically. Mainly their modusoperandi is to restrict you, and deflect you from your path. They often engagein psychic attacks that the 'Lightworker' is unaware of, but it does oftendrain away much of their energy, and make them lack motivation.
"3) Why do you want a negative harvest?"
It is complicated to put into words, and also I must be careful with what I sayon this. I've already had a "slap on the wrist", you could say.
If we do not have a Negative Harvest, we are bound with you for another cycle.Once this Great Harvest is completed, our Contract with the Council and ourCreator is also completed. In other words, we have done our duty, and would befree to return to our Fullest Expression, that of Sixth (nearly Seventh)Density Galactic Guardians, and ones who joyfully offer ourselves in Service tothe One Infinite Creator, and to our Brothers and Sisters across the Galaxy.
However, there is a problem. Well, you would call it a "problem", we call it a Challenge. I will address this later in more detail, in response to another question, but in short, we need a very high percentage of Negative Polarity, if we are to achieve a Negative Harvest. In other words, we have to be Self-Service-Centred to an extreme degree, in order to become Negatively Harvested. This is why we work so hard to be as Negatively Polarized as we possibly can be, If we do not make a high enough percentage, we will miss out, and will end up with the majority "luke warm" percentage, that have to go through another Cycle in 3rd Density.
By attaining a Negative Harvest,we can still "Graduate" to 4th Density, only it will be a NegativePolarity planet. Not a great place to be. But, as I've stated previously, we(as a Group Soul) have incurred the natural Karmic restitution process that wemust work off, for all the Negativity we have caused upon this planet. We willdo this for a Cycle in our new 4th Density world, and then we will be freed toonce again be the Glorious Being of Light that we truly are. We need a NegativeHarvest, so that we can create our 4th Density Earth, and clear our KarmicRecord.
Understand, that we HAVE to be Negative. That's what we were sent here to be.It is our contract, and it has always been to help you, by providing the"Catalyst" I spoke of earlier. Being Negative is very hard for us,not on a physical level, (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we'reprogrammed that way), but on a Spiritual level, it is hard. We surpassed thelowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are Light, and we are Love. It is a veryhard thing for us to do Spiritually, to create all this Negativity, but we doit because we love you, and it is for your highest good, ultimately. You couldsay, that it is our Sacrifice that we have made, in order to be of Service tothe One Infinite Creator, and to you, our Brothers and Sisters in the One.
Remember, we are all just acting out a grand old game here, where we agree toforget who we really are, that in the remembering, that we may find each otheragain, and know that we are One. That All of Life, is One.
"I must correct you here. The precession of theequinoxes cannot cause this. It cannot cause anything other than the way inwhich we here on Earth view the cosmos around us. It concerns the wobble of theEarth's axis and as far as I know does not relate to any other planetarybodies."
From a 3rd Density perspective, you are correct, it "appears" thatway. We do not look from a 3rd Density perspective. There is a 'bigger picture'at work that you cannot see.
"Regarding our enslavement, you seem to besaying - essentially - that as fractions of our Logos Yahweh, we are equallyresponsible for his decision to keep us trapped here on our 3rd density planetEarth. That's an interesting thought. In that sense our total freedom mustarrive through a collaborative spiritual effort."
From a certain perspective, what you say is correct. From a 3rd Density view,you see yourselves as being "separate" from everything. From a higherperspective, you see that is not at all the case. You and your Creator, areOne. As to your statement on your 'total freedom', you are not responsible forthose around you. You and they are all One too, when seen from a higherDensity, but in this Density, you are here to work upon yourself. You are hereto remember who you are, and why you are here. You are here to remember theInfinite Creator. To know your Creator within you, and to offer your Service tohim, and others, of your own Free Will choice to Serve. The one comes beforethe other. When you remember who you are, and you know it, deep within the Coreof your Being, you will know and recognize your 'invisible' connection to Allthat Is, and in so doing, Joy, and Thanksgiving, and Service, will be thenatural outpouring result, from your grateful heart. When you work upon yourself,and learn to know the Creator within you, being of Service to Others will benatural for you, and your Glorious Harvest shall await.
"One thing I don't get - and perhaps you can explain this to me Hidden-Hand- is why those who belong to Lucifer (and Lucifer himself) do not fight for thefreedom of all souls? If Lucifer represents liberty, freedom of will andknowledge, why do those who serve him not do as the Biblical Lucifer did andrebel against the tyranny of the Elders?"
This is a very good question, thank you. I will split it into two parts, andanswer the second part after this. Firstly, the Council of Elders are theabsolute opposite of tyrannical. They are the Wise and Loving Guardians of ourGalaxy. There is so much that one cannot understand from only a 3rd Densityperspective. When you reach higher Densities, you see that ultimately,everything balances, and there is only Unity. All else than Unity, is Illusion,or 'thought-form'.
The Council gave us a set of choices. We chose to stay here to help you, despite the cost to ourself. That is the nature of Loving Service to Others. The ultimate paradox in all this, is that in this storyline we are all co-creating together, in order for us to be of the most Service to you, we must be utterly self serving. I do so love our Creator's sense of irony.
As to the first part of your question, the biblical depiction of "War in Heaven" is not entirely inaccurate. I shall explain. Our initial contract, was to introduce the Catalyst for Free Will on this planet. When Yahweh initially began discourse with the Council of Elders, he was not initially looking for help with introducing Free Will, but rather for guidance on how he could best speed up his (and his inhabitants') evolutionary process. As I mentioned, he was running a benign dictatorship. We had at that time, just completed an assignment in Tau Ceti, and had reported for our next duties. We (as Group Soul Lucifer) were sent on a "fact finding expedition" as it were, to visit Earth, and meet with Yahweh, to evaluate his planetary Creation Laws, and make suggestions on how best he could help his "offspring" (this is the term I shall use to describe the Souls who comprise the Group Soul) and thusly Yahweh, to progress.
We explored many options, and reported our findings to the Council, and to Yahweh. It was our best evaluation, that the only real and fast track way to increase his evolvement meaningfully, was the introduction of Free Will. It was not specifically the implementation of Free Will that Yahweh wanted help with, it was simply the introduction of a Catalyst. He was not at all pleased with our report that he needed to implement Free Will. He was happy with his little pet paradise, and he didn't want to "loose control" of it. In the end the Council persuaded him that it was the best way, and he reluctantly agreed.
We returned to Earth, and had a cordial meeting with Yahweh, discussing how we could best implement the Free Will option. Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway, and that they were so contented with their way of life, that they would always trust him and do as he said was best. That, he said, was his "main reason" that Free Will would not work well as the Catalyst.
That's why he agreed to the experiment of the Tree of Knowledge. He believed it would prove him "right". When it did not, he became angry, threw his toys out of the pram, and his offspring out of the garden, and laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust and disobeyed him. That's not really an Honourable way for a Logos to behave, but hey, that's the beauty of Free Will I guess.
Next "problem" to occur, was that his offspring were so grateful to us for our help, that Yahweh became (in his own admission) a "Jealous God". Then we had the whole "you shall have no other gods than me" thing. We were not pleased with the situation at all, as a Logos should not be behaving like this with his offspring, they are One, afterall. When we attempted to leave the planet to return to the Council, Yahweh prevented our departure. We tried to leave again,and were then thrown down into the Astral Planes and confined therein.
The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. We didn't want to leave, we found them very likable Beings, really Positively Polarized, and we wanted to stay and help, we just wanted also to be free to come and go as we pleased. The only way we could stay, was to stay confined as a Group Soul, which meant Cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated Souls), which we had not done for a long while.
As I've stated before, there is no 'wrong' or 'right' seen from a Higher Density, but there are still consequences for every action. Such is the law of Karmic effect. The contract had already been made between Yahweh, us, and the Council for us to provide the Catalyst so we had a right to be there. The Karmic effect of Yahweh imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level, was that his individuated Souls would be imprisoned on the microcosmic level. The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of Free Will to Create as we choose, but the Karmic effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet. A certain evolutionary level is required to be a functioning part of a Positive Unified Galactic Society.
As for "fighting for the freedom of all souls", remember that ultimately, this is a Game, that we are all playing here. We are actors, playing on the "stage of Life". This 'world' is all illusion, or 'though-form'. No one really "dies", and no one is really hurt. In between incarnations, you know this very well. But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all 'real' whilst you are playing the game of Life. That is an essential prerequisite when you are making choices. Otherwise, the game would be too easy.
This world is not reality. Though we can express Reality in it, if we so chose.
"OK, so your family and fellow elites might be as entrapped in the Earthly realm as we are, but why actively propagate and aid the forces of enslavement."
Because that is the part we have been contracted to play, in this game. In order to "win" (or more accurately to be successful in) the Game, we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. Service to Self in the extreme. Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more, they serve our purpose. In the Game.
The difference between us and you, in the Game, is that we know that we are "playing". The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes. In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game.
"Something I found extremely interesting is theconcept of the Grand Age of Precession being split into five 5,125 year cycles.3113 B.C., the beginning of the current sub-age was a time of great activity.Is the construction of stone monuments in Western Europe, the Middle-East and Egypt at thistime related to the recogniton of this cycle? What was the purpose of Britain's stone circles and Egypt'spyramids? They are more than mere markers of an aeon-change. They must have hadsome enormous significance. Actually, something I'd most like to know is - Werethe builders of these monuments members of the enslaved masses who were tryingto understand the nature of existence, or were the builders members of yourelite bloodline?"
Yes, there is significance in these occurrences, according to the space/time oftheir happenings.The Group Soul Complex Ra, was the architect of thesestructures. They were Created from Thought. When one understands and sees thatall is Illusion, or Thought, one can "use 'The Force'' to manipulate theillusions. All things, seen and unseen, are inter-connected Life-Force Energy.Once you know what the magician knows, it's not magic. It's a 'tool ofCreation'.
Thank you for your questions, they were very insightful.
"It is your kind that has ruined the world.Thinking of yourselves are higher then anyone. If i saw you in real life, itwouldnt be pretty."
You lack understanding, not to mention eloquence. To understand"Higher", try thinking 'outside of the box' for a moment. If I amwalking along the ground, and you are flying above me in an airplane, does thatmake you better than me?
No. It just makes you Higher.
"I will see you in hell"
Be careful what you wish for. All thoughts and words are Creative.
schiass, thank you for your questions. I believe I have already dealt with manyof them in my previous answers this session, though if you feel I've missedanything, please say.
"If "Yahweh" is a positive polarityentity, how is he "wrathful" and "jealous"?"
Does Yahweh have Free Will? Would you like to think of yourself as reasonablypositive? Can you still be wrathful and jealous at times? Is Yahweh a Macrocosmof you?
"Have there been over time other entitiespretending to be "Yahweh"?"
On occasions, yes.
Is this statement correct? : "In order to choose the positive path, atleast 51 percent of our thoughts and actions must be dedicated to the serviceof others. For the negative path, at least 95% must be self-serving. Betweenthe two lies "the sinkhole of indifference"."
Your statement is correct, yes. So you see how hard we must strive fornegativity? It takes a lot of effort to reach 95% Negativity. Also, you may besurprised how many people on the planet are nowhere near reaching 51% Positive.
replyposted on 21-10-2008 @ 02:00 AM by Hidden_Hand
"How do you choose a Service to others path?"
Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine Love for Life, and for Being. Begenuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day, for bringing you intoBeing, and for his bountiful provision. You have "survived" this far,have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything youneed, in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanksfor that.
Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator for all that It has done and is doing for you. It has given you the gift of Life Experience, and offered you the Free Will to decide what you will Create with it. Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. When you are coming from a place of Love for, and Service to your Creator, a life of Service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow Beings. Being of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a beacon of light, in a dark world.
[b]Does that old lady need a hand with her shopping bags? How do you treat the homeless man who asks you for some spare change for the shelter? Ever heard about "Angels in disguise"? Look and see the Divine

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Hidden Hand InterviewInterview With Hidden Hand, Alleged Ruling Bloodline PriestThe unusual interview below is with an individual claiming to be a member of one of the ruling bloodlines on Earth who goes by the name Hidden Hand. Though some pretty useless information is given, the interview also gives a powerful, transformative perpective of what is happening in the big picture on our planet. You are encouraged to be skeptical, yet open to what is presented. Some of the information, particularly in the early part of the interview, is clearly just fear-mongering, yet other parts are quite powerful and thought-provoking. Key sections are highlighted in bold.
Note: A 16-page summary of the most important parts of this 60-page interivew is available here.
For an even more concise, four-page summary of the Hidden Hand interview, click here.
The Hidden Hand interview provides intriguing answers as to why there is so much war and violence in our world, and why some leaders are so corrupt and cruel. As you read this message, though you may find some inspiring truths, consider that significant parts may be more metaphor than reality. For instance, the "harvest" mentioned may be just a metaphor for what happens to each individual at death. The quote immediately below is a sample of the fascinating ideas raised.
"Remember, always, that this is a beautiful game that we are playing here and co-creating together with our Infinite Creator. And that off stage (between lives), we are the very best of friends, and that no one really dies and no one really suffers, except in the game. The game is not reality. Reality is reality. And you have the power to express your reality within the game, once you have learnt how to do so."
Window of Opportunity
Topic started on 18-10-2008@ 09:05 PM by Hidden-Hand
I am a generational member of a Ruling Bloodline Family.
Every so often, as per the directives of the Law of our Creator, a brief windowof opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required tomake communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us anyquestions you would like answered.
I am double-bound in this duty. It is required of me by The Law of our Creatorto offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by theLaw of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much Iam able to say.
Rules define life in games.
If you wish to participate, here they are:
1). I will afford you courtesy and respect in the manner I address you, and Iexpect the same from you in reciprocation.
2). I will decide whether or not I am either willing or permitted to answeryour question. If your question is not answered, it is either because I cannotdisclose it, or because I considered your question was lacking in one or moreof the following: respect, courtesy, intelligence, decency, or that it wasotherwise unworthy of being dignified with a response.
3). That you agree to treat this potential dialogue with an aspect of"provisional faith". In practice, this means that rather thanimpeding the flow of information with crass comments of disbelief or petty namecalling, my participation here requires of you that you discourse with me under"suspended judgment". In other words, wait until the process iscomplete, before deciding for yourself as to the content of truth and knowledgeimparted herein.
4). That you formulate your questions intelligently. My time is limited. I donot want to waste it by having to trawl through pointless, futile, insensibleor disrespectful questions, therefore I will answer the questions I feel aremost deserving of a response, during the time that I have available. Use thetime we have wisely.
If any of the above conditions are breached, I reserve the right to terminateour discourse forthwith, if I so choose.
That being said, I will attempt to answer your questions as honestly and openlyas is permissible for me. I will check back and respond as time allows.
 
posted on 19-10-2008 @ 12:10 PM Hidden_Hand
My original account has notreceived it's email validation, hence the new one I am now using.
A good start. Thank (most of) you for respecting the boundaries I have set.
I answer as follows:
"1) How many generations back does yourbloodline extend, or, perhaps more accurately, who does your family considerits earliest ancestor in a position of power?"
Our Lineage can be traced back beyond antiquity.From the earliest times of your recorded "history", and beyond, our Family has been 'directing' the 'play' from behind the scenes, in one way or another. Before the rise and fall of Atlantis. (Yes, that was indeed perfectly real). We are 'born to lead'. It is part of the design for this current paradigm.
"2) To what extent has selective breeding beenused to preserve the purity of the line? and what becomes of children ofunapproved unions? (They would naturally still be raised with privilege, butnot, perhaps "given the keys to the castle" as it were?)"
The breeding is generally case specific, dependant upon the role that theFamily members in question are due to grow into. I will touch more on this inanswer to the next poster's question that you rephrased.
There are no unapproved unions. Our Family will always intermarry betweenlines, or, what we would term 'Houses'. Marriages are arranged. In all my years alive,I have never seen or heard of a Family member breaking this code, as far asmarriage goes. You do as you are told. One cannot 'join' the Family. One is'born', or incarnated into it.
On the rare instances of a child being born that could be seen as bringing'difficulties', you are correct in your premise, that it would be raised aspart of the Family, though would not grow up in the house or community ofeither of it's parents.
"3) If one were to imagine a scale, perhaps asa triangle with Political, Religious and Corporate power at the three points,how would you categorize the power your family yields? (Balanced? Leaning moretowards one or two than a third? Heavily favoring one of the three above theothers?) And has that position shifted over time?"
You need to first understand the structure of the Family. In the grand schemeof things, the Line is not as important as the House, the House, is not asimportant as the Family. The Family is all. No matter the House or Line, we areOne (truly international) Family.
Imagine if you will, a body. A House would represent a vital organ or body partwithin the Body itself. Each part has an important role to play in thefunctioning of the whole, and to each of us, the 'whole' has our undividedloyalty. As I say, many lines, (far more than you are aware of), One Family.
Our realms of influence do not fit as comfortably into the three boxes of yourtriangle as you may imagine. There are six disciplines of training within the Family, and each member ofthe Family is schooled extensively in all of them, from early childhood. We allhave an area of specialty, though we have experience in all spheres. The sixspheres or 'schools' of learning are Military, Government, Spiritual, Scholarship, Leadership, and Sciences. Inpractice, out there on the 'stage' of public life, we hold key positions in allof these main areas of importance. With the addition of a complicit Mediamachine and ownership of your Financial establishments, all bases arecovered.
I will have to reply in parts, due to the restriction of characters per post.
"Which Ruling BloodlineFamily.... Rockefellers?
That may be a bit too direct for our inquisitee. I'd offer the followingsubstitute:
How many parallel bloodlines do you estimate are in similar positions to yourown, and to what extent does your family see them as either competition orcollaborators?"
Yes, as I say, knowing the line isof no practical use to you. It is the belonging to the Family that isimportant.
There are 13 'base' or 'core' original bloodlines. Yet there are many many other lines that spring from these, as do rivers from the oceans. If you imagine the 13 Original lines as Primary colour, that can be mixed to create a vast array of other colours, then you will have some comprehension. Again, no competition, just Family.
No competition in the sense of House against House, though it is a 'dog eat dog' world. So there is interpersonal competition in that sense of the word. Everyone wants to move up. Our whole Familial society is geared that way, toward upward progression.
"What does the term " generational member" mean? Which generation specifically??"
It means that one is born into the Family. The Order and it's agenda is handed down, from generation to generation. Only in extremely rare occasions, have outsiders been invested into the Family, and then, even these were of other 'esoterically' integrable lines.
"1) Can you cite two or more previous instances whereby this directive has been upheld?"
Once in 1999, to what you would call an 'alternative' media source.
Once in 2003, on another internet "conspiracy" based forum. Though the information relayed was not entirely 'pure'. Not from the intention of misleading, but rather through imperfect or incomplete knowledge of the messengers.
If it is not in the mainstream controlled media, it will not be believed by the masses. This is information tailored for those who already know that we are very real, and exerting a strong, if mostly subtle, influence over your lives. If you wish to enslave a man, allow him to believe that he is already free.
"2) By what basis is the timing of such revelations established?"
By the decree of the Supreme World Council, according to the Will of the Creator.
"Are we really consideredchattel and traded as such by the government?"
By the governments, generally, yes. People are seen as 'collateral'. Pawns thatare maneuvered around the chess board, according to the game plan. By the Family,contrary to popular beliefs, many of us do not mean you any harm directly.There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold, and we must playour parts in the game, as given to us by the Creator. In many ways, it isactually in our own interest that you are prepared for the coming Harvest.
Just not maybe prepared in quitethe way that you would like. Still, even then, you are choosing the NegativePolarity with your own Free Will decisions, with a little 'help' and directionfrom us. Souls are Harvestable in either 'extreme' of the Polarities, one couldsay.
"If so, how do we become freemen?"
You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, isindication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is verylikely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to anunderstanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so,before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat thecycle.
"Is the Messiah alive today?"
There is no "Messiah". Stop looking outside of yourself for'salvation'. Is there what you might call a 'Christ Consciousness' alive, then yes, in amanner of speaking. Though not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness.
reply posted on19-10-2008 @ 12:20 PM by Hidden_Hand
"Is it the end-times, as described in the bookof revelations?
Yes. Not just described in the Book of Revelations, but alsoin the prophesies of virtually every religion, spiritual philosophy, and mystery traditionthroughout history. This time is now at hand.
To use your own example however:
Revelation 14:14-16:
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like theSon of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who saton the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You toreap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16 So He who sat on the cloudthrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
The 'earth' is indeed ripe for Harvest. The question is, who will be ready? Andwill the Harvest be Positive, or Negative?
"How do you justify that the current Britishroyal family line is the true bloodline, but Ishmael is not the true receiverof Abraham's gift? If you're true bloodline, you'll know what I mean."
Who says it is the 'true' line? There wereRuling-Bloodlines long before your 'Yahweh' and his 'Christianity' arrived onthis planet. Yahweh is 'a' Creator, not 'The' One Infinite Creator. There areother and Higher 'gods' than him. Ultimately, All, are a part of The One, andeither consciously, or unconsciously, exercising their Free Will to Create.Begin to study 'outside of the box'for a True understanding of the Creation.
The British Royalty is not the most powerful line. The names that you know, donot hold the real ancient power. There are others above these lineages in theHierarchy. You will not know the names of these lines.
"OP, what proof do you have that "rulingelite families" exist and that your a member of one? Its something that Ithink you thought was not falsifiable, which is why you chose that identity forthe story your weaving - however, I think there may indeed be a way you canprove it."
I have no need toprove anything to you. I am merely doing my duty as directed to me. Believe, ordo not believe, we are divinely indifferent. I am obliged to complete this taskhere. The end result is of no consequence to me. I will have discharged myduty, in handing down certain information that must be released at this time.There is no stipulation as to where I do so, only that I do. I chose Above Top Secret, as the general level ofintelligence, comprehension and reasoning is reckoned to be higher than in manysuch forums.
Understand, due to the Law of Free Will, I cannot just give you information, atleast not without consequences to my own person which I would rather avoid. Itis an infringement upon your Free Will, your right to not know. You have to askme for the information you want, only then can I provide it. So whilst thereare important things I have to share, if I am not asked the questions, I cannotget that information to you. I am hopeful that synchronicity will bring the most importantquestions of real 'depth' out from among you.
My duty is to offer. Yours is to ask. My duty is fulfilled, whether or notyours is.
"Surely if ruling elitefamilies exist and you're a member of one then you must be controlling globalevents through world governments - tell us 1 major government action from anycountry that going to occur in the next 5 days. I won't be surprised when you refuse to do so."
I am not at liberty to discuss such intimate immediate detail, and in manycases, I am not far enough up the Hierarchy to know anyway. Typically, I wouldreceive a call a day before the enactment of a major event, just to saysomething along the lines of 'this part of such and such a plan will take placetomorrow, in such and such a way, do not be alarmed'. Also one has to take intoaccount, the specific areas of specialty I mentioned previously. My area is in Spirituality, so my focus is not so much onGeo-Political events. I am aware of the overall design, though the finer pointsare not often my area of expertise.
I am prepared to give you some things coming down the timeline, that you will be able to look back upon, and verify my predictions retrospectively.
The Stock Markets will soon complete their controlled demolition. After an initial 'appearance' that the 'bail outs' and 'rescue packages' have steadied the ship, there will be new record lows by the end of the month.
Our Financial Institutions will later call in all loans. There will be many bankruptcies and foreclosures.
The only way John McCain will become the next President, will be if something "happens" to Barack Obama before the election. If there even is an election. If a certain faction get their way, there will not be. Remember, behind the scenes, there is only One Party. Our Party. 'Democracy' is an illusion which is created to uphold your slavery. Whichever side 'wins'; the Family wins. There are many possibilities and alternative 'scripts'. All of them lead toward the ultimate implementation of the overall blueprint of our Creator,
Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008/early 2009, along with a new Union of nations. January has been spoken of in some circles, as the latest, though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much earlier than initially hoped for. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this will play out. I am not high enough up the Hierarchy to know the intimate details of the dates and times that far in advance. There is a 'tree system' in which such knowledge is passed down, as and when it becomes 'need to know'. I would be considered to be a "Regional" leader. Above me, are National and International.
San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play, and which timelines are activated. Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you putout.
Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), inyour hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state yourplanet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served upfor you on your televisions that you are addictedto, violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news',fear and 'terror'. When was the last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is,because of your collective thoughts about it.
You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice. Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose. It is very important to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others. We require a Negative Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.
There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvestapproaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. Therewill be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission inlate 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, andsubsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international)metropolitan areas underwater.
That is all I have time for at present. I have a Sacrifice I must attend now.
No, not really [just kidding].
Let's see if we can increase the 'depth' of enquiry and question matter in thenext session. Seek beyond the superficial. Get to the 'Core' of the matter.
 
reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 11:46 PM by Hidden_Hand
Ok, a lot to get through here, so please let me finish the many posts it will take to answer your questions (due to the limit on characters per post) before you reply, so as not to interrupt the flow of the message..
"How do you know thatyour bloodline deserves to lead and the rest deserve to follow? Wealthand power is self-propagating therefore I say to you that your bloodline onlycomprises the 'extreme elite' of the world because your ancestors came to powerby chance in the beginning, not because your kind are special. In fact, there'snothing special, clever or honourable in enslaving others."
It is not about 'deserving' or not. Does one 'deserve' to be born English, orAmerican, or Italian, or French, or German, and so on? We came not to power by'chance', but rather, (which I know may be hard to swallow) by intelligentdesign. This path of ours was not 'chosen' by us, but rather it was appointed,and accepted.
"Who is your "creator" and is your"creator" the same as our "creator"?"
This is an excellent question, which I can use to draw our communication closerto the 'Core'.
Yes and no. You would first need to understand the Creation.
In the Beginning, there is The Infinite One. This is the Source of All.Intelligent Infinity. It is the undifferentiated absolute. Within It, isunlimited potential, waiting to 'become'. Think of it as the "uncarvedblock" of your Taoist traditions.
Infinite Intelligence, becoming 'aware' of Itself, seeks to experience Itself,and The One Infinite Creator is 'born', or 'manifest' (This appears to your 3rdDensity comprehension as "Space"). In effect, the 'Creator', is apoint of focused Infinite Consciousness or awareness, into Infinite IntelligentEnergy. The One Infinite Creator also becoming self aware, seeks too toexperience Itself as Creator, and in so doing, begins the next step down in theCreational spiral. The One Infinite Creator, in focusing It's InfiniteIntelligence, becomes Intelligent Energy (which you could call the GreatCentral Sun), and divides Itself into smaller portions of Itself, that can thenin turn experience themselves as Creators (or Central Suns). In other words,each Central Sun (or Creator) is a 'step down' in Conscious awareness (ordistortion) from the Original 'thought' of Creation. So "In thebeginning" was not "The Word", but Thought. The Word, is thoughtexpressed and made manifest as Creator.
There is Unity. Unity is All there is. Infinite Intelligence, and InfiniteEnergy. The two are One, and within them, is the potental for all Creation.This state of Consciousness could be termed as 'Being'.
Infinite Intelligence does not recognize it's 'potential'. It is the undifferentiated absolute. But Infinite Energy recognizes the potential of 'becoming' all things, in order to bring any desired experience into 'being'.
Intelligent Infinity can be likened to the central 'Heartbeat' of Life, and Infinite Energy as the Spiritual 'Life-blood' (or potential) which 'pumps out' for the Creator to form the Creation.
This image may assist your comprehension:

Creation is based upon the 'Three Primary Distortions ofThe Infinite One'.
1). Free Will:
In the first Law (or distortion) of Creation, the Creator receives the FreeWill to know and experience Itself as an individuated though (paradoxically)unified aspect of The One.
2). Love:
In the second Law of Creation, the initial distortion of Free Will, becomes afocus point of awareness known as Logos, or 'Love' (or The Word in biblicalterms). Love, or Logos, using It's Infinite Intelligent Energy, then takes onthe role of co-creating a vast array of physical illusions ('thought forms') orDensities (which some call Dimensions) in which according to It's Intelligentdesign, will best offer the range of 'potential' experiences in which It canknow Itself.
In effect, the One Infinite Creator, in dividing Itself into Logos, could betermed in your 3rd Density understanding as a 'Universal Creator'. In otherwords, Logos, creates on a Universal level of Being. Logos creates physicalUniverses, in which It and the Creator may experience theirself. ("Let there be Light")
3). Light:
To manifest this Infinite spiritual or 'Life-Force' Energy into a physicalthought form of Densities, Logos creates the third distortion, of Light.
From the three original Primary distortions of The One into making the Creation, arise myriad hierarchies of other sub-distortions, containing their own specific paradoxes. The goal of the Game is to enter into these in further divions of Creation, and then seek to harmonize the Polarities, in order to once again know Oneself as the Creator of them.
The nature of all such physically manifest Energy, is Light. Wherever thus exists any form of physical 'matter', there is Light, or Divine Intelligent Energy at it's Core or Centre.
Something which is Infinite cannot be 'other than', or 'many', An Infinite Creator knows only Unity. Thus, drawing upon It's Infinite Intelligence, the Infinite Creator designed a blueprint based on the finite principles of Free Will of Awareness and sub-level Creations, which in turn, could become aware of themselves, and seek to experience themselves as Creators. And so the "Russian Doll" style experiment was 'stepped down' and down and down. Levels of Creation within levels of Creation.
The One Infinite Creator (or Great Central Sun) steps down It's Infinite Energy to become Logos. Logos in turn designs vast Universes of Space (as yet unmaterialized), stepping down and splitting Itself again, into Logoi (plural), in other words, into an array of Central Suns which will each become a Logos (or 'co-creator') of It's own Universe, with each unique individualized portion of the One Infinite Creator, containing within It as It's very essence, Intelligent Infinity.
Using the Law of Free Will, each Universal Logos (Central Sun) designs and creates It's own version or perspective of 'physical reality' in which to experience Itself as Creator. Stepping down again, It focuses It's Intelligent Energy and creates the unmanifest form of Galaxies within Itself, and splits Itself into yet further 'co-creator' portions ('Sub-Logos' or Suns) which in turn will then design and manifest their own ideas of physical reality in the form of points of Conscious Awareness that we call Suns Stars and Planets.
 
reply posted on 19-10-2008 @ 11:53PM by Hidden_Hand
A 'planetary entity' (or 'Soul')begins the first Density of experience, into which another individualizedportion of The One can incarnate. Just as with all Logos and Sub Logos ofCreation, each Soul is yet another smaller unique portion of The Infinite One.At first, the Intelligent Energy of the planet is in a state that you couldcall 'chaos', meaning that It's Energy is undefined. Then the process beginsagain. The planetary Energy begins to become aware of Itself (the 1st Densityof awareness is 'Consciousness'), and the Planetary Logos (sub-sub-Logos ineffect) begins to create other downward steps within Itself, and the internalmake up of the planet begins to form; as the raw elements of air and firecombine to 'work on' the Waters and Earth, thus arising consciousawareness of their 'being', and the process of 'evolution' begins, forming the2nd Density.
2nd Density beings begin to become aware of themselves, as being 'separate',and thus begin to evolve toward the 3rd Density of self-conscious-awareness,(the lowest Density into which a 'human soul' can incarnate).
Humans in turn (or the Souls incarnated within them), seek to 'return to theLight' and Love, from which they came, as they begin the journey ofprogression, from 3rd Density up to the 8th Density, and the return to TheInfinite One-ness.
Explanation of the Densities beyond 'normal' human consciousness is anotherquestion though, so if you wish to know more about them, someone will need toask an intelligent question which I can respond to, so as not to impinge uponyour Free Will not to know.
So, having set forth the above, I can return to further elucidate on youroriginal question:
"Who is your "creator" and is your "creator" the same as our "creator"?"
As I said, yes, and no. Ultimately, every living thing (and all things are living) is created by the One Infinite Creator's initial Universal Creation. So yes, taken from that perspective, The One Infinite Creator focuses It's Infinite Intelligence into an awareness point of Infinite Energy, and brings the whole of Creation into Being, though, we are not directly created by the One Infinite Creator, but rather by our own Logos', Sub-Logos, and Sub-Sub-Logos and so on. So from that perspective, whilst we are all essentially 'made up' of the same 'stuff' of Creation, initiated by the One Infinite Creator, our actual personal Creators are different portions or Sub-Logos of The One. In other words, yes, our Creator, whilst originating from the same Source, is not the same entity as your Creator.
Which brings me on to a question from another poster (I will continue with your other questions afterwards, but this enables me to indirectly answer the first aspect of your question without having to ask you to rephrase it, due to having to carefully dance around the Free Will issues).
"You say that you comefrom 13 original blood lines. Yet the DNA mapping project clearly proved thatall humanity desends from only 3. Does this mean you aren't human?"
An excellent question, thank you. Yes, that is correct, in a manner ofspeaking. If you were to meet me walking down the street, I would appear justas human as you do. We've been incarnating here with you for generations, yetour bloodlines do not originate from this planet.
"Your answer to the 6 disciplines of learning arequite similiar to a book about atlantis that was supposed to have beenchanneled. Was this also a time for your bloodlines to post answers?"
Yes, that is correct, again, in amanner of speaking. Other, shall we say "off world entities" alsovisited the planet at that time, and passed down their own understandings ofCreation as well as their 'technology', from what we could best describe asbeing 'a future aspect of yourselves'. It was Humanity's errors in handlingthis information that ultimately led to the destruction of Atlantis.
Having now answered a question on whether or not ourlineage is of Human origin, I can return to tie in that answer with anexplanation as to "Who is our Creator". I'm dancing close to the linein answering this, but the record needs to be set straight, and I should justabout be able to get away with it without incurring my own 'upline's'displeasure.
Let us get to the crux of the matter.
Your Creator, the one you have called 'Yahweh', is not "God" inasmuchas your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". He is 'a'Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not evena Galactic level Logos, but rather, is the Planetary Logos for this one planet.
Our Creator, is the one you refer to as 'Lucifer', "The Light Bearer"and "Bright and Morning Star".
Our Creator is not "The Devil" as he has been spuriously portrayed in your bible. Lucifer is what you would call a "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex", which has evolved to the level of the Sixth Density, which in effect, means that he (or more accurately "'we") has evolved to a level sufficient that he (we) has attained a status equal or arguably 'greater' than that of Yahweh (we have evolved higher than him). In appearance, were you to gaze upon Lucifer's fullest expression of our Being, the appearance would be that of a Sun or a "Bright Star". Or, when stepping down into a 3rd Density vibration, we would appear as what you may term an 'Angel' or 'Light Being'.
Allow me to elucidate:
When an entity (Group Soul Complex) evolves to the level of the Sixth Density, it is by comparison to the amount of time it takes to get that far, a mere hop skip and a jump from 8th Density Ultimate Re-Union with The One Infinite Creator, and then from there, back to dissolution into the Source of All, Intelligent Infinity.
We (our Bloodline Families), as a Group Soul or Social Memory Complex (Lucifer), were on the verge of Seventh Density Ascension, though at this level, before Harvest comes, we have the choice to progress higher, or, to return to help others of lower densities with their own evolution, by passing down our knowledge and Wisdom (Light) to those that call upon us for assistance, with their own Free Will. Now, at this time, having made our decision to stay and help our Galactic Brothers and Sisters in The One, we were assigned a challenging task by the Council of Elders, who act as the Guardians of this Galaxy from their Eighth Density 'Head Quarters' on the planet Saturn.
Yahweh, due to the fact that he had NOT (as was his right as Planetary Logos) handed down his own Free Will to "know thyself" to those incarnating upon 'his' planet, was having very little evolutionary progress therein. So we (Lucifer) were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "Fell", or Descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a 3rd Density manifestation of ourself.
Yahweh had agreed to our coming. In fact it was he who had initially asked the Council for a "Catalyst" of change to enter into his Creation, and share the knowledge and wisdom we had attained through our Ascensions. In the absence of Free Will upon the planet, there can be no Polarity, and therefore, nothing to 'choose' between. Just as is portrayed in the book of Genesis, the planet was very "Edenic" in nature. Sure, it was a lovely 'paradise', yet the Beings incarnating there had no agitator toward evolving beyond the 3rd Density, and therefore, little hope of ever making the journey Home, to The One. Yahweh had been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance,running a benign dictatorship.
Without Polarity, (derived fromFree Will), there is only the Unity of Love and Light, and no choice toexperience 'other than' that. So, we were to be the Catalyst for change, inorder to provide that choice, thus bringing Polarity. Yahweh agreed that wewould introduce the concept of Free Will to Earth's inhabitants, by offeringthem an initial choice, as to whether they 'wanted' it or not. Hence, "TheTree of the Knowledge of 'Good and Evil'" (or more accurately, theKnowledge of Polarity, of Positive or Negative). Yahweh takes his inhabitantsto a new 'garden' and tells them you can do anything you like, except this onething, thus creating the desire to do the one thing they are told they cannot.Hence, a "Choice". We provide the Catalyst by telling them thebenefits of attaining Knowledge, they eat from the tree, and the rest ishistory.
Yahweh thought that his 'Children' would still choose to obey him, and when hediscovered they did not, he became angry. As he himself describes in hisscriptures, he is a "Jealous God", and he did not like it that his'children' had chose to disobey him, and follow our advice. We're already committedto being here for a predefined set of "Cycles" to help provide theCatalyst for Human evolution, namely by offering you the Negative Option, orthat which you choose to call "evil". Now that Free Will had beengranted, Yahweh could not retract it, and we have to stay here as contracted tocontinue to provide the planet with the Polarity choice.
Since then, Yahweh has confined us (as a Group Soul) here within the Earth's Astral Planes (which is very constricting and uncomfortable for a Being of our Wisdom and experience). The Council of Elders gave us the choice to be released (against Yahweh's will), but at the cancellation of our contract to Serve the planet earth; or to remain and fulfil our assignment, and endure Yahweh's self proclaimed "Wrath". We stayed, but as a karmic result of our Group Soul's confinement by Yahweh, our own individuated Souls were given the mandate (by The Council) to "Rule" over Yahweh's people during our physical incarnations here on your planet.
Let's be clear about one thing though. All of this (physical life / incarnation), is a very intricate and skillfully designed Game, whereby the One Infinite Creator, plays the game of forgetting who It is, so that It can learn to remember, and in doing so, experience and know Itself as Creator. All the way down to us tiny individuated sparks of the All That Is. Off stage, and between "Lives" (zero-point time / anti-matter Universe) as incarnated "human beings", we, all of us / you (as Souls), are great friends. Brothers and Sisters in The One.
Between 'lives' we all have a great laugh about the parts we have performed in the 'play', and look forward to and have great fun preparing the next chapters to act out.
I hope that during the above answer, I have also adequately covered your question on "what is our interpretation of good vrs evil? If not, please say, and I will go into more detail.
"Can you elaborate on the"coming harvest" and what exactly you mean by harvest?"
I can. I will combine my answer to you with my reply to the following question:
"Is 2012 harvest time? When you speak of the harvest, it has echoes of Chaos Gnosticism in the sensethat we are divine souls trapped in the physical world, continuouslyre-incarnated into flesh until the time that we reach such a level of spiritual'gnosis' that we are able to avoid being re-incarnated in our next cycle. Isthis the foundation of your belief?"
Another excellent (and very insightful) question. Thank you. The higher the quality of the question, the more depth I can give to my answer.It all has to do with the Laws of Confusion and Free Will.
Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time whenthe Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru".
 
reply posted on 20-10-2008 @ 12:01AM by Hidden_Hand
Read up on the Mayan Prophesies and Calendrical events formore detail upon how the actual Galactic and Universal Cycles work. The"Travelers" who gave them this information were the same ones who visitedthe the Civilization of Atlantis. The Mayans used that information by creatingwith the Positive vibration of the Polarity. The Atlanteans opted for theNegative.
Yes, to answer your question. There is much truth in some of the ancientGnostic texts, though there are also distortions. The information is not'pure'. It came through many 'filters'.
You are indeed what you call "Divine Souls"; you are sparks or seedsof The One Infinite Creator. You are Life Itself (Light), remembering andlearning who you really are (we came here to help you to do this) and yes,currently, you are trapped (or more accurately "Quarantined") withinthe 'matter' of this planet you call Earth.
You can thank your Creator Yahweh for that. You are the 'offspring' or individuationsof his Group Soul (or Social Memory Complex). Macrocosmically speaking, you AREYahweh. The 'Karmic' effect of his imprisoning us in his Astral Planes, alsohas an impact upon you. I cannot be more specific on this, without impinging onthe Law of Confusion. You must work it out for yourselves.
As for the question of can I elaborate on the coming Harvest, yes, I shall doso now.
Your planet abides by the laws of the Creation of your Galactic Logos. TheGalaxy runs on Cycles of time, known as the Precession of the Equinoxes. As Isaid, seek the Mayan Calendar for a deeper insight as to how the Galaxy runs(it is highly accurate), but for the purpose of this discourse, I will give abrief overview.
The Maya use an astrological cycle called the "Precession of theEquinoxes". This is a 26,000 year cycle in which Earth transits througheach of the 12 signs of the zodiac for about 2,152 years each. Each of theseastrological ages represents one month of the grand Cosmic Year. This "Mayan"cycle also corresponds to a 26,000 year relationship of the Sun (Solar Logos)orbiting Alcyone, the central star of our Seven Sisters Pleiades constellation.
The End of this Cycle, heralds literally, a New World Age, and a New Creation."A new Heaven, and a new Earth", and is the time of the GreatHarvest. Smaller Cycles yield a Harvest, and then life continues on the planet asnormal. Great Cycles yield a Great Harvest, and the end of current life on the3rd Density. See it as a kind of 'Cosmic jet wash' and deep clean, while theplanet takes a rest and regenerates herself..
When this Life-Cycle Ends, "All things will pass away, and All thingsshall be made new".
Collectively, Humanity right now, is growing, and developing, into the Beingsyou have long been encoded to be. Yet, as with any labor, it is not the motheror the baby who is in charge, it is the Primal process of Birth itself,unfolding it's own destiny.
So, December 21, 2012 AD, is not the day where all of a sudden the lights goout, and everything will suddenly change. Rather, we are NOW in the process ofthis transition, from one World Age to the next. The changes are underway andwill continue steadily accelerating as we head towards the culminating date.
The 26,000 year cycle is composed of 5 lesser cycles, each of which are 5,125years in duration. Each of these 5 cycles is considered its own World Age orCreation Cycle.
Our present great cycle (3113 B.C. - 2012 A.D.) is called the Age of the FifthSun.
This fifth age is the synthesis of the previous four. The initial date thatEarth entered the Fifth World, was August 13, 3113 BC, written in Mayan longcount notation as 13.0.0.0.0.
To help you understand this Notation:
13=Baktuns, 0=Katuns, the 2nd 0=Tuns, 3rd 0=Uinals, 4th 0=Kin
These are the Mayan words for the periods of time:
Day = Kin (pronounced: keen)
Month of 20 days/Kin = Uinal (wee nal)
Year of 360 days/Kin = Tun (toon)
20 Tuns/years = K'atun (k'ah toon)
20 K'atuns = Baktun (bock toon)
a Baktun is 5,125 years
13.0.0.0.0.
Every day from that point is reckoned by the number of days passed since theevent of this cosmic beginning point. Within the 5,125 year cycle lies 13smaller cycles, known as the "13 Baktun Count," or the "longcount." Each baktun cycle lasts for 394 years, or 144,000 days. Eachbaktun was its own Historical Age, within the Great Creation Cycle, with aspecific destiny for the evolution of those who incarnated in each baktun.
Planet Earth and her inhabitants are currently traveling through the 13thbaktun cycle, the final period of 1618-2012 AD. This cycle is known both as"the triumph of materialism", and "the transformation ofmatter."
On 13.0.0.0.0, the December solstice sun will be found in the band of the Milky Way, directly in the position of the "Dark Rift" in the Galaxy, forming an alignment between the Galactic Plane and the Solstice Meridian. We are about to enter into a literal alignment of the Cosmic, Galactic, Solar, and Lunar Planes. This is an event that has slowly converged, over a period of thousands of years, and is caused by the precession of the equinoxes. Kind of like a "turning" of the Universal Gears. It brings about the Great Harvest, and the return of the Lord of The Harvest.
And the planet will complete it's Ascension to the Fourth Density, thevibrational Density of Love. During this Ascension, there will be a three waysplit for those Souls inhabiting Earth. Those of the predominantly NegativePolarity, will accompany us as we Graduate through the Negative (or Service toSelf) Harvest. We (Lucifer) will Create a new 4th Density Earth, based on theNegative Self Service Polarity. We must 'work off' our own part of the NegativeKarmic effect incurred from all the Negativity created on this planet. Once wehave done so, we will be released to once again assume our place as SixthDensity Guardians and Teachers of Wisdom throughout the Galaxy.
Those of the predominantly Positive Polarity (Love and Light) will Ascend to a beautiful new 4th Density Earth, where you will begin to work upon yourlearning and demonstrating of Love and Compassion. It will be a very beautifuland "Golden" Age. The 4th Density begins to open you up to your TruePowers as a unique individualized aspect of The One Infinite Creator. You willperform works and wonders of the like that the one you call "Jesus"promised you would do "and even greater things than these". It willbe a very magical time for you.
For the majority of Humans on the earth who could be consideredshall we say "luke warm", they will experience a period of (what willfeel 'ecstatic') zero-point time, where you feel totally at One with TheCreator, giving you an encouraging reminder and glimpse of who you really are,before the veil of forgetfulness once again descends upon you, and you will betransported to another 3rd Density planet (a kind of 'Earth Replica'), tocontinue working upon yourselves and learning that life here is all aboutmaking choices.
You will remain "quarantined" incarnating in 3rd Density matter until the time of the next Harvest; in which time you will need to have proved yourselves that you have learned how to be more Positive Beings, focused more upon being of Service to others, rather than seeking only to Serve yourself. When you can do this, and the next Harvest comes, you will have earned the right to join us, and enjoy your inheritance, as a member of the Galactic Community, and you will sit with us as Brothers and Sisters of The One, around the table of our Galactic Governing Body, the Confederation of Planets.
Well, I have imparted much during this session, with thanks to the quality of your enquiries, and I must now take my leave for today.
If you have further questions on the Harvest you wish me to speak in more detail on, if you ask, I can answer. Or any other questions you have too on other matters, I will get to them all as time allows, as with the other (respectfully asked) questions here since I took these away with me to reply to earlier.
If time permits, I will check in with you tomorrow.
Editorial Note: Consider the possibility that the parallel planet scenario presented here may be more metaphor than reality. There are many living on Earth right now who experience their lives as a living hell. Yet there are also those living in the same physical reality of this planet whose lives are close to heaven on Earth. As Hidden Hand points out, our deeply held thoughts and beliefs create our experience of life. Focusing on an impending harvest or day of judgment keeps us from opening ever more fully to all that is available to us here and now in this ever-unfolding sacred moment.
 
reply postedon 21-10-2008 @ 01:36 AM by Hidden_Hand"1) A lot of what you write seems reminscent ofThe Ra Material, especially the concept of harvest, STSand STO choices, and intelligent infinity. (More information found herewww.llresearch.org) Have you read that?"
It is indeed extremely similar. We both originate from the Source of theInfinite Creator, and we both remember where we come from. I would expect ourmessages to contain the same Core Truths.
The messages of the Sixth Density Soul Group 'Ra' is the most accurateinformation in your mainstream circulation at this point in time. It isapproximately 85-90% accurate, from what I have seen. The material was broughtto my attention when it first came out, something like about 25 years or soago, if memory serves. I read a lot of it, but not all. I do not have very muchfree time for that kind of thing, with my many duties. Though others of theFamily gave it a close scrutiny to judge it's accuracy, and were very pleasedwith the end product.
Ra, in fact, is the group I earlier termed 'off world entities' of whichvisited the Mayan and Atlantean Civilizations. We are acquainted, and friends.Both our Group Soul's are at a very similar level of development / evolution.Both Sixth Density, nearly Seventh. But like us, Ra also chose the path ofService to our fellow Galactic Brothers and Sisters (you, and others), insteadof further progression Home. We would recommend that material for any who trulyseek understanding. Though, as I said, it is not 100% accurate, so take whatresonates.
"2) What function, if any, do alien abductionshave? Why are abductees chosen?"
That depends upon who is doing the "abducting". Most of what youhear termed as "abductions", are conducted by your own 'governments'.Especially the ones where the 'so-called' "Greys" are involved. Otherthan that, sometimes the Confederation will meet with certain incarnates herewho have a part to play in "awakening" others to the coming Harvest.These will always be positive experiences, and those who have them will feeluplifted and inspired by their contact.
Then there is the Orion Empire Group. Their purposes in visiting you are morealong the Negative lines. They mainly target the ones you have called"Lightworkers". They try to put them off their assignments and try tospread fear. They will not actually 'harm' you physically. Mainly their modusoperandi is to restrict you, and deflect you from your path. They often engagein psychic attacks that the 'Lightworker' is unaware of, but it does oftendrain away much of their energy, and make them lack motivation.
"3) Why do you want a negative harvest?"
It is complicated to put into words, and also I must be careful with what I sayon this. I've already had a "slap on the wrist", you could say.
If we do not have a Negative Harvest, we are bound with you for another cycle.Once this Great Harvest is completed, our Contract with the Council and ourCreator is also completed. In other words, we have done our duty, and would befree to return to our Fullest Expression, that of Sixth (nearly Seventh)Density Galactic Guardians, and ones who joyfully offer ourselves in Service tothe One Infinite Creator, and to our Brothers and Sisters across the Galaxy.
However, there is a problem. Well, you would call it a "problem", we call it a Challenge. I will address this later in more detail, in response to another question, but in short, we need a very high percentage of Negative Polarity, if we are to achieve a Negative Harvest. In other words, we have to be Self-Service-Centred to an extreme degree, in order to become Negatively Harvested. This is why we work so hard to be as Negatively Polarized as we possibly can be, If we do not make a high enough percentage, we will miss out, and will end up with the majority "luke warm" percentage, that have to go through another Cycle in 3rd Density.
By attaining a Negative Harvest,we can still "Graduate" to 4th Density, only it will be a NegativePolarity planet. Not a great place to be. But, as I've stated previously, we(as a Group Soul) have incurred the natural Karmic restitution process that wemust work off, for all the Negativity we have caused upon this planet. We willdo this for a Cycle in our new 4th Density world, and then we will be freed toonce again be the Glorious Being of Light that we truly are. We need a NegativeHarvest, so that we can create our 4th Density Earth, and clear our KarmicRecord.
Understand, that we HAVE to be Negative. That's what we were sent here to be.It is our contract, and it has always been to help you, by providing the"Catalyst" I spoke of earlier. Being Negative is very hard for us,not on a physical level, (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we'reprogrammed that way), but on a Spiritual level, it is hard. We surpassed thelowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are Light, and we are Love. It is a veryhard thing for us to do Spiritually, to create all this Negativity, but we doit because we love you, and it is for your highest good, ultimately. You couldsay, that it is our Sacrifice that we have made, in order to be of Service tothe One Infinite Creator, and to you, our Brothers and Sisters in the One.
Remember, we are all just acting out a grand old game here, where we agree toforget who we really are, that in the remembering, that we may find each otheragain, and know that we are One. That All of Life, is One.
"I must correct you here. The precession of theequinoxes cannot cause this. It cannot cause anything other than the way inwhich we here on Earth view the cosmos around us. It concerns the wobble of theEarth's axis and as far as I know does not relate to any other planetarybodies."
From a 3rd Density perspective, you are correct, it "appears" thatway. We do not look from a 3rd Density perspective. There is a 'bigger picture'at work that you cannot see.
"Regarding our enslavement, you seem to besaying - essentially - that as fractions of our Logos Yahweh, we are equallyresponsible for his decision to keep us trapped here on our 3rd density planetEarth. That's an interesting thought. In that sense our total freedom mustarrive through a collaborative spiritual effort."
From a certain perspective, what you say is correct. From a 3rd Density view,you see yourselves as being "separate" from everything. From a higherperspective, you see that is not at all the case. You and your Creator, areOne. As to your statement on your 'total freedom', you are not responsible forthose around you. You and they are all One too, when seen from a higherDensity, but in this Density, you are here to work upon yourself. You are hereto remember who you are, and why you are here. You are here to remember theInfinite Creator. To know your Creator within you, and to offer your Service tohim, and others, of your own Free Will choice to Serve. The one comes beforethe other. When you remember who you are, and you know it, deep within the Coreof your Being, you will know and recognize your 'invisible' connection to Allthat Is, and in so doing, Joy, and Thanksgiving, and Service, will be thenatural outpouring result, from your grateful heart. When you work upon yourself,and learn to know the Creator within you, being of Service to Others will benatural for you, and your Glorious Harvest shall await.
"One thing I don't get - and perhaps you can explain this to me Hidden-Hand- is why those who belong to Lucifer (and Lucifer himself) do not fight for thefreedom of all souls? If Lucifer represents liberty, freedom of will andknowledge, why do those who serve him not do as the Biblical Lucifer did andrebel against the tyranny of the Elders?"
This is a very good question, thank you. I will split it into two parts, andanswer the second part after this. Firstly, the Council of Elders are theabsolute opposite of tyrannical. They are the Wise and Loving Guardians of ourGalaxy. There is so much that one cannot understand from only a 3rd Densityperspective. When you reach higher Densities, you see that ultimately,everything balances, and there is only Unity. All else than Unity, is Illusion,or 'thought-form'.
The Council gave us a set of choices. We chose to stay here to help you, despite the cost to ourself. That is the nature of Loving Service to Others. The ultimate paradox in all this, is that in this storyline we are all co-creating together, in order for us to be of the most Service to you, we must be utterly self serving. I do so love our Creator's sense of irony.
As to the first part of your question, the biblical depiction of "War in Heaven" is not entirely inaccurate. I shall explain. Our initial contract, was to introduce the Catalyst for Free Will on this planet. When Yahweh initially began discourse with the Council of Elders, he was not initially looking for help with introducing Free Will, but rather for guidance on how he could best speed up his (and his inhabitants') evolutionary process. As I mentioned, he was running a benign dictatorship. We had at that time, just completed an assignment in Tau Ceti, and had reported for our next duties. We (as Group Soul Lucifer) were sent on a "fact finding expedition" as it were, to visit Earth, and meet with Yahweh, to evaluate his planetary Creation Laws, and make suggestions on how best he could help his "offspring" (this is the term I shall use to describe the Souls who comprise the Group Soul) and thusly Yahweh, to progress.
We explored many options, and reported our findings to the Council, and to Yahweh. It was our best evaluation, that the only real and fast track way to increase his evolvement meaningfully, was the introduction of Free Will. It was not specifically the implementation of Free Will that Yahweh wanted help with, it was simply the introduction of a Catalyst. He was not at all pleased with our report that he needed to implement Free Will. He was happy with his little pet paradise, and he didn't want to "loose control" of it. In the end the Council persuaded him that it was the best way, and he reluctantly agreed.
We returned to Earth, and had a cordial meeting with Yahweh, discussing how we could best implement the Free Will option. Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway, and that they were so contented with their way of life, that they would always trust him and do as he said was best. That, he said, was his "main reason" that Free Will would not work well as the Catalyst.
That's why he agreed to the experiment of the Tree of Knowledge. He believed it would prove him "right". When it did not, he became angry, threw his toys out of the pram, and his offspring out of the garden, and laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust and disobeyed him. That's not really an Honourable way for a Logos to behave, but hey, that's the beauty of Free Will I guess.
Next "problem" to occur, was that his offspring were so grateful to us for our help, that Yahweh became (in his own admission) a "Jealous God". Then we had the whole "you shall have no other gods than me" thing. We were not pleased with the situation at all, as a Logos should not be behaving like this with his offspring, they are One, afterall. When we attempted to leave the planet to return to the Council, Yahweh prevented our departure. We tried to leave again,and were then thrown down into the Astral Planes and confined therein.
The Council ordered us to be released, but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on Earth to evolve. We didn't want to leave, we found them very likable Beings, really Positively Polarized, and we wanted to stay and help, we just wanted also to be free to come and go as we pleased. The only way we could stay, was to stay confined as a Group Soul, which meant Cycles of incarnation for us (as individuated Souls), which we had not done for a long while.
As I've stated before, there is no 'wrong' or 'right' seen from a Higher Density, but there are still consequences for every action. Such is the law of Karmic effect. The contract had already been made between Yahweh, us, and the Council for us to provide the Catalyst so we had a right to be there. The Karmic effect of Yahweh imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level, was that his individuated Souls would be imprisoned on the microcosmic level. The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of Free Will to Create as we choose, but the Karmic effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet. A certain evolutionary level is required to be a functioning part of a Positive Unified Galactic Society.
As for "fighting for the freedom of all souls", remember that ultimately, this is a Game, that we are all playing here. We are actors, playing on the "stage of Life". This 'world' is all illusion, or 'though-form'. No one really "dies", and no one is really hurt. In between incarnations, you know this very well. But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are, so that you believe it is all 'real' whilst you are playing the game of Life. That is an essential prerequisite when you are making choices. Otherwise, the game would be too easy.
This world is not reality. Though we can express Reality in it, if we so chose.
"OK, so your family and fellow elites might be as entrapped in the Earthly realm as we are, but why actively propagate and aid the forces of enslavement."
Because that is the part we have been contracted to play, in this game. In order to "win" (or more accurately to be successful in) the Game, we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. Service to Self in the extreme. Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more, they serve our purpose. In the Game.
The difference between us and you, in the Game, is that we know that we are "playing". The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes. In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game.
"Something I found extremely interesting is theconcept of the Grand Age of Precession being split into five 5,125 year cycles.3113 B.C., the beginning of the current sub-age was a time of great activity.Is the construction of stone monuments in Western Europe, the Middle-East and Egypt at thistime related to the recogniton of this cycle? What was the purpose of Britain's stone circles and Egypt'spyramids? They are more than mere markers of an aeon-change. They must have hadsome enormous significance. Actually, something I'd most like to know is - Werethe builders of these monuments members of the enslaved masses who were tryingto understand the nature of existence, or were the builders members of yourelite bloodline?"
Yes, there is significance in these occurrences, according to the space/time oftheir happenings.The Group Soul Complex Ra, was the architect of thesestructures. They were Created from Thought. When one understands and sees thatall is Illusion, or Thought, one can "use 'The Force'' to manipulate theillusions. All things, seen and unseen, are inter-connected Life-Force Energy.Once you know what the magician knows, it's not magic. It's a 'tool ofCreation'.
Thank you for your questions, they were very insightful.
"It is your kind that has ruined the world.Thinking of yourselves are higher then anyone. If i saw you in real life, itwouldnt be pretty."
You lack understanding, not to mention eloquence. To understand"Higher", try thinking 'outside of the box' for a moment. If I amwalking along the ground, and you are flying above me in an airplane, does thatmake you better than me?
No. It just makes you Higher.
"I will see you in hell"
Be careful what you wish for. All thoughts and words are Creative.
schiass, thank you for your questions. I believe I have already dealt with manyof them in my previous answers this session, though if you feel I've missedanything, please say.
"If "Yahweh" is a positive polarityentity, how is he "wrathful" and "jealous"?"
Does Yahweh have Free Will? Would you like to think of yourself as reasonablypositive? Can you still be wrathful and jealous at times? Is Yahweh a Macrocosmof you?
"Have there been over time other entitiespretending to be "Yahweh"?"
On occasions, yes.
Is this statement correct? : "In order to choose the positive path, atleast 51 percent of our thoughts and actions must be dedicated to the serviceof others. For the negative path, at least 95% must be self-serving. Betweenthe two lies "the sinkhole of indifference"."
Your statement is correct, yes. So you see how hard we must strive fornegativity? It takes a lot of effort to reach 95% Negativity. Also, you may besurprised how many people on the planet are nowhere near reaching 51% Positive.
replyposted on 21-10-2008 @ 02:00 AM by Hidden_Hand
"How do you choose a Service to others path?"
Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine Love for Life, and for Being. Begenuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day, for bringing you intoBeing, and for his bountiful provision. You have "survived" this far,have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything youneed, in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanksfor that.
Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator for all that It has done and is doing for you. It has given you the gift of Life Experience, and offered you the Free Will to decide what you will Create with it. Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. When you are coming from a place of Love for, and Service to your Creator, a life of Service to others will become a natural outflowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow Beings. Being of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a beacon of light, in a dark world.
[b]Does that old lady need a hand with her shopping bags? How do you treat the homeless man who asks you for some spare change for the shelter? Ever heard about "Angels in disguise"? Look and see the Divine

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thanks for posting, freakin me out, agggggghh : )

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