the roots of Christianity - 30 min documentary.

[Mornings Son]

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ion_id=annotation_994351
very enlightening and scientific in its approach

[Bob May]

Very interesting film. A lot of symbolism and parallels there,but I would dissagree with the film makers conclusions.
One thing is that The bible does not say Jesus was born in December. We looked into this years ago and the evidence points to September, probably around the equinox.
To come to the conclusion that Jesus did not exist because all of the prophecies in the Old Testament point to him coming and then he, by fulfilling those prophecies must not have come, doesn't make any sense at all.
The stories contained in the Old Testament are very old. They are Allegory. They are not history and were never written to convey historical data. They are allegories. They are symbolic stories which use the Patriarchs and people of the Jewish religion as Symbols to point to Realities. The stories are a roadmap of spiritual awareness to those on the Path to enlightenment. Allegories are veils. When looked at as the actual thing, they conceal that thing. But they also reveal things when looked at in their proper function.
The stories related in the New Testament were actual happenings. This was the time of the lifting of the veil. In fact the veil of the Holy of Holies was torn from top to bottom when Jesus die on the cross. And yet even though some "got it" it states that the veil over Moses face was still untaken away when some read the bible unto that day. It is still so "unto this day."
Ninth Octave and I have been discussing some of these things on this forum in the "how we got here" thread. 
That the Jews did not understand the importance of the coming of Jesus is obvious in the texts of the New Testament. They were looking to the coming Messiah that was written of in the prophecies as some kind of physical savior that would remove all the problems of this world for them. Destroy the Romans rule, etc.
Many Christians today see it the same way.
That Jesus fulfilled many of the Pagan prophecies is no suprise to me at all. To say that he did not exist because he fulfilled these prophecies also, just as in the case of the Old Testament, also does not make sense.
Much of the same knowledge that came to earth with the "Sons of God" was spread over the Entire earth. That is why the advanced knowlege we see in Pyramids and such is so extensively spread from the Middle East to Southeast Asia and even the Western Hemisphere.
Paul even referred to some of this knowledge that the Greeks retained:


Ac 17:22
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.




Ac 17:23
For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.




Ac 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;




Ac 17:25
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
In the film it says that some early Christians used some of the peoples beliefs to illustrate that they already had some of this knowledge in their own religious beliefs. Here in red. Paul also points out the same things. Again he is showing the roots of their own beliefs pointing to what he was preaching.


Ro 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:




Ro 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.




Ro 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,




Ro 1:23
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


This sounds a lot like the Egyptian wall carvings and paintings. Moses was said to have been raised in Egypt and was taught all of their knowledge. Joseph spent most of his life there. The Jews were said to be slaves there. The Qabala (Jewish Mysticism) was said to have come to the Jews from there. And before that? Mesopotamia or one of those Ancient civilisations.
Abraham was said to have been born in "Ur of the Chaldees." (or "Light of the Magicians")
This area of the world is said to have been the "Cradle of Civilization" and the place where the "Sons of God" beheld the daughters of men and took unto them wives. In other words where the "angels" who brought the Qabala and other knowledge to mankind would have brought this knowledge and taught it to their children. (See the Book of Enoch)
It is also the area of the world where the Epic of Gilgamesh (the oldest known book written in cuniform on clay tablets.)
was found. The flood story is there.
Of course, the story of the flood is allegory. It was then and it was when put in the bible. It is a description, in my opinion, of the spiritual experience which Don Juan calls "stopping the world." Or as I like to explain it as "when reaffirmations from the world around us become constant." 


Back to an important point:
"the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made.."
"..even his eternal power and Godhead"
Paul is very good at explaining the Allegorical nature of the stories contained in the Old Testament (and elsewhere as the story of the flood in the book of Gilgamesh shows), But here he goes a step further by pointing out the Allegorical nature of the world in which we live.
It is not too far fetched to say that we live in a book written using the symbols of matter. The book is about spiritual things, but we are not very good readers yet. Don Juan said this. The solid objects we see are not solid at all. Science agrees and calls it positive and negative charges.
Jesus proved it by walking through walls and on top of water. Later many of the disciples also demonstrated similar experiences.
If we learn to read this book we live in and the stories in the book and teachings left to us from ancient times we also will begin to experience the invisible things that these books were truly written about, and stop getting hung up on the symbols that were used to write the books.
On the other hand we do have free will we can choose to reject truth or look into it to see whether it is true or not.


2co 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.




2co 3:15
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.

[ninth octave]

I did take the time to watch this whole documentary in its entirety maybe more than three years ago. I learnt  that this world is lead by a certain few percent that hold or keep their zeitgeist together. "They" (who ever is them  is I think they are the richest families in the world) hold the world's card in their hands, politically, religiously, economically, educationally,  "they" have been working through these 4 major institutions throughout time mortal.  We  have seen their marks through out history. They even choose the networks and media for the "news" that we will watch. They create the news. It is all control.  There is nothing new under the sun  as King Solomon has experienced in the OT when  we walk in our carnal knowledge.  No room for restoration, redemption or for the  new spirit man to lead the way.  But...John 3 :16 ..
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, whosoever believes in him shall have life and never perish. 
  A Christian comes to know God through their experience of  conscious thought ,contemplation and meditation on prayer. Every person has a different perception hence a different relationship , the same as a person's  relationship is not the same as a relationship with any other person. Every interaction is different. The unity between them is the singularity that God exists. Faith is proactive. 
  Plagiarism, conspiracy  deception, paradoxical mixed messages are rooted in chaos.  The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree  in which it came.
Truth is ripe and delicious and also rotten to the core.

[Bob May]

Amen A siris

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