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Hiya..
Thought it woudl be interesting to start a thread on yoga here. Herba .. I would like to hear more about your practise, especially? Does anyone else practise yoga or some other form of psychophysical exercise?
I have recently started an Ashtanga yoga course. I am really enjoying the way in which it has helped me to develop my breathing. Become more in tune and aware of the vital breath.
The way one can use the breath, to extends one's body into states that are at first challenging, but actually bring it to a much greater state of natural balance. I have found that this feeling of extending effortlessly into a stance, has taken form not only through the body, but also in my other life endeavours.
Nick
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kundalini and ashtanda have some similarities
we sometimes do ashtanda exercises
really though i have used many psychedelics in my spiirtual eploration but none of it has compared to some of the mindsets i reach doing the breathing that goes along with some of the postures and movements
such things as the light neck lock massive inhale and the tightening of the sphincter and sex organ muscles after doing some exercises
this produces in me the most bizarre enlightening experiencing imaginable, astral projections, and out of body experiences
one of my teachers said he will eat psychedelic mushrooms as long as he was going to do kundalini yoga durring the high
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i always wanted to try yogo...but..you know...
after herb has written so much about yoga ive bought a kundalini handbook. but still not started.
and casual, maybe to bring me on the way my vt-teacher told us to do some yoga-asanas.
i think i really should start to do yoga...but....aahhh lazy one...
i allready loosly tryed one or two of the breathing exercises.....and hey..it feels good.
thomas always needs somebody to kick his ass....yet.
zzz
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hey herba.
cool - when reading your tale, i got a distinct telepathic impression of the kinda energy these experiences were filled with. awesome!
i too have used many psychedelics in my journey. though have almost dropped these now. i find my dreaming, and meditation a much more grounded and beneficial way to enter into these states. though i do usually have an annual mushroom journey, because i like the way i tend to learn a whoel bundle of things i might not otherwise consciously seek out.
hey zitter. yes yoga is good good good.. i'mm just discovering it, and am really enjoying the way it assists me into bringing the waking dream back more consciously into the body..
very much resonate with herb. re: the breathing, and the channels it opens up in oneself. I find classes are perhaps the best way to do it, because it really convinces you to turn it into a regular practise, plus the energy that's generated in a class situation is very conduicive to practise.
Nick
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well, I am starting beginners yoga classes on tuesday. (Have only pregnancy yoga knowledge so figured starting from the bottom might be good.)
So, I am off course interested in anything you'd like to share.
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That's great, Helena!
I've done yoga on and off in the past. I'm hoping to begin regular practice again, soon.
Singer
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A great book and one that influenced me when I was a teenager:
Autobiography of a Yogi by Yoganda. Here true yoga masters were written about.
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yea i luv that book
castaneda, recapping on the writing styles, would seem to have gotten quite an energetic boon from that book in terms of his own sorceric books
i have another paramahansa book from the library now
mans eternal quest or some such
its full of alot of his transcribed speaches
for kundalini yoga i recomend anything through 3ho.org to get the authentic stuff from the man and his students who like bruce lee opened up this once shrouded ancient teaching to every person virtually starting with the west
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interesting site - www.3ho.org - thanks herba..
good luck with the new yoga classes helena.
seems there will be quite a few of us here practising.. let's keep each other informed of our experiences..
nick
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we do some crazy breathework too
basically invovles holding the mouth open wide and realaxed and breathing heavily and deeply through it
peoples hands cramp up
some cry
some make sexual sounds
some people start shouting and swearing at eveyrthing thats pissing them off
some people sing and harmonize on their exhales
its really amazing
we work in partners for it too sometimes
someone helps harmonize your physical energies, and encourages the deep breathe movement and makes sure the mouth stays open as well as alligns the spine and relaxs the tension points or physically pumps the navel with their hands durring the breathe
really wild stuff
i usually go into it full of apprehension and come out glowing like a light bulb
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need to go practice now!
HMMM-AAAAUUUUUUU
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Had I heard that Herba I wouldn't hav gone to my class ;-)
Killing pains (that still felt kind of good in a selftorturing way)in chest (from expansion) afterwards and my cold got three times as bad. Fortunately my angel holds the coughing when I ask him and its better today.
I have an interesting teacher it appears and as it so happened got a private session this first time which might explain the intensity. We both have a lot to learn.
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Hi,
I started Yoga class yesterday and I must say that it relaxed me pretty much.
Since I do climbing, and climbing is very demanding for muscles, I find yoga as a great thing to relax muscles, and as a great thing to improove my meditation posture 
Castor
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while walking through the city i stood at the postoffice an suddenly i saw that on the other side of the street is a yoga-center.....yes in in november oder december theres a kundalini workshop...ill see if i can join it...
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I had my guide nag me alot about kundalini but my present teacher opposes it for personal reasons of caution.
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kundalini yoga is not actually dangerous
but what is inside your teacher or maybe what they see inside you is and they probably know it will come out through kundalini yoga and maybe they are witholding something they fear too
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Ha,ha, I was at yoga class the other day wondering why I couldn't bend at the hips when I figured out its because my teacher is about 10 cm shorter than me and I felt so odd because my hips were 10 cm above where I thougt they were
:-o
this linking to other people sure is interesting but also quite weird. Maybe hmmm, ah well.
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The book Autobiography of a Yogi by Yoganda really impressed me, in my view it is magical.
I read it about 2 years ago and then went out and got 4 other books, but in packing up I could not take them with me because of the weight, so had to sell them along with over 400 others. That hurt.
Well there is a good Library here within walking distance.
For many years I practiced yoga hosanas and felt really subtle and balanced. But again, since migrating to the US all of these activities have stopped and it is causing distress and imbalance.
So I guess it is time to stop groaning and do something about it eh!
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well.. my six week introductory course to ashtanga yoga came to a close today. it has been a great journey. the practise lasts for 1 and a half hours (two times a week), and there is always a nice opportunity to chat and drink chai tea with the others afterwards.
there is definitely a nice feel to the place.
i am going through the level 1 course again. it starts immediately - next week! part of me wants to rest and just sleep in (The course starts at 6am), but on the other hand I recognise what a positive ffect it has having on me...
i am just beginnign to memorise some of the early steps.. i am a slow learner - but enjoying it anyway.
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btw. i meant to say herba. that the exercises you do in your group sounded pretty intense!
i would certainly go into them feeling a little nervous, but I bet I would come feeling a lot more whole and empowered from the experience.
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the breathework is rediculously intense
the emotional release i experience durring it is normally something i only experience alone and not with ten other people going through the same thing all vocalizing it simultaneously, and also it was a first for me to work on someone and help aid them in releasing the energy by physically and vocally manipulating their body and in turn having them do so for me
since we are doing a teacher training course the yogi has designed it to be a full life course from food to emotions to yoga as most training courses wouldnt include this sort of breathework
I want to reiterate again the false image some people will put on kundalini
it is not dangerous
it is less dangerous than other yogas in my opinion as they can sometimes involve heavier stretching and physical strain without any of the intense breatheworks that nearly instantly riase k-energy
see the difference in the yoga, as yogi bhajan explained once, is a matter of time
hatha yoga takes 22 years
I would say k-yoga takes 40 days although for me it only took 5 years ago(I stopped practicing for years and the energy abated somewhat as I relied on power plants instead)
k can be felt to be rising in seconds
see when yogi bhajan started teaching americans kundlaini yoga the indian yogis freaked out
traditionally americans were regarded as untouchables, the lowest caste, as they tend to be christian and india was colonized and its lower caste, the untouchables, converted to christianity
so here is yogi bhajan giving the most ancient and powerful of all spiritual technologies to the most despised and low group of people on the planet
so naturally alot of resentment grew
and the idea that kundalini yoga was the most dangeorus thing on the planet began circulating, bred by the indian yogijis, in order to discourage westerners from empowering themselves
the truth is that westerners have tons of energy and when empowered with ancient technology they can easily overpower anything that trys to stop them
literally
without trying
LoL
Don't take me seriously though
Try some of the free exercises from 3ho.org instead !
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My teacher is strongly against the practise of kundalini and breathing exercises and only work according to the natural flow and natural breath saying there is no need to disturb and unnaturally increase the energy flow. this beacuse she has trained in various indian places for a long time and eight years with a shaman. From this journey she came with some injuries and has just started teaching and so choose to do it carefully and wisely.
I am not sure about the breathing as different breathing sure is helpful to me although she does say follow the natural pattern so if I was any good I would probably know that but it might be easier if she were to imply something.
Last time I was doing a hmm shoulderstand with some hmhm aid. I felt a strong energy rush and for a while two yellow slits in front of my eyes when I lay meditating afterwards.
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kundalini yogis are generally influenced by power plants, psychedelic chemicals, and castaneda type things
Does your teacher have any experience with those realities? If not maybe the teacher has never visited a seperate reality.
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From a sit down perspective I would say she learned an awful lot and is now sitting back, remembering, putting things together and statring to tech her way.
She's had a rough going in real life and her yoga has, she says held her above surface. Although I think the thing got her /she found it and the third eye and seeing herself from an arms length is transforming it to something really good..Hmmm...well sort of deep analysis..not sure she would agree :-)) think she feels perhaps that most "teachers" do suck...are irresponsible and while thinking the student is completely responsible for her/himself the teacher is somehow not responsible for his/her effect on that student eventhough they off course carry the intent through. Ha,ha,ha...or perhaps those are just my thoughts... ;-)
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as i can see still everything is coming my way....nearly next to my door an yoga-center opend its doors and on december the 9th theres a 3 hour kundalini workshop..and i can make it for 15 bugs...hehehe...lets see
till then i can make a hathra(right)yoga hoer for free...
shalalalalalalaa..
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