What are you?

[Mornings Son]

Keiji, a long-time Zen student, approached his master and said: 
“I don’t see how there can be any enlightenment that sets you free once and for all. I think we just get ever greater glimpses of Buddha-nature, the vastness that is our true Reality. It’s an ever-expanding process.” 
The master, looking penetratingly at Keiji, replied. 
“That may be what you think. But what is your experience, your experience right now?” 
Keiji looked momentarily confused. 
“My experience right now, Master?” 
“Yes. Do you know yourself as Keiji, having ever-expanding experiences of Buddha-nature? 
Or do you know yourself as Buddha-nature, having the experience of Keiji?”

[Billy]

What a nice monster of insight Mornings Son.


Dare I expand "Exploring" and connect this to Upanishads?     LAUGH 

Ever expanding knowledge is a moot point if not for awakeness.  MS illuminates for me about wisdom getting away.  billy as Keiji, loses his mindfulness to thoughts of 'reality ideas.' 

WHERE is my objectivity?  I have no detachment,  and I am unable to practice mindfulness of my moment. 

The 'Buddha billy nature' gets this, and so practices being present.

I don't want to take a camera picture of awe; I want to cry and laugh and BE awed (only in second instance can I drink in my grace.)

[Julio Juliopolis]

Nice quote Mornings Son. I feel that I'm part of the Buddha-nature, trapped in the experience of the man you know as Julio.  I wonder where others feel they are on this scale?

[Mornings Son]

Juliorecap little by little cuts attachment away to the man known as (Julio/billy/MS) 
burning from within can first happen when we are ready deeply to let go of the idea of being this special separate beings know as...
It is like the symbolic death of the shaman initiate. 
We must die to be able to be reborn in a new position of experiencing life

[Mornings Son]

breaking down logic here are we?
only billy can practice! 
Buddha Nature is a blind, deaf and mute ass

'I' that is self conscious aware, what is that?

[Guest]

from Iron FluteLin-chi's Titleless Man
Lin-chi
once said to his monks, “A titleless man lives upon flesh and blood,
going out or coming in through the gateways of your face. Those who have
not witnessed this fact, discover it this minute!” A monk stood up and
asked. “Who is a titleless man?” Lin-chi suddenly came down from his
chair, seized the monk by the collar of his robe, and exclaimed, “Speak!
Speak!” The monk was dumbfounded for a moment, so Lin-chi slapped him.
“This titleless man is good for nothing.”

[Billy]

transitions wrote: “Speak!
Speak!”
 
AND--in answer to no one knows.    So what of this non-sensical 'being one' while we are at it?   Being one what ?

Separation suits me just fine

[Guest]

to discriminate/separate my life was hell, i will not go back there.. i saw that everyone is one in the nagual, now i see connections everywhere and it is beautiful

[Billy]

Since we are doing 'resource' pointers:

Buddha related life to desire in the Four Noble Truths: 1) Life is suffering 2) Life is
suffering because of desire 3) You needn't cling to desire 4) The Eightfold Path ends
clinging to desire.

In short, I know clinging to desire is suffering,
so I stop doing it.

Desire and my aloneness > that is beautiful.

[Guest]

yes, i see that, being alone - all one ;P
i do enjoy my time on my own too, this fortifies my inner strength, it allows me to dream, read, meditate, recap, play music, etc, all beautiful things, and yet i now always see connections even when i am alone, im not separated from anything, reality is always watching

[Guest]

i used to cling to things now i find things try to cling to me..
from Iron Flute
28. Lung-ya’s Ultimate Stage

A monk
asked Lung-ya, “What did old masters attain when they entered the
ultimate stage?” “They were like burglars sneaking into a vacant house,”
came the reply.

GENRŌ:
He walked the blade of a sword;
He stepped on the ice of a frozen river;
He entered the vacant house;
His desire to steal ceased forever.
He returned to his own home,
Saw the beautiful rays of the morning sun,
And watched the moon and stars intimately.
He walked the streets with ease,
Enjoying the gentle breeze.
At last he opened his treasure house.
Until that moment he never dreamed
He had owned those treasures from the very beginning.

[serloco]

I think the problem is need, and not desire. Desire can be a motivation. To feel pathetic about not having something is... pathetic, one needs not suffer to desire. That teaching is bogus. To suffer merely because you desire is because of weakness and pity, and that is the problem. I attain my desires and my every heart's content, and having desire does not make me suffer..

[Billy]

Mornings Son wrote:breaking down logic here are we?

only billy can practice! 
Buddha Nature is a blind, deaf and mute ass

'I' that is self conscious aware, what is that?


 
Before pilot Sullenberger landed the jet in the Hudson River the passengers were certain they would die.  I heard interviews of how their life view would seemingly change forever.

  However years later (as with other heightened experiences), persons found dealing with the trials and mundanities of life much as before, and without inspiration or sense of freedom.

  I liked the Buddha precepts concerning desire, and appreciate that he equated life with desire.  Desire is essence of Life--Desire is necessary.  Clinging or/and wallowing therewith one's life and desire is the issue he addressed.

   I want to get even more basic than precept > the life situation as it is.  billy has cut through the ideology; he really has done that. 

Mornings Son: 'I' that is self conscious aware, what is that? 
THAT is billy.  I want to highlight the of living entities' real phenomenology of duality.  All the talk won't change that existential axiom.

So you go ahead without your ego; and I'll keep mine--fool that I am > I don't call it controlled folly for no reason.

  I worked to SEE that life's conditions do not define me.  I put this here to engage any and all comers > this forum is the apropos medium.  You want wholeness??  REALIZE nothing will EVER EVER change to make you integrated if you are not willing to accept yourself as whole > right here and now.
   You'll read a million enlightening words, but miss the crux of dealing with the pain.  Bring mindfulness in unscripted turmoil, not with legs crossed in palatial meditation.  Recap to get to 'you' as a failure, and look at that pathetic 'you' (LOOK, relive & embrace).  THEN practice the detached objectivity to 'recapture' knowledge of integrity without CONDITION.

    I use the word 'failure' because that (and such) is a judgement that binds you.

[Billy]

serloco wrote:I think the problem is need, and not desire. Desire can be a motivation. To feel pathetic about not having something is... pathetic, one needs not suffer to desire. That teaching is bogus....
 
I'm not touting Buddha here, but you misunderstood.  DESIRE IS GOOD and should be pervasive.  That it permeates my being, does not preclude reasonable objective detachment.  That little trick called detachment is the WHOLE FUCKING DEAL!!!!!~!!~!!!~

[Billy]

Don't leave home without it lol. 

To make detachment a dynamic practice, I have done a lot of work with it in hell.

[serloco]

I just dont like the teaching that to desire is the reason for all suffering. That's all.

[Guest]