Money

[Le_Regard]

Ok, I figured it out.  It took a while, and I had to work through illusion after illusion and entrenched belief after entrenched belief...

... but we need to be doing this for money, people.

All the moral lessons about not doing this for ego, that's 100 year old garbage.  I wouldn't take my car to a mechanic that I thought was just delusional and only believed he was a mechanic, but if my cars needs fixed I go to  A MECHANIC, people.  That is where you take a broken car.  But you know what?  Mechanic services are not free.  But does anyone complain?  Does anyone moralize about the mechanic and his big ego and how good he is at fixing cars for a reasonable and competitive price?  No.  That has never happened.

And let me tell you something else, I've shopped around for mystics and magicians and energy healers.  I've seen their websites, I've taken some classes.  I have at one time or another purchased candles, readings, and hoodoo oils.  ONE TIME, via paypal, I hired some guy in Haiti to kill a goat for me, and it was worth it, and actually very reasonably priced considering their exceptionally high level of customer service.

But I also have to tell you, there are also a lot of professional mechanics out there that only think they're mechanics, and sometimes they're not even all that reasonably priced, and sometimes their customer service is terrible.  And if each one of us with any marketable talents goes into business now, I feel confident that we can outcompete those people right out of the market.  Indeed, it is the only morally right thing to do.

[Pixie Dust]

Le_Regard wrote:
... but we need to be doing this for money, people.

But I also have to tell you, there are also a lot of professional mechanics out there that only think they're mechanics, and sometimes they're not even all that reasonably priced, and sometimes their customer service is terrible.  And if each one of us with any marketable talents goes into business now, I feel confident that we can outcompete those people right out of the market. 

What about the peeps who are so good at their marketable talents that they became priceless?  One doesn't just put a price tag on world domination.  I think people undertake that effort purely on principle. 

For the rest of world, definitely one should charge.  If Sorcery can make money with a Twitter fanbase and do a little monthly or quarterly newsletter, that sounds like a lot of fun.  I will def read it.  Count on it.  I may even donate $10 for the hardworking souls pouring their talent into its creation.

Exciting!  Keep us updated

[watergaze]

if this talk is about the misconception that money for shamanic/sorceric teaching and/or healing is bad... then I am with ya Le_R. In the past, there was an exchange taking place between teachers/healers and their 'customers'. Today the exchange is usually money instead of other good and services. 

It is important that there be an equilibrium between the given and the taken. If there is not then it is not helping the 'customer' (they would be set up for a different kind of problem down the line). Is it part of the teacher's 'duties' to keep an eye on the equilibrium? Would stuff otherwise not work that well? 
It does not have to be a money thing... but depending on where one lives it might be the most convenient/practical/simple option.

And then there is the thing of well-being. In today's world, having money is usually a part of people's well-being. There is nothing wrong with being well.
But can't make money into your master ofc . Can't have it linked to fear and other such... etc.

[Le_Regard]

watergaze wrote:
if this talk is about the misconception that money for shamanic/sorceric teaching and/or healing is bad... then I am with ya Le_R. In the past, there was an exchange taking place between teachers/healers and their 'customers'. Today the exchange is usually money instead of other good and services. 

It is important that there be an equilibrium between the given and the taken. If there is not then it is not helping the 'customer' (they would be set up for a different kind of problem down the line). Is it part of the teacher's 'duties' to keep an eye on the equilibrium? Would stuff otherwise not work that well? 
It does not have to be a money thing... but depending on where one lives it might be the most convenient/practical/simple option.

And then there is the thing of well-being. In today's world, having money is usually a part of people's well-being. There is nothing wrong with being well.
But can't make money into your master ofc . Can't have it linked to fear and other such... etc.

You may have noticed this in another forum, but FYI I am currently leading a project to trade unionize freelance sorcerers.  The language is shifting but we've landed on witches more often than sorcerers, just to be honest with you, but it seems to be working out so far.  The official name is "Wonder Workers International" because Wonder Workers is a direct translation for the Greek "thaumaturgos", as in "thaumaturgy", and you can't really go wrong with invoking ancient Greece in a project with such strong political overtones.

I'm also pleased to announce that we recently added our first member outside the United States and we are *actually* international now, which is VERY exciting.

Unique sorcery related areas of research like, as you say, "an exchange taking place between teachers/healers and their 'customers'" and how to bring that into the modern world is basically exactly the kind of work we sponsor.  But in general, our mission is to promote and advocate for the normalization of the sorcerous ("wonder working") professions.  In the real world.  For money.  On Earth.  In the dimension where computers definitely do exist but the AI apocalypse still hasn't happened yet.   I could go on...

Are you by any chance a professional witch, psychic, energy healer, shaman, freelance sorcerer, or perhaps even member of clergy with at least one for-profit side project?  Whether it currently makes money or not, or even if it's still only a dream, we would love to hear more about how we can help make your dreams a reality.

The facebook went up a few days ago, and we are very much alive and on the internet now.

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