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billy wrote:
I suppose I should dump you. Your master will wonder why I determined you were flawed. [plant doubt in his head].
syzygy, Kaomea I assure you this is just the beginning. I am at ease.
You should probably move this to a Stalking forum.
Although if this can be saved and turned into a conversation about the sorcerous value of lifestyle BDSM relationships that look weird to other people, I guess that's fine.
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Le_Regard wrote:
billy wrote:
I suppose I should dump you. Your master will wonder why I determined you were flawed. [plant doubt in his head].
syzygy, Kaomea I assure you this is just the beginning. I am at ease.
You should probably move this to a Stalking forum.
Although if this can be saved and turned into a conversation about the sorcerous value of lifestyle BDSM relationships that look weird to other people, I guess that's fine.
FYI I'm really excited about this because I've waited years for the right opportunity to use a clever stalking pun like that.
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Yeah, so has anyone heard about this thing called "finsub"ing? It's short for "financial submissive". There are apparently men on the internet that send women on the internet large sums of money just to feel humiliated by what a stupid waste of money that is.
Sometimes the women send back pictures of themselves with the money, like "You are so stupid. I have all your money. I can't even believe how stupid you are."
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That's not too bad, the realm of finsubing.
There are larger idiots who send money to self-declared sorcerers/naguals/spiritual and religious leaders who promise them entry to Heaven (or magic prowess, passage past the eagle, etc) for engagement in quid pro quo exchanges. Imagine that. Doing things without even seeing a reward while alive.
I admire the finsubs; they get their jollies while alive.
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Pixie Dust wrote:
That's not too bad, the realm of finsubing.
There are larger idiots who send money to self-declared sorcerers/naguals/spiritual and religious leaders who promise them entry to Heaven (or magic prowess, passage past the eagle, etc) for engagement in quid pro quo exchanges. Imagine that. Doing things without even seeing a reward while alive.
I admire the finsubs; they get their jollies while alive.
Lol but that's the idea... they get NOTHING out of it. They could probably spend exactly the same amount of money, OR LESS, in other ways if they wanted SOMETHING out of it.
Even giving it to the Red Cross or Oxfam or something would be getting SOMETHING out of it. Even THIS makes a kind of sense: https://www.oxfamgifts.com/gifts/donate-goat/
Probably just literally throwing your money into a fire might be more purposeful.
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Le_Regard wrote:
Pixie Dust wrote:
That's not too bad, the realm of finsubing.
There are larger idiots who send money to self-declared sorcerers/naguals/spiritual and religious leaders who promise them entry to Heaven (or magic prowess, passage past the eagle, etc) for engagement in quid pro quo exchanges. Imagine that. Doing things without even seeing a reward while alive.
I admire the finsubs; they get their jollies while alive.
Lol but that's the idea... they get NOTHING out of it. They could probably spend exactly the same amount of money, OR LESS, in other ways if they wanted SOMETHING out of it.
Even giving it to the Red Cross or Oxfam or something would be getting SOMETHING out of it. Even THIS makes a kind of sense: https://www.oxfamgifts.com/gifts/donate-goat/
Probably just literally throwing your money into a fire might be more purposeful.
I mean they might be getting something out of it, quietly, but I imagine that would be considered amateurish from a professional findom perspective.
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This is old stuff. We are talking self-abasement here. St Theresa was the paragon of this genre. The 'rule' was to acknowledge just how truly worthless one is, such that their existing was incongruous to all beings & 'God.' These persons who did it 'right' assimilated one LSD trip after another. They melted, they were enraptured, they GOT OFF. Not only that, but likely carried the silent 'high' at all times. The more disrespected and abased the better the highs.
I am an expert on this sort of negation. It is very sexy.
I have moved to another stage, so I don't practice this now, but I can attain to the undercurrent of soft caressing abasement at will to seduce myself with chemicals such as serotonin and dopamine.
Now that I think of it, this is an art form imperative for 'flipping' negative emotions into positive. You give me a 'tragic' negative and it becomes a thing of beauty.
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serloco, that song's sentiment by flavor covers my view of things.
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Le,
You may find it more purposeful to use the money for better reasons. We each have our version of what "better" is.
I would rather hear of finsubs than of seeing money being donated for religious purposes. Finsubs only pay to abuse themselves. Religious people pay for others to be abused. Finsubs are the lesser evil.
Donating to political parties, no matter the wing, are still paying for pedophiles to thrive. I mean, really, what are we paying for when we pay for things? Slave labor, weapons of mass destruction, prisons, government.
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Le_Regard wrote:
I mean they might be getting something out of it, quietly, but I imagine that would be considered amateurish from a professional findom perspective.
Eh, amateurs have their role to play and their own benefits they contribute. They're the sheeple. All immature circles require sheeple to be conquered. All circles must start somewhere. All people must start somewhere. That's the beginning of the journey--most start at the beginning.
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Speaking of amateurs, I thought you might enjoy this one:
People believe they're the next big thing, that what they thought hasn't already been thunk, and that they are the game changer person to walk in and do things in a profound manner.
There is always someone one-step ahead. Sometimes even two-steps.
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Pixie Dust wrote:
Le,
You may find it more purposeful to use the money for better reasons. We each have our version of what "better" is.
I would rather hear of finsubs than of seeing money being donated for religious purposes. Finsubs only pay to abuse themselves. Religious people pay for others to be abused. Finsubs are the lesser evil.
Donating to political parties, no matter the wing, are still paying for pedophiles to thrive. I mean, really, what are we paying for when we pay for things? Slave labor, weapons of mass destruction, prisons, government.
I don't think we disagree on very much of that, but I simply think paying money for nothing in return, no expectation of return payment whatsoever (even though they both KNOW he expects it because men always expect something and that's what money even IS really... am I right?) is essential to the finsub phenomenon and the enjoyment of it.
They might send a sexy pictures of themselves with all his money, right? That's part of it, but also not really... it wouldn't be at all the same if the money was just buying a ridiculously expensive picture.
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Pixie Dust wrote:
Le,
You may find it more purposeful to use the money for better reasons. We each have our version of what "better" is.
I would rather hear of finsubs than of seeing money being donated for religious purposes. Finsubs only pay to abuse themselves. Religious people pay for others to be abused. Finsubs are the lesser evil.
Donating to political parties, no matter the wing, are still paying for pedophiles to thrive. I mean, really, what are we paying for when we pay for things? Slave labor, weapons of mass destruction, prisons, government.
So here's the difference, if it was JUST paying money to be abused, that would just be normal subbing. $250 is just what it would cost.
I mean if $250 is a high enough price point for you to put up with an obsessed weirdo's attentions, I'd say that's a really fair conclusion.
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Le_Regard wrote:
Pixie Dust wrote:
Le,
You may find it more purposeful to use the money for better reasons. We each have our version of what "better" is.
I would rather hear of finsubs than of seeing money being donated for religious purposes. Finsubs only pay to abuse themselves. Religious people pay for others to be abused. Finsubs are the lesser evil.
Donating to political parties, no matter the wing, are still paying for pedophiles to thrive. I mean, really, what are we paying for when we pay for things? Slave labor, weapons of mass destruction, prisons, government.
I don't think we disagree on very much of that, but I simply think paying money for nothing in return, no expectation of return payment whatsoever (even though they both KNOW he expects it because men always expect something and that's what money even IS really... am I right?) is essential to the finsub phenomenon and the enjoyment of it.
They might send a sexy pictures of themselves with all his money, right? That's part of it, but also not really... it wouldn't be at all the same if the money was just buying a ridiculously expensive picture.
You're right.
People are paying for an experience, to be made to feel a certain way. Most people want the good feelings, but it seems normal that some would prefer bad feelings. People from traumatic backgrounds would enjoy the familiar nature of something they experienced at a young age as that's what is "normal" for them. It may not make sense, it may be unhealthy, but it causes a pleasurable release of dopamine. The end result is what's sought, whatever gets them that is the preferred experience.
Sure, it's stupid. But so is paying a tithe, prayers, and positive thinking. There's more to finsubs than them just paying for nothing. For socially inept people, they are paying for a familiar social experience. It's healthier to be a finsub than adopting a drug addiction. Yes, it's pointless to people who aren't finsubs, but it has its place and it's not going anywhere.
They're another fine example of the impact of a broken system.
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Le_Regard wrote:
Pixie Dust wrote:
Le,
You may find it more purposeful to use the money for better reasons. We each have our version of what "better" is.
I would rather hear of finsubs than of seeing money being donated for religious purposes. Finsubs only pay to abuse themselves. Religious people pay for others to be abused. Finsubs are the lesser evil.
Donating to political parties, no matter the wing, are still paying for pedophiles to thrive. I mean, really, what are we paying for when we pay for things? Slave labor, weapons of mass destruction, prisons, government.
So here's the difference, if it was JUST paying money to be abused, that would just be normal subbing. $250 is just what it would cost.
I mean if $250 is a high enough price point for you to put up with an obsessed weirdo's attentions, I'd say that's a really fair conclusion.
I'll be honest. I've put up with an obsessed weirdo's attention for free. This one guy thought it would be super cool to stalk me on multiple accounts and try to form individual, isolated friendships with me. It's like he didn't know that I was as weird as he was and doing the same to him xD I mean, it actually sounds like a match made in heaven, two psychopaths stalking one another and everything.
$250 is a 250% increase in my past rate.
#winning
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Pixie Dust wrote:
Le_Regard wrote:
Pixie Dust wrote:
Le,
You may find it more purposeful to use the money for better reasons. We each have our version of what "better" is.
I would rather hear of finsubs than of seeing money being donated for religious purposes. Finsubs only pay to abuse themselves. Religious people pay for others to be abused. Finsubs are the lesser evil.
Donating to political parties, no matter the wing, are still paying for pedophiles to thrive. I mean, really, what are we paying for when we pay for things? Slave labor, weapons of mass destruction, prisons, government.
I don't think we disagree on very much of that, but I simply think paying money for nothing in return, no expectation of return payment whatsoever (even though they both KNOW he expects it because men always expect something and that's what money even IS really... am I right?) is essential to the finsub phenomenon and the enjoyment of it.
They might send a sexy pictures of themselves with all his money, right? That's part of it, but also not really... it wouldn't be at all the same if the money was just buying a ridiculously expensive picture.
You're right.
People are paying for an experience, to be made to feel a certain way. Most people want the good feelings, but it seems normal that some would prefer bad feelings. People from traumatic backgrounds would enjoy the familiar nature of something they experienced at a young age as that's what is "normal" for them. It may not make sense, it may be unhealthy, but it causes a pleasurable release of dopamine. The end result is what's sought, whatever gets them that is the preferred experience.
Sure, it's stupid. But so is paying a tithe, prayers, and positive thinking. There's more to finsubs than them just paying for nothing. For socially inept people, they are paying for a familiar social experience. It's healthier to be a finsub than adopting a drug addiction. Yes, it's pointless to people who aren't finsubs, but it has its place and it's not going anywhere.
They're another fine example of the impact of a broken system.
I think it's interesting that in every other case we're talking about dreaming other worlds and perception is reality, but your explanation for a sexual fetish is bio-mechanical and all about the dopamine.
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Eh, you were being less ridiculous so I attempted a lucid discussion with you.
It happens.
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Pixie Dust wrote: ↑<span class="timespan" title="12:18 AM - Nov 10, 2017">Nov 10, 2017</span>
Eh, you were being less ridiculous so I attempted a lucid discussion with you.
It happens.
I am actually fairly certain that erotic love is intersubjective and not a mechanical process based in the brain so that you can just do drugs to save time.
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Considering that your knowledgebase is limited to being a creepy stalker and not from a scientific field of study, I'll just giggle at your certainty.
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Pixie Dust wrote: ↑<span class="timespan" title="1:17 AM - Nov 10, 2017">Nov 10, 2017</span>
Considering that your knowledgebase is limited to being a creepy stalker and not from a scientific field of study, I'll just giggle at your certainty.
No, I've done the experiments. The experience can't be reproduced within a single consciousness -- no matter how high you get or how lifelike the animation is.
I'm pretty sure that even if I had the research funding to try it out even on the really top of the line sex robots I'd reach similar conclusions.
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What is this? I've made this point before. You see we are all taught what to love and what to find sexy. We make this energy body up as we go. It all adds up to the responses, the chemicals, and the energy we are producing. If you say and BELIEVE and ultimately KNOW that you dont like robots, or that it wont work for you then your WILL is formed into that effect. Well now, it depends on how strong willed you are but in the end we all make our decisions and choices no matter how well informed, or not, they are.
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serloco wrote:
What is this? I've made this point before. You see we are all taught what to love and what to find sexy. We make this energy body up as we go. It all adds up to the responses, the chemicals, and the energy we are producing. If you say and BELIEVE and ultimately KNOW that you dont like robots, or that it wont work for you then your WILL is formed into that effect. Well now, it depends on how strong willed you are but in the end we all make our decisions and choices no matter how well informed, or not, they are.
Are you saying you could fall in love with a robot through an act of will?
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Le_Regard wrote:
serloco wrote:
What is this? I've made this point before. You see we are all taught what to love and what to find sexy. We make this energy body up as we go. It all adds up to the responses, the chemicals, and the energy we are producing. If you say and BELIEVE and ultimately KNOW that you dont like robots, or that it wont work for you then your WILL is formed into that effect. Well now, it depends on how strong willed you are but in the end we all make our decisions and choices no matter how well informed, or not, they are.
Are you saying you could fall in love with a robot through an act of will?
Could you also STOP loving the robot through an act of will, or is it more like... the way it's easy to break an egg but impossible to put it back together?
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