05-14-2013, 12:00 AM
Hi White Knight, good and interesting suggestion . I will try to see how it would work and if we can see it through.. we shall see how that works, but I have a few questions as to some of your meaning. You would suggest the sections would go in this order of succession, yes? But not have that it in their subtitle, just for it to be a kind of 'invisible' as in not on the index mentioned order, yes?
Next I would be interested why you put Oracle in nagual and not seeing. I could see it working in both ofc (and also put it in Nagual in the version I made at the bottom of the post, cause it goes well with/after Tales of Power. And both are sections very closely connected to wolf. I might even make it a sub-forum of Tales of Power as at this moment as the Oracle is not used much in his absence, will see..).
In the way the sections are generally put together i see the order you suggest as sensible and like that there is a little magic in such an order. Still, maybe you are not aware, that some sections, like Path of Heart are made for the different style of writing it provides in comparison to the rest of the site and is not distinguished by the topic/theme of discussion as much (as say the Foreign Installation section is), but by style of posting. So, the things you suggest could be discussed there are all nice, but whether on not this is taken up by members to discuss remains to be seen and cannot really be influenced by the mods (though the suggested topics are interesting enough to hope they will pop up somewhere hehe). Either way it is a section that will hopefully see people who listen to their heart..
Another things that pops up is that if we put Ixtlan Cafe, Introduction first that is fine, but putting under introduction the Support Forum is not something that is usually done. And is not all that sensible to put on top a rarely used section by the members who come here, but rather put there a section that would draw their attention with discussion options.
Then there are the invisible sections of the site, which ofc you couldnt work with in your post above.. but i guess those could just be at the end cause the public doesnt see them anyway hehe. Or they can be incorporated into the order of the scheme.
One section that is here and is invisible is Ravenfield (hopefully invisible only temporarily, but either way not accessible to the public), that one is in the dreamin (or could also be in the Nagual) of the scheme you put forth.
Then there is a section that might or might not show up after everything is done, it is called Oblivion, where threads were put for one reason or another. I am thinking of showing these publicly in a read only place. Where would you then put that one?
Then there is a section for Moderations, here I copy threads temporarily before i change them, edit, merge, split etc. And also a place where mods, as there are a few of us now, can talk in private about things concerning moderation. This I would put under Talk
For me, as maybe because I am the admin/mod atm, the support section is a place of balancing reason and feeling (not just keeping order but also working with people's wishes/feelings), with a seeing required here and there like now that we move stuff around i need a sort of mix of the three. Since i decided to start changing the sections, the night before I started I am dreaming about it too . But yea ok i totally get that it is in the talking section, cause that is what we do here, we talk about the site.
The support section is here for helping people, so although it works with reason to a big extent it is made from feeling, cause mods dont really need to be explaining stuff to themselves or asking people to behave in some fashion, they have buttons to go all dictator, so it is the heart that governs us and then reason . So, the section is for helping people, in that sense made for helping others understand and feel better here. The explanation and informing that we do (so, the talking) is to a large extent addressed to the feelings and heart of everyone and yes then also to reason. But, since we cant put the Support all the way on top or middle top with Talking of Reason or Feeling, then let us say that all in all it is about what is here on this site, something tangible in the Tonal, managing our sections, interactions etc. So, it will have to be squeezed with a closed eye into the Tonal section
Oh, and no way should we start the index page with Foreign Installation, that just seems wrong . It should start with either Ixtlan Cafe of Introduction. Hm.. sigh.. im not sure then if the scheme would work, we will need to adjust your proposed order of the scheme sections.
What do you say? Im not sure you mean the reason has to come before talking. Imo it makes sense to me to have talking before reason too , reversing the order of first having the thing that is in front of reason (as in how reason often is seen/manifests), constituents before sections.
version 1:
Talking - 'Ixtlan Cafe', 'Introduction', 'New seers' (& hidden mod section)
Reason - The Foreign installation
Will - 'Carlos Castanedas: Teachings of do Juan', 'Modern Nagualism'
Feeling - 'Path of Heart'
Seeing - 'Mastering Awareness'
Dreaming - 'The Arts of Stalking and Dreaming' (& Ravenfield)
Tonal - 'The Tonal' 'Nagual Forums - Questions and Answers'
Nagual - 'The Tales of Power', 'Oracle'
-not sure where to put Oblivion. I guess it would be at the very end representing Infinity (and as such could be seen as part of Nagual) lol.
version 2: - have to say i like this best, though maybe Reason should go before Will (but as is it makes more sense to me to first mention CC and then the FI)
Talking - 'Ixtlan Cafe', 'Introduction', 'New seers' (& hidden mod section)
Feeling - 'Path of Heart'
Will - 'Carlos Castanedas: Teachings of do Juan', 'Modern Nagualism'
Reason - The Foreign installation
Seeing - 'Mastering Awareness'
Dreaming - 'The Arts of Stalking and Dreaming' (& Ravenfield)
Tonal - 'The Tonal' 'Nagual Forums - Questions and Answers'
Nagual - 'The Tales of Power', 'Oracle'
(Infinity - Oblivion)
--- I hope this does not mess up your vision of the order (as presented in Tales of Power) too much, it still tries to keep the sections, just the order of them needs to be put more to our purposes of a discussion site (like having Introduction at the start and such things).
P.S. I will have to dust off Tales of Power and have a look at this again, I read it just once years ago. I do tell myself it is high time to read the books again as it has been quite a journey for me since then and the books would probs provide a totally different layer for me now, but for now i seem to have other stuff i need to do.. like here on the site
Next I would be interested why you put Oracle in nagual and not seeing. I could see it working in both ofc (and also put it in Nagual in the version I made at the bottom of the post, cause it goes well with/after Tales of Power. And both are sections very closely connected to wolf. I might even make it a sub-forum of Tales of Power as at this moment as the Oracle is not used much in his absence, will see..).
In the way the sections are generally put together i see the order you suggest as sensible and like that there is a little magic in such an order. Still, maybe you are not aware, that some sections, like Path of Heart are made for the different style of writing it provides in comparison to the rest of the site and is not distinguished by the topic/theme of discussion as much (as say the Foreign Installation section is), but by style of posting. So, the things you suggest could be discussed there are all nice, but whether on not this is taken up by members to discuss remains to be seen and cannot really be influenced by the mods (though the suggested topics are interesting enough to hope they will pop up somewhere hehe). Either way it is a section that will hopefully see people who listen to their heart..
Another things that pops up is that if we put Ixtlan Cafe, Introduction first that is fine, but putting under introduction the Support Forum is not something that is usually done. And is not all that sensible to put on top a rarely used section by the members who come here, but rather put there a section that would draw their attention with discussion options.
Then there are the invisible sections of the site, which ofc you couldnt work with in your post above.. but i guess those could just be at the end cause the public doesnt see them anyway hehe. Or they can be incorporated into the order of the scheme.
One section that is here and is invisible is Ravenfield (hopefully invisible only temporarily, but either way not accessible to the public), that one is in the dreamin (or could also be in the Nagual) of the scheme you put forth.
Then there is a section that might or might not show up after everything is done, it is called Oblivion, where threads were put for one reason or another. I am thinking of showing these publicly in a read only place. Where would you then put that one?
Then there is a section for Moderations, here I copy threads temporarily before i change them, edit, merge, split etc. And also a place where mods, as there are a few of us now, can talk in private about things concerning moderation. This I would put under Talk
For me, as maybe because I am the admin/mod atm, the support section is a place of balancing reason and feeling (not just keeping order but also working with people's wishes/feelings), with a seeing required here and there like now that we move stuff around i need a sort of mix of the three. Since i decided to start changing the sections, the night before I started I am dreaming about it too . But yea ok i totally get that it is in the talking section, cause that is what we do here, we talk about the site.
The support section is here for helping people, so although it works with reason to a big extent it is made from feeling, cause mods dont really need to be explaining stuff to themselves or asking people to behave in some fashion, they have buttons to go all dictator, so it is the heart that governs us and then reason . So, the section is for helping people, in that sense made for helping others understand and feel better here. The explanation and informing that we do (so, the talking) is to a large extent addressed to the feelings and heart of everyone and yes then also to reason. But, since we cant put the Support all the way on top or middle top with Talking of Reason or Feeling, then let us say that all in all it is about what is here on this site, something tangible in the Tonal, managing our sections, interactions etc. So, it will have to be squeezed with a closed eye into the Tonal section
Oh, and no way should we start the index page with Foreign Installation, that just seems wrong . It should start with either Ixtlan Cafe of Introduction. Hm.. sigh.. im not sure then if the scheme would work, we will need to adjust your proposed order of the scheme sections.
What do you say? Im not sure you mean the reason has to come before talking. Imo it makes sense to me to have talking before reason too , reversing the order of first having the thing that is in front of reason (as in how reason often is seen/manifests), constituents before sections.
version 1:
Talking - 'Ixtlan Cafe', 'Introduction', 'New seers' (& hidden mod section)
Reason - The Foreign installation
Will - 'Carlos Castanedas: Teachings of do Juan', 'Modern Nagualism'
Feeling - 'Path of Heart'
Seeing - 'Mastering Awareness'
Dreaming - 'The Arts of Stalking and Dreaming' (& Ravenfield)
Tonal - 'The Tonal' 'Nagual Forums - Questions and Answers'
Nagual - 'The Tales of Power', 'Oracle'
-not sure where to put Oblivion. I guess it would be at the very end representing Infinity (and as such could be seen as part of Nagual) lol.
version 2: - have to say i like this best, though maybe Reason should go before Will (but as is it makes more sense to me to first mention CC and then the FI)
Talking - 'Ixtlan Cafe', 'Introduction', 'New seers' (& hidden mod section)
Feeling - 'Path of Heart'
Will - 'Carlos Castanedas: Teachings of do Juan', 'Modern Nagualism'
Reason - The Foreign installation
Seeing - 'Mastering Awareness'
Dreaming - 'The Arts of Stalking and Dreaming' (& Ravenfield)
Tonal - 'The Tonal' 'Nagual Forums - Questions and Answers'
Nagual - 'The Tales of Power', 'Oracle'
(Infinity - Oblivion)
--- I hope this does not mess up your vision of the order (as presented in Tales of Power) too much, it still tries to keep the sections, just the order of them needs to be put more to our purposes of a discussion site (like having Introduction at the start and such things).
P.S. I will have to dust off Tales of Power and have a look at this again, I read it just once years ago. I do tell myself it is high time to read the books again as it has been quite a journey for me since then and the books would probs provide a totally different layer for me now, but for now i seem to have other stuff i need to do.. like here on the site