01-08-2019, 03:28 PM
There was one thing I wanted to add to my previous post, but didn't get round to it until now (busy with creating the new site stuff). So I re-read the post again but being at a different part of life than I was some week ago... well, I went to check when I made my reply above but wow it was on the 31st lol just 2 days ago, it feels to me like over a week (this to me shows the shift I made since then). Anyway, I read it all again, here is what came out of that :-)
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Silvio wrote:I don't understand how you're all still on the sorcerer's path. And sorry, but I can't bring myself to believe that any of you are actual seers or warriors. (...) Defining sorcery as shifting the AP, I'm sure there are many here who have flirted with it and can be called sorcerers, but warriors...?
There is a reason why I think sorcery is a good name for a site such as ours. It is true that many seekers who come by here are not warriors. Becoming a warrior is already quite an accomplishment in my book. It requires discipline, strong will, and impeccable intent... and not running away from challenges (actually sometimes running towards them hehe).
But to get to what 'sorcery' actually is... yes, it is about shifting the AP. To arrive at the place of stopping the world (to the functional blocking of the first ring of power) and beyond.
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Silvio wrote:I don't think one can actually practice sorcery without a teacher.
You just said above how people who come by are more likely sorcerers than warriors. Sorcery, the way you define it (which I like), can be done without teachers (shifting the AP can be done without teachers). I think it is possible to practice shifting the AP without teachers. The question is what likelihood one has to go all the way to stopping the world without any help. But I think it is possible...
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Silvio wrote:How can you possibly endure the warrior's life without a teacher?
I think the question here is more like this: How can one possibly endure the warrior's life?
And here we come to the thing I wanted to add into my previous reply... I wanted to tell you about the importance of loving this way of life. If one doesn't enjoy growth and learning and being with spirit in the magic of it all... then I don't think the person stands a chance. This is the thing we need to develop first and foremost... love for learning, growth, wonder, and the feeling of gratitude to be able to experience all of that. Because in some way the life of a warrior and the life of a 'common man' (lets call it) are the same. We all try to do the things we love and enjoy. Someone enjoys fishing, someone enjoys spending time with their family, someone loves to travel. They work to get the money and means to do those things and arrange the time in such a way that they can do them once in a while and/or as much as they are able to.
Most of us don't enjoy uncertainty, fear, pressure, weakness, indecision, most people don't want to work hard... if there is nothing that you enjoy or love in it then most people wont do that. In some sense the warrior's path is asking people to go willingly into hell and walk through it without going crazy or complaining much, without being given almost any/a minimum of sign posts or maps of the place and even doing it with a smile at some point.
This is why they say no person would choose such a path.
Which is why they say it is not a choice. But what is a choice? I think it is a choice on some level. Imagine someone being so very ill they cannot live life like a 'common man.' One might say they had no choice, they had to shift in order to be able to live. But one might also say that is not true because others in similar situations don't make such a choice and stay in their prisons. One might say the person was chosen by spirit - you surely know the self-healed madman/shaman theme. If it is so extreme that the person is basically barred from life unless they do something about it. Then one could say that the situation gave them no choice. But truly there are so many terribly ill people on the globe and they are not all on the path of knowledge. So why were those others not forced into it? Because it still is a choice. No one takes the choice away (to a certain point at least, because there is a point of no return but one can get there thanks to one's choice, but ofc not only that). It is just that the strength of their will and intent has to be insurmountably bigger if they have to get out of their situation and problems (or it seems so at least). What would make this so? What would make them want to do all that hard work? Love for life, the wish to enjoy and experience it, to feel healthy and part of everything that is alive. But, another factor that is to their erm advantage in making the choice is that the fire under their butts is very hard to ignore :-D.
This is one way... but it is not the only way. I just wanted to point out there is more happening in that 'it is not a choice'. It is not a choice for a person who wants to grow and who has certain preferences for and demands of life. But it is a choice in the sense that many don't choose it.
And what is life, what is being alive? it is growth. Everything that is alive grows and changes, evolves. You gotta love that even if it brings states of insecurity or weakness etc.
Then it gets easier. You find boulders on your path that are the size of a city and you think omg I'm never going to get through this thing... but then by some 'miracle' (a ton of hard work) you do. And you come to another boulder and you have that same feeling of hopelessness but then the 3rd time around you know... you know it is possible. That feeling of hopelessness can't get a hold of you in exactly the same way any more. What's more, if you keep at it, something else comes into the picture and starts helping you... then one experiences the next level of gratitude :-) (and a shimmer of hope).
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Silvio wrote:The enemy has bested us in a fashion that is beyond our language
I was wondering who is the enemy in this sentence of yours, hm?
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well, took me a while to come to finish this message, so now the time indicators at the start of it are already out of date .
To make up for my lateness hehe I found a nice quote linked to what is sorcery:
The Active Side of Infinity wrote:He patiently explained to me that the interruption of that flow of continuity that
makes the world understandable to us is sorcery. He remarked that I had
journeyed that day through the dark sea of awareness.
(…)
My mind was focused on an insoluble dilemma: I was alive despite the fact that I
had jumped into an abyss in order to die ten hours before. I knew that such a
dilemma could never be resolved. My normal cognition required a linear
explanation in order to be satisfied, and linear explanations were not
possible. That was the crux of the interruption of continuity. Don Juan had
said that that interruption was sorcery.
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Silvio wrote:I don't understand how you're all still on the sorcerer's path. And sorry, but I can't bring myself to believe that any of you are actual seers or warriors. (...) Defining sorcery as shifting the AP, I'm sure there are many here who have flirted with it and can be called sorcerers, but warriors...?
There is a reason why I think sorcery is a good name for a site such as ours. It is true that many seekers who come by here are not warriors. Becoming a warrior is already quite an accomplishment in my book. It requires discipline, strong will, and impeccable intent... and not running away from challenges (actually sometimes running towards them hehe).
But to get to what 'sorcery' actually is... yes, it is about shifting the AP. To arrive at the place of stopping the world (to the functional blocking of the first ring of power) and beyond.
.
Silvio wrote:I don't think one can actually practice sorcery without a teacher.
You just said above how people who come by are more likely sorcerers than warriors. Sorcery, the way you define it (which I like), can be done without teachers (shifting the AP can be done without teachers). I think it is possible to practice shifting the AP without teachers. The question is what likelihood one has to go all the way to stopping the world without any help. But I think it is possible...
.
Silvio wrote:How can you possibly endure the warrior's life without a teacher?
I think the question here is more like this: How can one possibly endure the warrior's life?
And here we come to the thing I wanted to add into my previous reply... I wanted to tell you about the importance of loving this way of life. If one doesn't enjoy growth and learning and being with spirit in the magic of it all... then I don't think the person stands a chance. This is the thing we need to develop first and foremost... love for learning, growth, wonder, and the feeling of gratitude to be able to experience all of that. Because in some way the life of a warrior and the life of a 'common man' (lets call it) are the same. We all try to do the things we love and enjoy. Someone enjoys fishing, someone enjoys spending time with their family, someone loves to travel. They work to get the money and means to do those things and arrange the time in such a way that they can do them once in a while and/or as much as they are able to.
Most of us don't enjoy uncertainty, fear, pressure, weakness, indecision, most people don't want to work hard... if there is nothing that you enjoy or love in it then most people wont do that. In some sense the warrior's path is asking people to go willingly into hell and walk through it without going crazy or complaining much, without being given almost any/a minimum of sign posts or maps of the place and even doing it with a smile at some point.
This is why they say no person would choose such a path.
Which is why they say it is not a choice. But what is a choice? I think it is a choice on some level. Imagine someone being so very ill they cannot live life like a 'common man.' One might say they had no choice, they had to shift in order to be able to live. But one might also say that is not true because others in similar situations don't make such a choice and stay in their prisons. One might say the person was chosen by spirit - you surely know the self-healed madman/shaman theme. If it is so extreme that the person is basically barred from life unless they do something about it. Then one could say that the situation gave them no choice. But truly there are so many terribly ill people on the globe and they are not all on the path of knowledge. So why were those others not forced into it? Because it still is a choice. No one takes the choice away (to a certain point at least, because there is a point of no return but one can get there thanks to one's choice, but ofc not only that). It is just that the strength of their will and intent has to be insurmountably bigger if they have to get out of their situation and problems (or it seems so at least). What would make this so? What would make them want to do all that hard work? Love for life, the wish to enjoy and experience it, to feel healthy and part of everything that is alive. But, another factor that is to their erm advantage in making the choice is that the fire under their butts is very hard to ignore :-D.
This is one way... but it is not the only way. I just wanted to point out there is more happening in that 'it is not a choice'. It is not a choice for a person who wants to grow and who has certain preferences for and demands of life. But it is a choice in the sense that many don't choose it.
And what is life, what is being alive? it is growth. Everything that is alive grows and changes, evolves. You gotta love that even if it brings states of insecurity or weakness etc.
Then it gets easier. You find boulders on your path that are the size of a city and you think omg I'm never going to get through this thing... but then by some 'miracle' (a ton of hard work) you do. And you come to another boulder and you have that same feeling of hopelessness but then the 3rd time around you know... you know it is possible. That feeling of hopelessness can't get a hold of you in exactly the same way any more. What's more, if you keep at it, something else comes into the picture and starts helping you... then one experiences the next level of gratitude :-) (and a shimmer of hope).
.
Silvio wrote:The enemy has bested us in a fashion that is beyond our language
I was wondering who is the enemy in this sentence of yours, hm?
----
well, took me a while to come to finish this message, so now the time indicators at the start of it are already out of date .
To make up for my lateness hehe I found a nice quote linked to what is sorcery:
The Active Side of Infinity wrote:He patiently explained to me that the interruption of that flow of continuity that
makes the world understandable to us is sorcery. He remarked that I had
journeyed that day through the dark sea of awareness.
(…)
My mind was focused on an insoluble dilemma: I was alive despite the fact that I
had jumped into an abyss in order to die ten hours before. I knew that such a
dilemma could never be resolved. My normal cognition required a linear
explanation in order to be satisfied, and linear explanations were not
possible. That was the crux of the interruption of continuity. Don Juan had
said that that interruption was sorcery.