05-29-2011, 12:00 AM
Bob May wrote:It passes because of the cycles and it also will pass entirely. It also can be because of problems in life. We all have them.
While we are here beneath a certain level of understanding we must learn to balance the good things with the bad.
Hm .
Bob wrote:My sixteen year old son had a close friend die just a few weeks ago by his own hand. My son had been planning on spending the night at his house that coming weekend. He was actually the last person who had any contact with his friend by text message the day of his death.
How can my son balance that? Why hadn't this boy had someone to talk to that would instill in him the need to balance his sorrow with something better?
We are surrounded by death and life. Choose life. It is as simple as that but it is an effort to put into practice. Bob wrote:We seem to be speaking about balance here.
My teacher always cautioned against wild swings of emotion. To go back and forth from great joy to great sorrow is not balance.
I think I understand your point.
I understand that what I said could be taken from a negative point of view as well. But I also said my emotions were too strong and bordered on pain, which was not a healthy state. I know this all the more now, when they are different and I do not go into these extremes anymore. Emotions are (should be) comfortable, mine are, and yes I agree balance is very important. Still, I see the feeling of sadness for what it is. And if we are healthy still this feeling comes. And as I said it has a practicality to it. I remember DJ said sadness is something like floating around the universe and that we just kind of pick it up because of that (paraphrase, no idea how exactly this was expressed or in what book)
It is hard if something like this happens to a young person, because yes, they are not balanced very well yet (I wasn't and my emotions were strong and painful). My most straining effort went not into dreaming or seeing or any of these 'other worldly' stuff, but into normal life, balancing myself, my emotions, becoming healthier, into cleansing and making myself more whole.
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watergaze wrote:What would you compare this abyss to in CC's teachings? Is it the loss of human forms? In shamanic terms it would be death I guess, how they die and come back again. When reading your posts I often read Daath as Death . This concept you write about is something totally new, I have no knowledge of it, so I am trying to understand it through what I know.. Bob wrote:To actually experience something spiritual instead of just reading it or accepting it in theory would be touching on Daath. True experiential knowledge. It has nothing to do with death. It is Revelation. Something of another, higher realm than we ever imagined existed actually touching us. I never knew what it felt like to be a father until I watched my first son being born. Then it was a miracle.
This is an analogy of course, but an appropriate one.
The way you describe it it seems as something we all know/do/experience. Experiencing.. Gaining knowledge through experiencing. Somehow it seemed as something much more mystical when you were writing about it before . Now I am not sure anymore, will have to reread what you wrote.. Though, ok, you saying "true" knowledge makes it a bit more mystical .
Bob wrote:
In Revelations Jesus refers to himself as Alpha and Omega. The beginning and end.
Solomon said no man can find out the work of God from beginning to end. He was right.
We must recieve the Spirit of God in order to reach across the abyss. To go from troubled to astonished.
Until then we are operating from the spirit and mind of man.
After that we are operating from the mind of Christ and the Spirit of God.
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In the Qabalah, that abyss is called Daath, (Knowledge)
This is knowledge that is experiential in it's character. Becoming "one with" something as a man and wife become one body during intercourse.
But to cross that abyss is not possible for "Natural Man."
...
So what is impossible with man is possible with God.
This is the abyss that Solomon came to. But what was not yet available to him is available to us.
We are surrounded by the Kingdom of Heaven.
We must receive the spirit of God in order to reach across the abyss = we must receive the spirit of God in order to reach knowledge through experience..
Before we receive the spirit of God we are operating from the spirit and mind of man.
I guess I was asking about how this receiving of the spirit of God happens, that was the question about losing human form or dying. For me it seemed that is what opens to us the crossing over the abyss - the abyss I could imagine at least . What makes us very close with Spirit - which in my mind kind of resonates with your "receive the spirit of God"
But now from what you tell me it looks like I mixed apples with pears . Could you please just say this in some layman's terms? Are you saying that to have true experiential knowledge we need to receive the spirit of God? What is spirit of God in this sense? How do we receive it?
I am not sure I am very good with analogies . Thank you for the fresh breeze of inspiring ideas though..
While we are here beneath a certain level of understanding we must learn to balance the good things with the bad.
Hm .
Bob wrote:My sixteen year old son had a close friend die just a few weeks ago by his own hand. My son had been planning on spending the night at his house that coming weekend. He was actually the last person who had any contact with his friend by text message the day of his death.
How can my son balance that? Why hadn't this boy had someone to talk to that would instill in him the need to balance his sorrow with something better?
We are surrounded by death and life. Choose life. It is as simple as that but it is an effort to put into practice. Bob wrote:We seem to be speaking about balance here.
My teacher always cautioned against wild swings of emotion. To go back and forth from great joy to great sorrow is not balance.
I think I understand your point.
I understand that what I said could be taken from a negative point of view as well. But I also said my emotions were too strong and bordered on pain, which was not a healthy state. I know this all the more now, when they are different and I do not go into these extremes anymore. Emotions are (should be) comfortable, mine are, and yes I agree balance is very important. Still, I see the feeling of sadness for what it is. And if we are healthy still this feeling comes. And as I said it has a practicality to it. I remember DJ said sadness is something like floating around the universe and that we just kind of pick it up because of that (paraphrase, no idea how exactly this was expressed or in what book)
It is hard if something like this happens to a young person, because yes, they are not balanced very well yet (I wasn't and my emotions were strong and painful). My most straining effort went not into dreaming or seeing or any of these 'other worldly' stuff, but into normal life, balancing myself, my emotions, becoming healthier, into cleansing and making myself more whole.
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watergaze wrote:What would you compare this abyss to in CC's teachings? Is it the loss of human forms? In shamanic terms it would be death I guess, how they die and come back again. When reading your posts I often read Daath as Death . This concept you write about is something totally new, I have no knowledge of it, so I am trying to understand it through what I know.. Bob wrote:To actually experience something spiritual instead of just reading it or accepting it in theory would be touching on Daath. True experiential knowledge. It has nothing to do with death. It is Revelation. Something of another, higher realm than we ever imagined existed actually touching us. I never knew what it felt like to be a father until I watched my first son being born. Then it was a miracle.
This is an analogy of course, but an appropriate one.
The way you describe it it seems as something we all know/do/experience. Experiencing.. Gaining knowledge through experiencing. Somehow it seemed as something much more mystical when you were writing about it before . Now I am not sure anymore, will have to reread what you wrote.. Though, ok, you saying "true" knowledge makes it a bit more mystical .
Bob wrote:
In Revelations Jesus refers to himself as Alpha and Omega. The beginning and end.
Solomon said no man can find out the work of God from beginning to end. He was right.
We must recieve the Spirit of God in order to reach across the abyss. To go from troubled to astonished.
Until then we are operating from the spirit and mind of man.
After that we are operating from the mind of Christ and the Spirit of God.
...
In the Qabalah, that abyss is called Daath, (Knowledge)
This is knowledge that is experiential in it's character. Becoming "one with" something as a man and wife become one body during intercourse.
But to cross that abyss is not possible for "Natural Man."
...
So what is impossible with man is possible with God.
This is the abyss that Solomon came to. But what was not yet available to him is available to us.
We are surrounded by the Kingdom of Heaven.
We must receive the spirit of God in order to reach across the abyss = we must receive the spirit of God in order to reach knowledge through experience..
Before we receive the spirit of God we are operating from the spirit and mind of man.
I guess I was asking about how this receiving of the spirit of God happens, that was the question about losing human form or dying. For me it seemed that is what opens to us the crossing over the abyss - the abyss I could imagine at least . What makes us very close with Spirit - which in my mind kind of resonates with your "receive the spirit of God"
But now from what you tell me it looks like I mixed apples with pears . Could you please just say this in some layman's terms? Are you saying that to have true experiential knowledge we need to receive the spirit of God? What is spirit of God in this sense? How do we receive it?
I am not sure I am very good with analogies . Thank you for the fresh breeze of inspiring ideas though..