06-01-2011, 12:00 AM
Nu Lang wrote:
Also, the right could open it eyes, take in the nagual, but then if it closes them again it took what it saw and adds it to self refection once eyes are closed, so the information it has becomes contaminated, in Buddhism this would be called 'ignorance'. But it also shows a progressive process, that each time the right could open its eyes, it gets a boost and centimeter of change to alter its interior view by taking in the nagual to impact its reflective state. Over time a momentum could gather, if there is discipline to do so, and thus the eye could become completely open, the witness. And this also describes what the third eye is...ever open witness.
Also at this power spot I pay attention to the behavior of people, they indicate what is happening in other areas and so the people serve as messengers in how they behave...what they say or do. Like actors sending forth spirits messages/teachings.I just answered this post and lost it accidentally.
Oh well, basically the principle you are talking about is in the story of Jacob/ Israel.
Jacob is the "supplanter" and "seeking after God"
His name changes to Israel "Grace or Favor with man and God."
Each time he has a spiritual experience his name changes to Israel.
Grace or Favor is a gift. It is not earned.
Jacob is called the "supplanter" (taking the place of another) because he tricks his brother Esau out of his inheritance and later tricks his father Isaac into giving him Esau's birthright also. This is well known.
But further, I believe that this supplanting taking place also has to do with Jacob taking the place of Israel.
This change of name happens several times. when he wrestles with an angel until the breaking of dawn (enlightenment). When he sees the ladder set up which I partially described above. And a very important instance where it actually says that Israel is Jacob's spirit which has been asleep, apparently.
Ge 45:26
And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.
Ge 45:27
And they told him all the words of Joseph, which he had said unto them: and when he saw the wagons which Joseph had sent to carry him, the spirit of Jacob their father revived:
Ge 45:28
And Israel said, It is enough; Joseph my son is yet alive: I will go and see him before I die.
Someone mentioned the coyote as trickster being the sorcerer's world or Astral planes. This sounds right to me. Jacob is a trickster. He is us.
We have a spiritual experience and turn it into an expanded part of our Tonal. We think we did it by our own effort.
But it is our desire to experience and know the unknown that brings us to these things.
Why are we different? Because we are Jacob. "Seeking after God." Seeking after the unknown.
But where did we get this yearning??? We, most of us were born with it, I think though maybe some got it later in life.
But most people could care less.
So the seeking after God (Jacob) that is a part of us is a gift (Israel) from God.
Don Juan said that Power dictated who would be an apprentice.
Jesus said, "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you."
This awareness that it is all a gift, Grace, Favor, I believe helps us to keep the tonal from growing and taking over the spiritual side of things. Our world view expands but we know there is more to come.
Every time I've had what I consider a true Spiritual experience, (not just an astral level thing) it has been very different from anything I had experienced previously.
We are growing into the nagual as Don Juan might put it but growing in Christ in Christian terms. Fellow heirs, having recieved the birthright.
Going into a land we knew not.
"Surely the Lord is in this place and I knew it not."
"It has not entered into the hearts and minds of man what God has in store for his children."
It is beyond our ability to imagine.
Also, the right could open it eyes, take in the nagual, but then if it closes them again it took what it saw and adds it to self refection once eyes are closed, so the information it has becomes contaminated, in Buddhism this would be called 'ignorance'. But it also shows a progressive process, that each time the right could open its eyes, it gets a boost and centimeter of change to alter its interior view by taking in the nagual to impact its reflective state. Over time a momentum could gather, if there is discipline to do so, and thus the eye could become completely open, the witness. And this also describes what the third eye is...ever open witness.
Also at this power spot I pay attention to the behavior of people, they indicate what is happening in other areas and so the people serve as messengers in how they behave...what they say or do. Like actors sending forth spirits messages/teachings.I just answered this post and lost it accidentally.
Oh well, basically the principle you are talking about is in the story of Jacob/ Israel.
Jacob is the "supplanter" and "seeking after God"
His name changes to Israel "Grace or Favor with man and God."
Each time he has a spiritual experience his name changes to Israel.
Grace or Favor is a gift. It is not earned.
Jacob is called the "supplanter" (taking the place of another) because he tricks his brother Esau out of his inheritance and later tricks his father Isaac into giving him Esau's birthright also. This is well known.
But further, I believe that this supplanting taking place also has to do with Jacob taking the place of Israel.
This change of name happens several times. when he wrestles with an angel until the breaking of dawn (enlightenment). When he sees the ladder set up which I partially described above. And a very important instance where it actually says that Israel is Jacob's spirit which has been asleep, apparently.
Ge 45:26
And told him, saying, Joseph is yet alive, and he is governor over all the land of Egypt. And Jacob's heart fainted, for he believed them not.
Ge 45:27
And they told him all the words of Joseph, which he had said unto them: and when he saw the wagons which Joseph had sent to carry him, the spirit of Jacob their father revived:
Ge 45:28
And Israel said, It is enough; Joseph my son is yet alive: I will go and see him before I die.
Someone mentioned the coyote as trickster being the sorcerer's world or Astral planes. This sounds right to me. Jacob is a trickster. He is us.
We have a spiritual experience and turn it into an expanded part of our Tonal. We think we did it by our own effort.
But it is our desire to experience and know the unknown that brings us to these things.
Why are we different? Because we are Jacob. "Seeking after God." Seeking after the unknown.
But where did we get this yearning??? We, most of us were born with it, I think though maybe some got it later in life.
But most people could care less.
So the seeking after God (Jacob) that is a part of us is a gift (Israel) from God.
Don Juan said that Power dictated who would be an apprentice.
Jesus said, "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you."
This awareness that it is all a gift, Grace, Favor, I believe helps us to keep the tonal from growing and taking over the spiritual side of things. Our world view expands but we know there is more to come.
Every time I've had what I consider a true Spiritual experience, (not just an astral level thing) it has been very different from anything I had experienced previously.
We are growing into the nagual as Don Juan might put it but growing in Christ in Christian terms. Fellow heirs, having recieved the birthright.
Going into a land we knew not.
"Surely the Lord is in this place and I knew it not."
"It has not entered into the hearts and minds of man what God has in store for his children."
It is beyond our ability to imagine.