05-08-2006, 12:00 AM
here's my experience of seeing with closed eyelids, i quote from the group i wrote it in that time (13 january):
"Last night, i had lied to sleep. some time passed when i was thinking about an issue. I realised that my feelings were so strong, self-pity and shame and a sense of entrappement, that i had difficulty to be the observer. So i pushed my self to be the observer.
As the time passed and i was lost in my thougts in darkness.at the edge of sleep, suddently i realise that i see some strange shapes in front of Me in my room. But my eyes were closed.
I thought that maybe i have just woken up in my energy body without realising it. But when i tried to exit my body, i felt that.. i wasn't exactly in the state of obe. I mean.. my physical body wasn't asleep at all. I was just seeing things in my room with my eyes closed. It was a. different feeling of regular seeing, but.. i cannot describe it.
When i realised that i am not going to have an obe, i got confused and opened my eyes, i saw my regular room.
When i closed my eyes again, after a second (or more or less, i don't know..), again i realised that i was seeing strange shapes and again i checked if i was out of body and i wasn't.
It was very.. different feeling. I was absolutely aware of my body, and my energy body, and there wasn't this.. dreamy perception of the world that even an obe has.
Also, apart from the fact that i was THINKING about if i am in an obe state or not, my body had no desire to have an obe or to do anything else apart from looking at whatever these shapes where.
All this must have lasted a minute or less, but it's something knew for Me, since the shapes i was seeing had no meaning at all.. just shapes with curves, like different shapes of bottles in the darkness of my room, colours Brown or gray.
But, i was busy observing my state than the objects.. so i can't really describe them more.
and, i cannot say that that was "seeing" because i didn't actually "see" anything that i could decode.. what i mean is, that what i was seeing didn't contain any information (as far as i could perceive). The only information was that state itself. "
i want to highlight the last paragraph:
"i cannot say that that was "seeing" because i didn't actually "see" anything that i could decode.. what i mean is, that what i was seeing didn't contain any information (as far as i could perceive). The only information was that state itself."
if this was seeing, why didn't i get any info on what i was seeing? and note that i didn't see anything interesting, just a different objects in my room in brown and dark colours.
if it wasn't seeing, what was it? it wasn't a dream, it wasn't an obe.
"Last night, i had lied to sleep. some time passed when i was thinking about an issue. I realised that my feelings were so strong, self-pity and shame and a sense of entrappement, that i had difficulty to be the observer. So i pushed my self to be the observer.
As the time passed and i was lost in my thougts in darkness.at the edge of sleep, suddently i realise that i see some strange shapes in front of Me in my room. But my eyes were closed.
I thought that maybe i have just woken up in my energy body without realising it. But when i tried to exit my body, i felt that.. i wasn't exactly in the state of obe. I mean.. my physical body wasn't asleep at all. I was just seeing things in my room with my eyes closed. It was a. different feeling of regular seeing, but.. i cannot describe it.
When i realised that i am not going to have an obe, i got confused and opened my eyes, i saw my regular room.
When i closed my eyes again, after a second (or more or less, i don't know..), again i realised that i was seeing strange shapes and again i checked if i was out of body and i wasn't.
It was very.. different feeling. I was absolutely aware of my body, and my energy body, and there wasn't this.. dreamy perception of the world that even an obe has.
Also, apart from the fact that i was THINKING about if i am in an obe state or not, my body had no desire to have an obe or to do anything else apart from looking at whatever these shapes where.
All this must have lasted a minute or less, but it's something knew for Me, since the shapes i was seeing had no meaning at all.. just shapes with curves, like different shapes of bottles in the darkness of my room, colours Brown or gray.
But, i was busy observing my state than the objects.. so i can't really describe them more.
and, i cannot say that that was "seeing" because i didn't actually "see" anything that i could decode.. what i mean is, that what i was seeing didn't contain any information (as far as i could perceive). The only information was that state itself. "
i want to highlight the last paragraph:
"i cannot say that that was "seeing" because i didn't actually "see" anything that i could decode.. what i mean is, that what i was seeing didn't contain any information (as far as i could perceive). The only information was that state itself."
if this was seeing, why didn't i get any info on what i was seeing? and note that i didn't see anything interesting, just a different objects in my room in brown and dark colours.
if it wasn't seeing, what was it? it wasn't a dream, it wasn't an obe.