01-31-2011, 12:00 AM
" I would be curious to hear more about your thoughts on "escaping death". How do you yourself define this? Do you see it as a function of the double or dreaming body - shifting awareness from the human body into the energy body? If so, is that what you would see as darting past the eagle to be free - that moment of transference of awareness from organic to inorganic Self?" Alien
Escaping death is the real reason I was fascinated with the Teachings of Don Juan. We as humans can will our own death. I can stop my heart with my mind. I can restart my heart. What does this tell me? I can intend death. I believe also I can shift when the death event begins and shed my body. For I learned when the heart beat stops awareness still continues. The body no longer will contain the spirit and the spirit is freed. What happens next is the big question. The description of "darting past the eagle" which is pretty much inaccurate meaning that we are this fast moving being and avoiding the talons reaching for us. This description is from the old seers. They wanted power, power over their fellow men, black magicians in dreaming and in real life they were. The eagle/spirit played their game but in the end wanted them to lose for the main ingredient of nature/universe is advancing, mutating, adapting and overcoming. Since the first living being we have been a experiment in survival. The spirit favors those who have heart, who see with tears and know their love is absorbing the manifestations of its intent.
Who gives humans dreaming bodies at birth? I can see this old fellow with a bag full of dreaming doubles handing them out to each new person being born on their way to the womb.. All beings dream. They have these bubbles of awareness that go out into the world in dreaming. One has to advance in dreaming to create the dreaming double. The dreaming double often resembles their body but it is not always the case. The double of a nagual being can actually advance to having its own personality/awareness which is independent of the human. The dreaming double is used to escape death but that ability is not just "given" to it. It must advance through stalking the eagle or with the aid of the inorganics.
The old Seers used the double to cheat death and they also used major shifts by shapeshifting to cheat death with their human bodies. When a Nagual party leaves the world they take their bodies but their bodies are shed once they shift and they give it to the eagle and go on..thus the "darting" for after their bodies are shed they DO move much faster.
The symbolic death Eilias mentions is another way of describing the birth of the double in dreaming.
Escaping death is the real reason I was fascinated with the Teachings of Don Juan. We as humans can will our own death. I can stop my heart with my mind. I can restart my heart. What does this tell me? I can intend death. I believe also I can shift when the death event begins and shed my body. For I learned when the heart beat stops awareness still continues. The body no longer will contain the spirit and the spirit is freed. What happens next is the big question. The description of "darting past the eagle" which is pretty much inaccurate meaning that we are this fast moving being and avoiding the talons reaching for us. This description is from the old seers. They wanted power, power over their fellow men, black magicians in dreaming and in real life they were. The eagle/spirit played their game but in the end wanted them to lose for the main ingredient of nature/universe is advancing, mutating, adapting and overcoming. Since the first living being we have been a experiment in survival. The spirit favors those who have heart, who see with tears and know their love is absorbing the manifestations of its intent.
Who gives humans dreaming bodies at birth? I can see this old fellow with a bag full of dreaming doubles handing them out to each new person being born on their way to the womb.. All beings dream. They have these bubbles of awareness that go out into the world in dreaming. One has to advance in dreaming to create the dreaming double. The dreaming double often resembles their body but it is not always the case. The double of a nagual being can actually advance to having its own personality/awareness which is independent of the human. The dreaming double is used to escape death but that ability is not just "given" to it. It must advance through stalking the eagle or with the aid of the inorganics.
The old Seers used the double to cheat death and they also used major shifts by shapeshifting to cheat death with their human bodies. When a Nagual party leaves the world they take their bodies but their bodies are shed once they shift and they give it to the eagle and go on..thus the "darting" for after their bodies are shed they DO move much faster.
The symbolic death Eilias mentions is another way of describing the birth of the double in dreaming.