02-08-2011, 12:00 AM
mothsdream wrote:i think i've gone off-course here, but anyway ~
it seems to me that at the very outset of their quests, the old seers and new seers are different in that the old seers were seeking to use what they found to elevate their status as human beings - that is to say they followed their own intents. the new seers are seeking to use what they find to illuminate their totality - which is to say that they align themselves with the intent of the nagual. i believe that the old seers were enticed to become obsessed with power, and because of it, they only understood hierarchy and thus made themselves students and followers of the death defiers and the inorganic beings. the new seers are aligned with freedom and freedom only - although they may associate with these beings they offer themselves to the nagual. the only way i see to become a new seer is to reduce the amount of energy you give to your tonal and the tonal at large - to undo your self. for people who like the cc books, i think it's pretty obvious that the books give us two examples to follow, don juan who represents freedom, the new seers, and the nagual.... and carlos who represents entanglement, the tonal, and the old seers. don juan is available in dreaming to those who seek freedom.I agree with you Moth. In the case of Carlos, I think he purposely made himself in the position of the tonal seeker, to represent that as a link for us to identify with him and then cross over via Don Juan's level of attention that contrasted it. Good cop bad cop if you will. We naturally gravitated towards DJ as a result of Carlos's antics and how inferior they presented themselves. In terms of power, the old seers are inferior. If Carlos just told us abotu it in words, it would not mean much, but if he BECAME that, there is more to that that sinks into our attention forever permeating our awareness as we progress and see that contrast for ourselves.
The foreign installation dominated the old seers, and everyone born is subjected to the flyer as well...that means us...so we need to see whats in our mind in order to evict it, evict the old seers ways. Carlos showed us. It never appeared to me he expected people to emulate him, but rather DJ. Thats very telling that he knew what he was doing all along. If he really wanted tonal power, he would have disguised himself to appear flawless. What I feel he did was give an honest account of a man who sought to become a new seer (him), and the honesty was a warriors gesture of transparency about what was inside him that he did not want to pay allegiance to. If he had doubts, he worte abotu it, if he had anger, he wrote about it, if he had fear he wrote about it...he held nothing back. Facing ourselves in this way IS what is required.
it seems to me that at the very outset of their quests, the old seers and new seers are different in that the old seers were seeking to use what they found to elevate their status as human beings - that is to say they followed their own intents. the new seers are seeking to use what they find to illuminate their totality - which is to say that they align themselves with the intent of the nagual. i believe that the old seers were enticed to become obsessed with power, and because of it, they only understood hierarchy and thus made themselves students and followers of the death defiers and the inorganic beings. the new seers are aligned with freedom and freedom only - although they may associate with these beings they offer themselves to the nagual. the only way i see to become a new seer is to reduce the amount of energy you give to your tonal and the tonal at large - to undo your self. for people who like the cc books, i think it's pretty obvious that the books give us two examples to follow, don juan who represents freedom, the new seers, and the nagual.... and carlos who represents entanglement, the tonal, and the old seers. don juan is available in dreaming to those who seek freedom.I agree with you Moth. In the case of Carlos, I think he purposely made himself in the position of the tonal seeker, to represent that as a link for us to identify with him and then cross over via Don Juan's level of attention that contrasted it. Good cop bad cop if you will. We naturally gravitated towards DJ as a result of Carlos's antics and how inferior they presented themselves. In terms of power, the old seers are inferior. If Carlos just told us abotu it in words, it would not mean much, but if he BECAME that, there is more to that that sinks into our attention forever permeating our awareness as we progress and see that contrast for ourselves.
The foreign installation dominated the old seers, and everyone born is subjected to the flyer as well...that means us...so we need to see whats in our mind in order to evict it, evict the old seers ways. Carlos showed us. It never appeared to me he expected people to emulate him, but rather DJ. Thats very telling that he knew what he was doing all along. If he really wanted tonal power, he would have disguised himself to appear flawless. What I feel he did was give an honest account of a man who sought to become a new seer (him), and the honesty was a warriors gesture of transparency about what was inside him that he did not want to pay allegiance to. If he had doubts, he worte abotu it, if he had anger, he wrote about it, if he had fear he wrote about it...he held nothing back. Facing ourselves in this way IS what is required.