12-26-2010, 12:01 AM
Hi all,
interesting thread, this.
I agree that, the idea of a nagual church seems preposterous, but, if you stop and think about it,..........is it really so strange?
I doubt if Dreamways would share my view of this, (though, you never know,), but, he's actually onto an interesting subject.
Consider the parralels between CC's writings, and organised religions.
Just as, with most religions, CC's version of "Nagualism", offers us the promise that, by a lifetime of correct behaviour, we can continue our awareness after death.
The same characteristics are reckoned to be beneficial,.......like,........humility, discipline, patience, hard work, etc.
We even, have DJ as the Saviour.
A normal man, who has become "divine" through his actions, and can be admired and emulated.
His miracles abound, and its all there, documented, in "the bible" of Nagualism.
Any rational, objective attempt to question "the bible", is seen as heresy.
"Persecute. Kill the heretic!" (Life of Brain,).
The same attitude is often displayed towards those who question the "believers", or the reliability of thier conclusions.
Would it really be so weird, to start a "Nagual church?
Insane, and senseless, perhaps, but, it pretty much fits in with established patterns of human behaviour.
Having established such a church, (assuming that is possible,), it would soon display all the usual characteristics of such things, like, elitism, factionalism and infighting, hierarchy, and the tyranny of the charismatic.
Witness that, much of this behaviour is already manifest on the various internet forums, and elsewhere.
I would say,.....if you wish to be a "normal" human, it is by no means, an unusual idea to start such a church.
If however, you read CC's works objectively, you may have noticed the solitary nature of those who practice such things.
Of course, those who propose such a church, may be attempting to create a group enviroment for learning and support, in lieu of having teachers, or a sorcerer's party to guide them.
If so, that is understandable, and in some ways, seems attractive,........................but,..................I refer you to comments above, regarding normal human bahavioual patterns.
Unless, all the members of a Nagual chuch were impeccable, it would quickly go the way of all other human structures.
I've met many fine people, but, never anyone impeccable.
Its an ideal, to be strived for continuously, but never attained.
So,.........I'll close by saying,.......if you want a church, .......have one!
Accept that, a church is all you'll have,......just like, any other church.
interesting thread, this.
I agree that, the idea of a nagual church seems preposterous, but, if you stop and think about it,..........is it really so strange?
I doubt if Dreamways would share my view of this, (though, you never know,), but, he's actually onto an interesting subject.
Consider the parralels between CC's writings, and organised religions.
Just as, with most religions, CC's version of "Nagualism", offers us the promise that, by a lifetime of correct behaviour, we can continue our awareness after death.
The same characteristics are reckoned to be beneficial,.......like,........humility, discipline, patience, hard work, etc.
We even, have DJ as the Saviour.
A normal man, who has become "divine" through his actions, and can be admired and emulated.
His miracles abound, and its all there, documented, in "the bible" of Nagualism.
Any rational, objective attempt to question "the bible", is seen as heresy.
"Persecute. Kill the heretic!" (Life of Brain,).
The same attitude is often displayed towards those who question the "believers", or the reliability of thier conclusions.
Would it really be so weird, to start a "Nagual church?
Insane, and senseless, perhaps, but, it pretty much fits in with established patterns of human behaviour.
Having established such a church, (assuming that is possible,), it would soon display all the usual characteristics of such things, like, elitism, factionalism and infighting, hierarchy, and the tyranny of the charismatic.
Witness that, much of this behaviour is already manifest on the various internet forums, and elsewhere.
I would say,.....if you wish to be a "normal" human, it is by no means, an unusual idea to start such a church.
If however, you read CC's works objectively, you may have noticed the solitary nature of those who practice such things.
Of course, those who propose such a church, may be attempting to create a group enviroment for learning and support, in lieu of having teachers, or a sorcerer's party to guide them.
If so, that is understandable, and in some ways, seems attractive,........................but,..................I refer you to comments above, regarding normal human bahavioual patterns.
Unless, all the members of a Nagual chuch were impeccable, it would quickly go the way of all other human structures.
I've met many fine people, but, never anyone impeccable.
Its an ideal, to be strived for continuously, but never attained.
So,.........I'll close by saying,.......if you want a church, .......have one!
Accept that, a church is all you'll have,......just like, any other church.