08-08-2008, 12:00 AM
Blue totem wrote:
You vision of things is kinda dark. To say that we are part of hell is very negative.
But in a way it`s not completely impossible, when we consider all the suffering and pain on this earth...
Are you saying the nagual is a jinn? Isn`t the nagual God in essence?
What I'm getting at here is that Hell is simply a collection of physical and super-physical diemensions that are not evil Everything has a trade off,
Heaven and Hell both. All of creation encompasses both Heaven and Hell, there is suffering and discontent as well as beauty and happiness throughout it.
Another way to look at Hell is as the physical representation of God. So, you could still say that the Nagual is God, but it would be more truthful to point
out what side of God when making that statement. The day we stop condemning anything not found in the non-physical "heaven" realms is the day we
start considering that our earthly neigbors, our fellow men, are not evil because they don't share our view. T
he Nagual is a Jinn, an Arch-Jinn if you want to call him that, or even Metatron in disguise. But, Iblis did not always reside in the physical side of heaven,
it was only when he made the "first sorcerer's crossing" did the nagual manifest itself here. The jinn are a type of angel, the
"eighth" kind, from the eighth level of heaven. I don't believe that anything they have ever done has not been God's plan all along. Not
only are the Jinn the first being like man that god created, they are also the first beings of any kind that were created. The first crossing is actually the
"crossing of the first". Iblis is God's witness to everything that has ever come to be. He is like Tyrannosaurus Rex, strange and ancient, a
relic from a past too far distant for any to remember except God and himself.
The Nagual was also the name of the Eighth level of Heaven that was abandoned by the Jinn, it is empty now, something of a ghost town. Since the Eighth level
of Hell is the Earth, and it is not a ghost town, my guess is that the energy was transferred from one to the other.
You vision of things is kinda dark. To say that we are part of hell is very negative.
But in a way it`s not completely impossible, when we consider all the suffering and pain on this earth...
Are you saying the nagual is a jinn? Isn`t the nagual God in essence?
What I'm getting at here is that Hell is simply a collection of physical and super-physical diemensions that are not evil Everything has a trade off,
Heaven and Hell both. All of creation encompasses both Heaven and Hell, there is suffering and discontent as well as beauty and happiness throughout it.
Another way to look at Hell is as the physical representation of God. So, you could still say that the Nagual is God, but it would be more truthful to point
out what side of God when making that statement. The day we stop condemning anything not found in the non-physical "heaven" realms is the day we
start considering that our earthly neigbors, our fellow men, are not evil because they don't share our view. T
he Nagual is a Jinn, an Arch-Jinn if you want to call him that, or even Metatron in disguise. But, Iblis did not always reside in the physical side of heaven,
it was only when he made the "first sorcerer's crossing" did the nagual manifest itself here. The jinn are a type of angel, the
"eighth" kind, from the eighth level of heaven. I don't believe that anything they have ever done has not been God's plan all along. Not
only are the Jinn the first being like man that god created, they are also the first beings of any kind that were created. The first crossing is actually the
"crossing of the first". Iblis is God's witness to everything that has ever come to be. He is like Tyrannosaurus Rex, strange and ancient, a
relic from a past too far distant for any to remember except God and himself.
The Nagual was also the name of the Eighth level of Heaven that was abandoned by the Jinn, it is empty now, something of a ghost town. Since the Eighth level
of Hell is the Earth, and it is not a ghost town, my guess is that the energy was transferred from one to the other.