08-29-2008, 12:00 AM
Hi Vrill,
"I can imagine how disorienting this would be, if a person experienced near-complete ego loss, when they were completely identified, that they would think
they had gone nuts, since they would lose all of their reference points."
I think the loss of all reference points happens (and happened to me) when I stopped the world back in the 80's.
I saw the need for a "philosophy" in life at that time. It was a crazy ride that lasted months. Without some kind of structure, we are leaves in the
wind.
Different perceptions of the world each day.
The Ego loss is a part of the school of thought you subscribe to but all complete "systems", as far as I know, approach this goal as a gradual
process. It takes time and maturity to face the unknown with any kind of stability.
I look at these experiences as glimpses into planes or subplanes close to normal consciousness, (lateral shifts?, a shift below?) but definitely beyond the
veil. I have seen these things and visited these "realms" many times since then. Always brought on by stopping the internal dialog, but more intense
and lasting longer as a "residual effect" of a Spiritual experience. It took many "visits" to these realms before the fear factor
dissappeared. The difference was a philosophy or belief system and some maturity (or repitition/experience) in these things.
One experience I had was so strange to me that I still don't know of how I got there. It began in dreaming, but upon waking it continued for about half an
hour. As if the dream continued. So it was both dream and vision.
About 20 years later, I found this experience described. The "Gospel of Truth" in the Nag Hammadi Scrolls. Supposedly written by a guy named
Valentinious, a Gnostic Christian. His followers believed in the importance of Spiritual Experience and so were basically banned by the "Powers that
be." (Those who have there own connection to the Spirit cannot be controlled.)
Reading that was a great confirmation to me. Both that it was real (of which I had no doubt) but more importantly, that these things are Objective to the
extent that not only we can repeat them, but that we can visit or be visited by the exact same things as other people separated by hundreds of years of time.
His writing were not included in collections of scrolls later to be collected and used to make what we now know as the New Testament.
"I can imagine how disorienting this would be, if a person experienced near-complete ego loss, when they were completely identified, that they would think
they had gone nuts, since they would lose all of their reference points."
I think the loss of all reference points happens (and happened to me) when I stopped the world back in the 80's.
I saw the need for a "philosophy" in life at that time. It was a crazy ride that lasted months. Without some kind of structure, we are leaves in the
wind.
Different perceptions of the world each day.
The Ego loss is a part of the school of thought you subscribe to but all complete "systems", as far as I know, approach this goal as a gradual
process. It takes time and maturity to face the unknown with any kind of stability.
I look at these experiences as glimpses into planes or subplanes close to normal consciousness, (lateral shifts?, a shift below?) but definitely beyond the
veil. I have seen these things and visited these "realms" many times since then. Always brought on by stopping the internal dialog, but more intense
and lasting longer as a "residual effect" of a Spiritual experience. It took many "visits" to these realms before the fear factor
dissappeared. The difference was a philosophy or belief system and some maturity (or repitition/experience) in these things.
One experience I had was so strange to me that I still don't know of how I got there. It began in dreaming, but upon waking it continued for about half an
hour. As if the dream continued. So it was both dream and vision.
About 20 years later, I found this experience described. The "Gospel of Truth" in the Nag Hammadi Scrolls. Supposedly written by a guy named
Valentinious, a Gnostic Christian. His followers believed in the importance of Spiritual Experience and so were basically banned by the "Powers that
be." (Those who have there own connection to the Spirit cannot be controlled.)
Reading that was a great confirmation to me. Both that it was real (of which I had no doubt) but more importantly, that these things are Objective to the
extent that not only we can repeat them, but that we can visit or be visited by the exact same things as other people separated by hundreds of years of time.
His writing were not included in collections of scrolls later to be collected and used to make what we now know as the New Testament.