08-31-2008, 12:00 AM
"But it too late for all that now as I am too old and my fate is what it is. I'll tell you what though. When I was in my 20's I met people going
that way , but I was too stiff and I did not like it. One other thing. All my life I've had that little voice ; I've been calling it the Knock of the
Spirit , erroneously perhaps. I never knew what it was , I ignored it most of the time. and my fate is what it is
It seems to take a long time for progress to show, but that may be because most of us get into these endeavors early in life. So, in addition to having to
learn a complete new way of looking at the world, we also have to raise families deal with the fast paced Western Cultural environment and also mature at the
same time.
It wasn't so in days gone by. It is my understanding that certain "Mystery Schools" would not let a person in until they were 40 years old. These
Occult Schools demanded a certain amount of maturity in their students before they began to teach them.
"...and my fate is what it is...
All my life I've had that little voice ; I've been calling it the Knock of the Spirit , erroneously perhaps. I never knew what it was , I ignored it
most of the time. It finally kicked my ass and I've been listening ever since."
Then that is your fate. To listen to the Spirit.
I have been studying and practicing these subjects on and off since about 1974 when I first found Castanedas books. That's 34 years. I also got into other
things as you know.
I have had some (for me) earth shattering experiences.
My point is, if I had had only one such experience it would have all been worth it.
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For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
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If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him
a serpent?
12
Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
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If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy
Spirit to them that ask him?
"One more thing as to this thread. You talk of ungrounded shifts."
If I understand you right here I think you are referring to the "randomness" of the shifts Carlos experienced. Or the apparent variety of some of the
things that happened to me.
I look at it as not being random, but a case of Spirit knowing what I need to learn more than I possibly could. How would I know if I have never experienced it
before?
That there is a shift or expanding of awareness is the main thing, I think. And that there is a purpose in reliving them. That I will continue to learn from
past experiences, and that there will be others in the future. Paul said "I will have visions and revelations". It was not bragging. he knew these
things had happened to him and would happen again. He also knew the value of turning off the internal dialog and keeping his mind on higher things.
Keep going the way you are going and something is going to fall on you. Something good.
You are paying attention to things. They may seem small things but it is all the same process. Ther is no big or small.
Don Juan took Carlos on long excursions through the desert, hunting for power. They were watching for reaffirmations. Agreements from the world around them.
They were in essence Listening and Watching for signs from the Spirit. Signs just for them, like your hawks.
that way , but I was too stiff and I did not like it. One other thing. All my life I've had that little voice ; I've been calling it the Knock of the
Spirit , erroneously perhaps. I never knew what it was , I ignored it most of the time. and my fate is what it is
It seems to take a long time for progress to show, but that may be because most of us get into these endeavors early in life. So, in addition to having to
learn a complete new way of looking at the world, we also have to raise families deal with the fast paced Western Cultural environment and also mature at the
same time.
It wasn't so in days gone by. It is my understanding that certain "Mystery Schools" would not let a person in until they were 40 years old. These
Occult Schools demanded a certain amount of maturity in their students before they began to teach them.
"...and my fate is what it is...
All my life I've had that little voice ; I've been calling it the Knock of the Spirit , erroneously perhaps. I never knew what it was , I ignored it
most of the time. It finally kicked my ass and I've been listening ever since."
Then that is your fate. To listen to the Spirit.
I have been studying and practicing these subjects on and off since about 1974 when I first found Castanedas books. That's 34 years. I also got into other
things as you know.
I have had some (for me) earth shattering experiences.
My point is, if I had had only one such experience it would have all been worth it.
10
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11
If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him
a serpent?
12
Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy
Spirit to them that ask him?
"One more thing as to this thread. You talk of ungrounded shifts."
If I understand you right here I think you are referring to the "randomness" of the shifts Carlos experienced. Or the apparent variety of some of the
things that happened to me.
I look at it as not being random, but a case of Spirit knowing what I need to learn more than I possibly could. How would I know if I have never experienced it
before?
That there is a shift or expanding of awareness is the main thing, I think. And that there is a purpose in reliving them. That I will continue to learn from
past experiences, and that there will be others in the future. Paul said "I will have visions and revelations". It was not bragging. he knew these
things had happened to him and would happen again. He also knew the value of turning off the internal dialog and keeping his mind on higher things.
Keep going the way you are going and something is going to fall on you. Something good.
You are paying attention to things. They may seem small things but it is all the same process. Ther is no big or small.
Don Juan took Carlos on long excursions through the desert, hunting for power. They were watching for reaffirmations. Agreements from the world around them.
They were in essence Listening and Watching for signs from the Spirit. Signs just for them, like your hawks.