08-14-2008, 12:00 AM
"Make sure that when you set a goal you know exactly what you want....One of the biggest mistakes that people make is setting a goal for something that
sounds good in theory....Be realistic."
"Check this out, Don Juan did not say that the nagual is the ultimate use of dreaming, he said that dreaming is the ultimate use of the nagual."
"At some point, people have to realize that inorganic energy and the nagual are the same thing. So, nagualism is first and foremost an inorganic
affair."
In the study of the Qabala, there are many realms. As I interpret it the socerer's world and methods belong to the subconscoius realm.
The subconscious realm has never been my goal. And dreaming may be the ultimate use of the Nagual in his world or maybe that's just Carlos saying so.
Either way, you are right.
It is a trap. The entire world of sorcery is.
The ultimate tool to use in reaching higher planes are various forms of meditation (being still). Which type of meditation determines what the person will
experience and yes, you can move your assemblage point using these techniques.
This can bring you all the way to union with God even to the point of unmanifesting bodily. And to the fire from within or Kundalini awakening.
This is why I said that someone was holding back some information from someone somewhere. If Don Juan's party unmanifested they were practicing a method
that went way beyond what Carlos described in his books.
All energy comes from one source. There are many planes, each one infinite as I understand it. There is One Spirit running through it all. The planes or
subplanes that Carlos describes are all of the elemental level. Nature spirits and such.
You could probably explore it forever and not reach an end to it.
And not reach a higher plane either.
I also think Don Juan's definition of Nagual went beyond the quote above. I don't know about Carlos. It really doesn't matter to me. When I read
the books MY definition goes beyond the definition quoted above.
The Unknowable is what I read into it. This matches my system of understanding.
Dreaming is a curiosity for me. I have experienced some things of dreaming. I have experienced much more as a result of meditating. Both while meditating and
also while awake. And even some dreams that did not stop upon awakening.
sounds good in theory....Be realistic."
"Check this out, Don Juan did not say that the nagual is the ultimate use of dreaming, he said that dreaming is the ultimate use of the nagual."
"At some point, people have to realize that inorganic energy and the nagual are the same thing. So, nagualism is first and foremost an inorganic
affair."
In the study of the Qabala, there are many realms. As I interpret it the socerer's world and methods belong to the subconscoius realm.
The subconscious realm has never been my goal. And dreaming may be the ultimate use of the Nagual in his world or maybe that's just Carlos saying so.
Either way, you are right.
It is a trap. The entire world of sorcery is.
The ultimate tool to use in reaching higher planes are various forms of meditation (being still). Which type of meditation determines what the person will
experience and yes, you can move your assemblage point using these techniques.
This can bring you all the way to union with God even to the point of unmanifesting bodily. And to the fire from within or Kundalini awakening.
This is why I said that someone was holding back some information from someone somewhere. If Don Juan's party unmanifested they were practicing a method
that went way beyond what Carlos described in his books.
All energy comes from one source. There are many planes, each one infinite as I understand it. There is One Spirit running through it all. The planes or
subplanes that Carlos describes are all of the elemental level. Nature spirits and such.
You could probably explore it forever and not reach an end to it.
And not reach a higher plane either.
I also think Don Juan's definition of Nagual went beyond the quote above. I don't know about Carlos. It really doesn't matter to me. When I read
the books MY definition goes beyond the definition quoted above.
The Unknowable is what I read into it. This matches my system of understanding.
Dreaming is a curiosity for me. I have experienced some things of dreaming. I have experienced much more as a result of meditating. Both while meditating and
also while awake. And even some dreams that did not stop upon awakening.