08-15-2008, 12:00 AM
"The AP determines the type and level of consciousness. What I meant is that other paths know how to work consciousness, but don't know of the
"power ring", the positions and the effects in consciousness and perception."
I think they do move it in both type and level but don't necessarily know of it's existence or use it as a "switch" so to speak. The
effects (where they wish to go) would be determined by what they are trying to accomplish.
But you are correct they would not have known as much of the realms (Spheres of operation) that the toltecs were about.
"Very high yogis can move the AP of a disciple to the point of God-union... temporarily. But they do it by intent, not by moving the AP. '
Or just by proximity to the adept or yogi. This I would attribute to harmonics (sympathetic vibrations).
They say, for instance "The kundalini rises and you start to see this and that". The kundalini or personal power moves the AP towards God union,
passing through several levels of astral and causal consciousness, but rarely to another positions. Other traditions work the AP naturally... the naguals work
it deliberately.
My teacher was an engineer before retiring. He had only a bachelor's degree yet his ideas ( 17 patents which were manufactured, not just ideas on paper)
ranged in diverse areas of knowledge. Cryogenics, ( a machine that made dry ice), structural, a fork truck company, and Harmonics, (a foolproof oil valve that
activated and deactivated triggered by sound waves. no moving parts.)
He said he knew nothing of electrical systems and so saved that part of the dry ice machine for last. It took him 15 minutes in meditation to understand and
come up with the entire schematics for the machine which consisted of many processes activating each other.
He credited many of his ideas to visiting the Akashic records which is in the upper Astral Light.
These were "deliberate" movements of consciousness (and therefore movements of the AP) to gain specific knowledge. Yogis goal was higher and higher
planes. Not exploring ANY planes to any great extent on their way to union with God.
It's their blessing and curse, because they change to so many positions of the AP that they fail to take the AP higher... except the kaulas.
That is because they are explorers. They are exploring the planes and subplanes that their system of knowledge opened to them.
I look at it as the difference between rising on the planes and exploring the planes. Verticle vs. lateral movements of consciousness.
I have touched on the Akashic records a few times visually. It appeared to me as scenes rushing by so quickly that I could not comprehend it all.
I asked my teacher how to access it. "Do I speed myself up or slow it down,..or "tune into it?"
He said "Tune in" to it.
I think it has a great deal to do with both interest and cultural or sub-cultural availability.
This excerp from the Mystical Qabala in the chapter entitled The Yoga of the West explains a lot in these terms.
For a system of spiritual development to be applicable in the West it must fulfil certain
well-defined requirements. To begin with, its elementary technique must be such that it is
readily grasped by minds that have in them nothing of the mystic. Secondly, the forces it
brings to bear to stimulate the development of the higher aspects of consciousness must
be sufficiently powerful and concentrated to penetrate the relatively dense vehicles of the
average Westerner, who makes nothing whatever of subtle vibrations. Thirdly, as few
Europeans, following a racial dharma of material development, have either the
opportunity or the inclination to lead the life of a recluse, the forces employed must be
handled in such a way that they can be made available during the brief periods that the
modern man or woman can, at the commencement of the Path, snatch from their daily
avocations to give to the pursuit. They must, that is to say, be handled by a technique
which enables them to be readily concentrated and equally readily dispersed, because it is
not possible to maintain these high psychic tensions while living the hard-driving life of
the citizen of a European city. Experience proves with unfailing regularity that the
methods of psychic development which are effectual and satisfactory for the recluse
produce neurotic conditions and breakdowns in the person who pursues them while
compelled to endure the strain of modern life.
"power ring", the positions and the effects in consciousness and perception."
I think they do move it in both type and level but don't necessarily know of it's existence or use it as a "switch" so to speak. The
effects (where they wish to go) would be determined by what they are trying to accomplish.
But you are correct they would not have known as much of the realms (Spheres of operation) that the toltecs were about.
"Very high yogis can move the AP of a disciple to the point of God-union... temporarily. But they do it by intent, not by moving the AP. '
Or just by proximity to the adept or yogi. This I would attribute to harmonics (sympathetic vibrations).
They say, for instance "The kundalini rises and you start to see this and that". The kundalini or personal power moves the AP towards God union,
passing through several levels of astral and causal consciousness, but rarely to another positions. Other traditions work the AP naturally... the naguals work
it deliberately.
My teacher was an engineer before retiring. He had only a bachelor's degree yet his ideas ( 17 patents which were manufactured, not just ideas on paper)
ranged in diverse areas of knowledge. Cryogenics, ( a machine that made dry ice), structural, a fork truck company, and Harmonics, (a foolproof oil valve that
activated and deactivated triggered by sound waves. no moving parts.)
He said he knew nothing of electrical systems and so saved that part of the dry ice machine for last. It took him 15 minutes in meditation to understand and
come up with the entire schematics for the machine which consisted of many processes activating each other.
He credited many of his ideas to visiting the Akashic records which is in the upper Astral Light.
These were "deliberate" movements of consciousness (and therefore movements of the AP) to gain specific knowledge. Yogis goal was higher and higher
planes. Not exploring ANY planes to any great extent on their way to union with God.
It's their blessing and curse, because they change to so many positions of the AP that they fail to take the AP higher... except the kaulas.
That is because they are explorers. They are exploring the planes and subplanes that their system of knowledge opened to them.
I look at it as the difference between rising on the planes and exploring the planes. Verticle vs. lateral movements of consciousness.
I have touched on the Akashic records a few times visually. It appeared to me as scenes rushing by so quickly that I could not comprehend it all.
I asked my teacher how to access it. "Do I speed myself up or slow it down,..or "tune into it?"
He said "Tune in" to it.
I think it has a great deal to do with both interest and cultural or sub-cultural availability.
This excerp from the Mystical Qabala in the chapter entitled The Yoga of the West explains a lot in these terms.
For a system of spiritual development to be applicable in the West it must fulfil certain
well-defined requirements. To begin with, its elementary technique must be such that it is
readily grasped by minds that have in them nothing of the mystic. Secondly, the forces it
brings to bear to stimulate the development of the higher aspects of consciousness must
be sufficiently powerful and concentrated to penetrate the relatively dense vehicles of the
average Westerner, who makes nothing whatever of subtle vibrations. Thirdly, as few
Europeans, following a racial dharma of material development, have either the
opportunity or the inclination to lead the life of a recluse, the forces employed must be
handled in such a way that they can be made available during the brief periods that the
modern man or woman can, at the commencement of the Path, snatch from their daily
avocations to give to the pursuit. They must, that is to say, be handled by a technique
which enables them to be readily concentrated and equally readily dispersed, because it is
not possible to maintain these high psychic tensions while living the hard-driving life of
the citizen of a European city. Experience proves with unfailing regularity that the
methods of psychic development which are effectual and satisfactory for the recluse
produce neurotic conditions and breakdowns in the person who pursues them while
compelled to endure the strain of modern life.

