08-15-2008, 12:00 AM
Your teacher knew quite a bit. As for the deliberate movements, yes, they where deliberate, but not by directly pushing the AP. It was a thing of Intent.
That's what I'am saying.
Naguals knew/know 300 or 600 (don't remember know... according to Don Juan) diferent positions of the AP. First they moved the AP to that position, then
they intended the position again.
You are right, shamans are mostly explorers, but there is a upward movement... but not a concentrated effort in that direction. That's the main failure of
shamans. They could achieve the same realization of a traditional mystic, but they are busy playing with their AP and their controlled folly.
That's why they don't know what freedom is... they were not really looking for it! Not even the new seers. Don Juan knew that but didn't know what
to do so he just keep walking the path as instructed.
It takes twelve years of meditative effort for a natural unfoldment beyond the three bodies. Naguals don't meditate that long. They are big indulgers (Don
Juan words here, again)!
That's what I'am saying.
Naguals knew/know 300 or 600 (don't remember know... according to Don Juan) diferent positions of the AP. First they moved the AP to that position, then
they intended the position again.
You are right, shamans are mostly explorers, but there is a upward movement... but not a concentrated effort in that direction. That's the main failure of
shamans. They could achieve the same realization of a traditional mystic, but they are busy playing with their AP and their controlled folly.
That's why they don't know what freedom is... they were not really looking for it! Not even the new seers. Don Juan knew that but didn't know what
to do so he just keep walking the path as instructed.
It takes twelve years of meditative effort for a natural unfoldment beyond the three bodies. Naguals don't meditate that long. They are big indulgers (Don
Juan words here, again)!