08-19-2008, 12:01 AM
"You post here to promote your agenda, which is not nagualism, it's as simple as that.'
My agenda is to understand what is "out there." If I compare the Qabala, the Bible and Nagualism it is because I see parallels between them. I cannot
see the same parallels in other systems of knowledge because I have no experience with them and very little knowledge of them.
But I realized something last night at work about what we were discussing.
The only thing that is mentioned in don Juan's system that appears to be beyond the Eagle is the Tyrant. You kind of helped me understand this better,
again.
Why do they stop there do you think?
"Well, since we all know that the point of the Eagle is to get past it, that they don't "stop" there, I'll just chock that up to more of
the same anti-nagualist disinformation you've been posting."
Since you are correct that they didn't stop there, then the only thing I can figure is the the goal in sneaking past the Eagle was to reach the Tyrant.
Remember the three things don Juan said about the Tyrant are that it was:
The primal source of energy.
The source of everything.
The one and only ruler in the universe.
Again I say that this is the same definition that fits the first Emanation on the Tree of life. The point inside the circle. The incomprehensible Head and a
whole lot of other names from a lot of other traditions as well. In a word, it is God. That is a pretty general term, but it is accurate nonetheless.
By the way, in the Qabalistic system it is said that if you become one with a Sephirah (Emanation) what you think in mind becomes manifest in matter. How does
don Juan say that? When your commands become the Eagle's commands, wasn't it something like that?
And if you become one with the First Sephirah, Kether, the primal source of energy, the source of everything, you will unmanifest bodily.
Hey, where else did I hear that? Wasn't it from don Juan? Don't you have to get past the Eagle to get a glimse of the unknowable in order for all of
your emanations to light up and so that you can unmanifest bodily?
I think that is a good goal and I'm all for it. It is the right direction in which to point people and so I say that I am pro Nagualism according to don
Juan's teachings.
Where are you missing the reasoning here?
Or is it that you don't believe what I am saying?
Or what Carlos wrote that don Juan said?
Or is it that you are unwilling to admit to yourself that don Juan believed in God?
You can change your ideas about don Juan, or you can change your ideas about God. Either one will work.
There is no problem here. I see no discrepancies.
Only an unwillingness to admit you might be wrong.
My agenda is to understand what is "out there." If I compare the Qabala, the Bible and Nagualism it is because I see parallels between them. I cannot
see the same parallels in other systems of knowledge because I have no experience with them and very little knowledge of them.
But I realized something last night at work about what we were discussing.
The only thing that is mentioned in don Juan's system that appears to be beyond the Eagle is the Tyrant. You kind of helped me understand this better,
again.
Why do they stop there do you think?
"Well, since we all know that the point of the Eagle is to get past it, that they don't "stop" there, I'll just chock that up to more of
the same anti-nagualist disinformation you've been posting."
Since you are correct that they didn't stop there, then the only thing I can figure is the the goal in sneaking past the Eagle was to reach the Tyrant.
Remember the three things don Juan said about the Tyrant are that it was:
The primal source of energy.
The source of everything.
The one and only ruler in the universe.
Again I say that this is the same definition that fits the first Emanation on the Tree of life. The point inside the circle. The incomprehensible Head and a
whole lot of other names from a lot of other traditions as well. In a word, it is God. That is a pretty general term, but it is accurate nonetheless.
By the way, in the Qabalistic system it is said that if you become one with a Sephirah (Emanation) what you think in mind becomes manifest in matter. How does
don Juan say that? When your commands become the Eagle's commands, wasn't it something like that?
And if you become one with the First Sephirah, Kether, the primal source of energy, the source of everything, you will unmanifest bodily.
Hey, where else did I hear that? Wasn't it from don Juan? Don't you have to get past the Eagle to get a glimse of the unknowable in order for all of
your emanations to light up and so that you can unmanifest bodily?
I think that is a good goal and I'm all for it. It is the right direction in which to point people and so I say that I am pro Nagualism according to don
Juan's teachings.
Where are you missing the reasoning here?
Or is it that you don't believe what I am saying?
Or what Carlos wrote that don Juan said?
Or is it that you are unwilling to admit to yourself that don Juan believed in God?
You can change your ideas about don Juan, or you can change your ideas about God. Either one will work.
There is no problem here. I see no discrepancies.
Only an unwillingness to admit you might be wrong.