08-19-2008, 12:01 AM
Hi seeitall,
"I see no evidence for that. you can say that God is everything that is or God is the sea of awareness,
but what's the point then in believing in God anyway"
Nothing exist for you unless you believe in it. And no explanation will help if you do not believe in the concept. If I see a concept stated from more than one
source, (especially apparently disconnected sources) it adds credibility to that concept.
Therefore, if "beyond the Eagle" is your said goal, the more you learn about that concept, the more likely you are to believe that it exists and that
belief is necessary to attain it. You will never reach it unless you believe it exists.
"God is a label and anyone can describe it"
That's the problem we all do that but our descriptions do not match each other's and so we are not communicating while thinking we are.
Anyone can make up a label and any name or number will do. But if the definition and the label of anything match, (not just God but anything) people can then
comunicate about that concept. The more specific the label the more precise the communication. I am using God as a very general term.
Like I said, the specific terms here are Eheieh, The Point, The Incomprehensible Head etc., etc. There are other terms in other philosophies and Mystic systems
which match this concept also.
My points here are more along the lines of having discovered some very "specific "concepts" in don Juan's philosophy or system of knowledge
that are also contained within another system of knowledge, the Qabala.
Any good book on spiritual subject, because of their intrinsically abstract nature, start out by stating definitions. That is necessary because everyone
throws these terms around willy nilly and no one is meaning what the other person thinks they are saying.
This is what I like about don Juan's teaching methods. He spent hours upon hours laying out explanations for his terminology. So that there would be no
mistake.
"as it suits him,.."
My point exactly!
"Which means everyone believes in God in the end but they cannot agree upon what he is"
and what to do about it."
No, it means that everyone is saying that they either do or don't believe in God, not knowing that none of them are meaning the same thing when they use
that word, and not knowing what to do about That.
"I see no evidence for that. you can say that God is everything that is or God is the sea of awareness,
but what's the point then in believing in God anyway"
Nothing exist for you unless you believe in it. And no explanation will help if you do not believe in the concept. If I see a concept stated from more than one
source, (especially apparently disconnected sources) it adds credibility to that concept.
Therefore, if "beyond the Eagle" is your said goal, the more you learn about that concept, the more likely you are to believe that it exists and that
belief is necessary to attain it. You will never reach it unless you believe it exists.
"God is a label and anyone can describe it"
That's the problem we all do that but our descriptions do not match each other's and so we are not communicating while thinking we are.
Anyone can make up a label and any name or number will do. But if the definition and the label of anything match, (not just God but anything) people can then
comunicate about that concept. The more specific the label the more precise the communication. I am using God as a very general term.
Like I said, the specific terms here are Eheieh, The Point, The Incomprehensible Head etc., etc. There are other terms in other philosophies and Mystic systems
which match this concept also.
My points here are more along the lines of having discovered some very "specific "concepts" in don Juan's philosophy or system of knowledge
that are also contained within another system of knowledge, the Qabala.
Any good book on spiritual subject, because of their intrinsically abstract nature, start out by stating definitions. That is necessary because everyone
throws these terms around willy nilly and no one is meaning what the other person thinks they are saying.
This is what I like about don Juan's teaching methods. He spent hours upon hours laying out explanations for his terminology. So that there would be no
mistake.
"as it suits him,.."
My point exactly!
"Which means everyone believes in God in the end but they cannot agree upon what he is"
and what to do about it."
No, it means that everyone is saying that they either do or don't believe in God, not knowing that none of them are meaning the same thing when they use
that word, and not knowing what to do about That.