05-30-2008, 12:00 AM
Hi Bob,
"Bob I see that your original quote was for the purpose of creating just the discussion we are having. I understand Legalism."
I started out my spiritual journey following Don Juan as a guide. Using all of his techniques and suggestions. I am not putting too fine a point on it when I
say Journey to Ixtlan was my Bible. I quit all "partying in the respect that I only took grass and mushrooms as a tool to open the door. And you are right
you don't know where you will end up without a guide. But you do end up somewhere other than you were if you take it that seriously and that far.
"Unpleasant" realms is a very mild way of describing that experience.
Later, I found a teacher. A Christian Mystic and healer and master of the Kundalini. I studied Qabala and meditation, the Mysteries in the Bible, etc. etc. I
also found that there are other realms beyond what I experienced during my stopping the world experience.
All of these experiences had one element in common. To one extent or another they were only possible because I had reached what I call "the end of
myself."
And this is my point and the reason for starting this post.
The importance of attempting to reach an unattainable goal.
NOT LEGALISM. Legalism is almost unavoidable in the attempt, I will grant you. So is Ego and self righteousness, etc., etc.
But, these can be corrected if we admit that it is OUR goal, not other's.
So let's take other people out of the picture completely for the sake of discussion and look at someone who has set their foot on the Path. A spirit
Journey of any kind.
To set an unattainable goal is to set yourself up for failure. Period. That is a goal that completely uses all of your Tonal. Every waking hour of every day is
lived for the purpose of acheiving something. Ordering your Tonal to acheive only that goal.
For Carlos the goal was "seeing."
In the Bible (Old Testament especially) it is righteousness (or right standing with God). Which also implies "seeing."
We, being human beings, surrounded by a cause and effect world, expect this Acheivement to come when we have fulfilled the requirements involved in our school
of thought.
But the Spirit, not being of the same cause and effect world has a different approach.
The moment we realize that our goal cannot be acheived and really admit it in our hearts, our Tonal, which has been rearranged to meet this one goal,
collapses. Then we Realize something.
Our goal was never attainable by our efforts at all. Our goal was never an Acheivement. It is a Realization!!!!
A realization that we were blocked from having by our Tonal or world view.
This is my point. The importance of having an un attainable goal and our reaction to it or how do we deal with it when we fail.
Do we pretend we are keeping it?
Do we water it down in order to make it easier?
Do we need an unattainable goal in the first place, or is it just another method of opening our awareness?
"Bob I see that your original quote was for the purpose of creating just the discussion we are having. I understand Legalism."
I started out my spiritual journey following Don Juan as a guide. Using all of his techniques and suggestions. I am not putting too fine a point on it when I
say Journey to Ixtlan was my Bible. I quit all "partying in the respect that I only took grass and mushrooms as a tool to open the door. And you are right
you don't know where you will end up without a guide. But you do end up somewhere other than you were if you take it that seriously and that far.
"Unpleasant" realms is a very mild way of describing that experience.
Later, I found a teacher. A Christian Mystic and healer and master of the Kundalini. I studied Qabala and meditation, the Mysteries in the Bible, etc. etc. I
also found that there are other realms beyond what I experienced during my stopping the world experience.
All of these experiences had one element in common. To one extent or another they were only possible because I had reached what I call "the end of
myself."
And this is my point and the reason for starting this post.
The importance of attempting to reach an unattainable goal.
NOT LEGALISM. Legalism is almost unavoidable in the attempt, I will grant you. So is Ego and self righteousness, etc., etc.
But, these can be corrected if we admit that it is OUR goal, not other's.
So let's take other people out of the picture completely for the sake of discussion and look at someone who has set their foot on the Path. A spirit
Journey of any kind.
To set an unattainable goal is to set yourself up for failure. Period. That is a goal that completely uses all of your Tonal. Every waking hour of every day is
lived for the purpose of acheiving something. Ordering your Tonal to acheive only that goal.
For Carlos the goal was "seeing."
In the Bible (Old Testament especially) it is righteousness (or right standing with God). Which also implies "seeing."
We, being human beings, surrounded by a cause and effect world, expect this Acheivement to come when we have fulfilled the requirements involved in our school
of thought.
But the Spirit, not being of the same cause and effect world has a different approach.
The moment we realize that our goal cannot be acheived and really admit it in our hearts, our Tonal, which has been rearranged to meet this one goal,
collapses. Then we Realize something.
Our goal was never attainable by our efforts at all. Our goal was never an Acheivement. It is a Realization!!!!
A realization that we were blocked from having by our Tonal or world view.
This is my point. The importance of having an un attainable goal and our reaction to it or how do we deal with it when we fail.
Do we pretend we are keeping it?
Do we water it down in order to make it easier?
Do we need an unattainable goal in the first place, or is it just another method of opening our awareness?