01-26-2011, 12:00 AM
He (DJ) said that seers maintain, naturally, that awareness always comes from outside ourselves, that the real mystery is not inside us. Since by nature the “emanations” at large are made to fixate what is inside the cocoon, the trick of awareness is to let the fixating emanations merge with what is inside us. Seers believe that if we let that happen we become what we really are .....fluid, forever in motion, eternal. (Immortal????) FFW.
Those ancient seers had been masters of conjecture. FFW
conjecture |kənˈjek ch ər
noun
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information
Conjecture
A conjecture is a proposition that is unproven but appears correct and has not been disproven.
Most of us are addicted to conjecture and I mean that in the severest sense of the word. We are compelled to do this. DJ put it this way.
“Our senses perceive the way they do because a specific feature of our awareness FORCES them to do so.” FFW.
There is no freedom in this! If we do not come to terms with what this means there is no hope of liberty.
DJ told CC that the eagle and emanations are not visual and that in fact there are no such things.
“The problem arises with man’s awareness. (Buddhism is far more informative when speaking of awareness in this respect here); It is his awareness that becomes entangled and confused. At the crucial moment when it should be a simple case of the emanations acknowledging themselves, man’s awareness is compelled to interpret. The result is a vision of the eagle and the eagles emanations. But there is no eagle and no eagle’s emanations. What is out there is something that no living creature can grasp!” FFW
So when faced with the unknowable we are compelled to grasp and interpret the unknowable in ever increasing complex ways....God, Supernal Sephiroth, in fact the Qabala tree of life is a great example of a “monumental edifice of abstraction”. But we need not go so far as divine mystery. The unknowable is more immediate than that and much “closer to home” and everyone without exception sees it.
Elsewhere in the Zen Magnetic forum I have been addressing in more detail this compulsion mentioned here, this craving. My words did not find much traction in that forum, probably because on a website devoted to nagualism people are not that interested in “Zen Buddhism” or they simply do not see the connection. But when it comes to the first truth about awareness Don Juan and Buddhism are speaking about the same thing. But if we are distracted with all the content of awareness (eagles emanations dreaming stalking first attention second attention etc) then awareness itself goes unnoticed. That they are speaking about the same thing is very difficult to see at first especially if one has not made any progress with the world of objects that appear to surround us.
“The first truth, (about awareness) he said, was that our familiarity with the world we perceive compels us to believe that we are surrounded by objects, existing by themselves and as themselves, just as we perceive them, whereas, in fact, there is no world of objects, but a universe of eagles emanations.” FFW
Now before those familiar with DJ’s words here start nodding in agreement and imagining that the world must then be a energetic conglomeration of filaments I ask you to just remember for a moment DJ said there were no such energetic filaments either in fact there is nothing visual about these kinds of realizations at all.
Just the other day I was on Skype with a friend and we were discussing this world of objects. I had a pen and held it up to the monitor. This object we call it a pen, we name it, we know what it does and how to use it, its made of plastic and some metal and holds ink. We have this capacity of consciousness to isolate one aspect of consciousness while viewing it with another isolated aspect. We do all this naming and isolating and are able to communicate with each other and agree and then we make the crucial error, we think we know what the object actually is! But I say to you, that object is inconceivable. It is unknowable. It never actually comes into being, ever! All attempts to know such objects as isolated phenomena with inherent being is born of compulsion and grasping. It is conceptual fantasy.
So when it comes to mapping, making the unknown......known, discovering other beings and ways of being and realms and formless, sorcery techniques that it is all fine but in the end awareness is what we are dealing with. And for those new seers following in the footsteps of Don Juan the first truth concerning awareness is regarding objects. To become proficient in all that sorcery stuff means nothing if our compulsion and grasping regarding objects does not spontaneously release. Without such spontaneous and effortless release the sense of solidity and independence of objects will bar our way to third attention and overwhelm us, obscuring the vast spaciousness of reality.
A life of compulsion is not freedom!
Those ancient seers had been masters of conjecture. FFW
conjecture |kənˈjek ch ər
noun
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information
Conjecture
A conjecture is a proposition that is unproven but appears correct and has not been disproven.
Most of us are addicted to conjecture and I mean that in the severest sense of the word. We are compelled to do this. DJ put it this way.
“Our senses perceive the way they do because a specific feature of our awareness FORCES them to do so.” FFW.
There is no freedom in this! If we do not come to terms with what this means there is no hope of liberty.
DJ told CC that the eagle and emanations are not visual and that in fact there are no such things.
“The problem arises with man’s awareness. (Buddhism is far more informative when speaking of awareness in this respect here); It is his awareness that becomes entangled and confused. At the crucial moment when it should be a simple case of the emanations acknowledging themselves, man’s awareness is compelled to interpret. The result is a vision of the eagle and the eagles emanations. But there is no eagle and no eagle’s emanations. What is out there is something that no living creature can grasp!” FFW
So when faced with the unknowable we are compelled to grasp and interpret the unknowable in ever increasing complex ways....God, Supernal Sephiroth, in fact the Qabala tree of life is a great example of a “monumental edifice of abstraction”. But we need not go so far as divine mystery. The unknowable is more immediate than that and much “closer to home” and everyone without exception sees it.
Elsewhere in the Zen Magnetic forum I have been addressing in more detail this compulsion mentioned here, this craving. My words did not find much traction in that forum, probably because on a website devoted to nagualism people are not that interested in “Zen Buddhism” or they simply do not see the connection. But when it comes to the first truth about awareness Don Juan and Buddhism are speaking about the same thing. But if we are distracted with all the content of awareness (eagles emanations dreaming stalking first attention second attention etc) then awareness itself goes unnoticed. That they are speaking about the same thing is very difficult to see at first especially if one has not made any progress with the world of objects that appear to surround us.
“The first truth, (about awareness) he said, was that our familiarity with the world we perceive compels us to believe that we are surrounded by objects, existing by themselves and as themselves, just as we perceive them, whereas, in fact, there is no world of objects, but a universe of eagles emanations.” FFW
Now before those familiar with DJ’s words here start nodding in agreement and imagining that the world must then be a energetic conglomeration of filaments I ask you to just remember for a moment DJ said there were no such energetic filaments either in fact there is nothing visual about these kinds of realizations at all.
Just the other day I was on Skype with a friend and we were discussing this world of objects. I had a pen and held it up to the monitor. This object we call it a pen, we name it, we know what it does and how to use it, its made of plastic and some metal and holds ink. We have this capacity of consciousness to isolate one aspect of consciousness while viewing it with another isolated aspect. We do all this naming and isolating and are able to communicate with each other and agree and then we make the crucial error, we think we know what the object actually is! But I say to you, that object is inconceivable. It is unknowable. It never actually comes into being, ever! All attempts to know such objects as isolated phenomena with inherent being is born of compulsion and grasping. It is conceptual fantasy.
So when it comes to mapping, making the unknown......known, discovering other beings and ways of being and realms and formless, sorcery techniques that it is all fine but in the end awareness is what we are dealing with. And for those new seers following in the footsteps of Don Juan the first truth concerning awareness is regarding objects. To become proficient in all that sorcery stuff means nothing if our compulsion and grasping regarding objects does not spontaneously release. Without such spontaneous and effortless release the sense of solidity and independence of objects will bar our way to third attention and overwhelm us, obscuring the vast spaciousness of reality.
A life of compulsion is not freedom!