01-27-2011, 12:00 AM
I am not trying to confuse things. Just showing parallels to
different systems of knowledge. I have always done that on this forum,
though I have not been active here for some time. I am not trying to
show you up or shout you down. Just adding my two cents.
If I
offended you It was not my intent. If I interupted the flow of what was
going to be more of an essay than a discussion, please let me know and I
will not post again on this particular thread. It's not a problem
either way. Bob May
Bob,
I welcome your two cents and raise you $10. I realize you are not trying to shut me down or show me up. I am not offended and I know that it was never your intent to try and do so. So please stay and play!
I am very aware of spiritual traditions especially faith based and Biblical. (Jewish, Christian, Muslim) I come from a Christian mystic back ground, Carmelite tradition. Where you are seeing parallels I am not. Each of the those big 3 faith have strong mystical traditions and roots as I am sure you are aware. But this is what I found. Every mystical faith based tradition I have come across in the last 30 years that I can see only goes so far. The mystic goal of these faith based traditions is mystical union and anyone who devotes themselves in this direction will achieve the graces and the gifts promised. I have corroborated this myself. But that is where they end at least in writing (for the most part). They are mysteriously silent about what comes after this.
Don Juan, and Buddhism seem to be exploring what comes next beyond 2nd and 3rd Jhana. They are unraveling existence itself. But in order to get into the flow of this thrust one must, as Don Juan points out, understand this world of objects, which he calls the first truth of awareness. This is that camels gate, the proverbial eye of the needle. If this first truth is mishandled and one gains entry into this world presented by DJ, then one has missed a significant opportunity, and will be glamored by the dazzling array of the contents of awareness just like the old seers.
different systems of knowledge. I have always done that on this forum,
though I have not been active here for some time. I am not trying to
show you up or shout you down. Just adding my two cents.
If I
offended you It was not my intent. If I interupted the flow of what was
going to be more of an essay than a discussion, please let me know and I
will not post again on this particular thread. It's not a problem
either way. Bob May
Bob,
I welcome your two cents and raise you $10. I realize you are not trying to shut me down or show me up. I am not offended and I know that it was never your intent to try and do so. So please stay and play!
I am very aware of spiritual traditions especially faith based and Biblical. (Jewish, Christian, Muslim) I come from a Christian mystic back ground, Carmelite tradition. Where you are seeing parallels I am not. Each of the those big 3 faith have strong mystical traditions and roots as I am sure you are aware. But this is what I found. Every mystical faith based tradition I have come across in the last 30 years that I can see only goes so far. The mystic goal of these faith based traditions is mystical union and anyone who devotes themselves in this direction will achieve the graces and the gifts promised. I have corroborated this myself. But that is where they end at least in writing (for the most part). They are mysteriously silent about what comes after this.
Don Juan, and Buddhism seem to be exploring what comes next beyond 2nd and 3rd Jhana. They are unraveling existence itself. But in order to get into the flow of this thrust one must, as Don Juan points out, understand this world of objects, which he calls the first truth of awareness. This is that camels gate, the proverbial eye of the needle. If this first truth is mishandled and one gains entry into this world presented by DJ, then one has missed a significant opportunity, and will be glamored by the dazzling array of the contents of awareness just like the old seers.