01-27-2011, 12:00 AM
ninth octave wrote:
Hi Lex, Jessica and Ninth
""When seers see, something explains everything as the new alignment takes place. IT'S A VOICE THAT TELLS THEM IN THEIR EAR WHAT'S WHAT...
THE VOICE OF SEEING ( another good name for this forum) IS A MOST MYSTERIOUS INEXPLICABLE THING.....
THE VOICE OF SEEING for the NEW SEERS is something quite INCOMPREHENSIBLE; they say it's the glow of awareness playing on the INDESCRIBABLE FORCE'S EMANATIONS as a harpist plays on a harp.
If we took away ALL descriptions , all adjectives , and all their exaggerations and are left with the analogy of a harp and the still small voice in the ear, how does one proceed?""
I was thinking about playing musical instruments as a good example of what we see in Lex's subject as I understand it:
Lex said:
""We do all this naming and isolating and are able to communicate with each other and agree and then we make the crucial error, we think we know what the object actually is! But I say to you, that object is inconceivable. It is unknowable. It never actually comes into being, ever! All attempts to know such objects as isolated phenomena with inherent being is born of compulsion and grasping. It is conceptual fantasy.
So when it comes to mapping, making the unknown......known, discovering other beings and ways of being and realms and formless, sorcery techniques that it is all fine but in the end awareness is what we are dealing with.""
We are told by many masters of awareness that the things we see around us are not solid. Some have demonstrated this in various ways. But this "compulsion to believe" that things are real is ingrained deeply in our subconscious mind and is necessary in order to function here within this world of "matter."
I think a good way of approaching this is to learn to recognise how this particular compulsion of the subconscious mind is actually at work within us. And then learn to suspend this compulsive process that is at work within us.
If this compulsion is strengthened by the internal dialog, which I believe is true, then we must first learn to turn it off.
Then we begin questioning it or taking power from it. We do this trying, in spite of ourselves (our subconscious selves) to begin to see things differently.
We can do this by ever increasing methods of "not doing." Seeing the spaces between the leaves instead of the leaves, walking for miles with eyes crossed, loving our enemies, considering the ravens who neither sow nor reap yet God provides for them etc.
Artists, because of their particular gifts, become very good at seeing things differently. But as Lex pointed out it is not just a visual phenomena we are discussing here.
Don Juan said that we can only think one thought at a time. I believe this. Yet we can, with practice, apparently assign portions of complex tasks to the subconscious realm when we are required to do so. Learning to drive a stick shift comes to mind. Typing is another one.
Another good example is playing multi-part musical pieces on stringed instruments. Harp, piano and guitar for example. Each finger has a different task to do at a different time.
So if we can assign tasks to the care of the subconscious mind by rote or practice, we should be able to, by observation and practice, learn to recognise that process at work within ourselves. Watch how we actually turn it on and off. And then we should be more able to suspend it for a period of time, when we wish to.
For several years, I worked as a concert pedal harp repairman and on hot days we would open the doors of the shop. The breeze coming in through the doors would actually cause the strings to vibrate. A very beautiful sound could be heard if the harps that were strung were tuned up.
Hi Lex, Jessica and Ninth
""When seers see, something explains everything as the new alignment takes place. IT'S A VOICE THAT TELLS THEM IN THEIR EAR WHAT'S WHAT...
THE VOICE OF SEEING ( another good name for this forum) IS A MOST MYSTERIOUS INEXPLICABLE THING.....
THE VOICE OF SEEING for the NEW SEERS is something quite INCOMPREHENSIBLE; they say it's the glow of awareness playing on the INDESCRIBABLE FORCE'S EMANATIONS as a harpist plays on a harp.
If we took away ALL descriptions , all adjectives , and all their exaggerations and are left with the analogy of a harp and the still small voice in the ear, how does one proceed?""
I was thinking about playing musical instruments as a good example of what we see in Lex's subject as I understand it:
Lex said:
""We do all this naming and isolating and are able to communicate with each other and agree and then we make the crucial error, we think we know what the object actually is! But I say to you, that object is inconceivable. It is unknowable. It never actually comes into being, ever! All attempts to know such objects as isolated phenomena with inherent being is born of compulsion and grasping. It is conceptual fantasy.
So when it comes to mapping, making the unknown......known, discovering other beings and ways of being and realms and formless, sorcery techniques that it is all fine but in the end awareness is what we are dealing with.""
We are told by many masters of awareness that the things we see around us are not solid. Some have demonstrated this in various ways. But this "compulsion to believe" that things are real is ingrained deeply in our subconscious mind and is necessary in order to function here within this world of "matter."
I think a good way of approaching this is to learn to recognise how this particular compulsion of the subconscious mind is actually at work within us. And then learn to suspend this compulsive process that is at work within us.
If this compulsion is strengthened by the internal dialog, which I believe is true, then we must first learn to turn it off.
Then we begin questioning it or taking power from it. We do this trying, in spite of ourselves (our subconscious selves) to begin to see things differently.
We can do this by ever increasing methods of "not doing." Seeing the spaces between the leaves instead of the leaves, walking for miles with eyes crossed, loving our enemies, considering the ravens who neither sow nor reap yet God provides for them etc.
Artists, because of their particular gifts, become very good at seeing things differently. But as Lex pointed out it is not just a visual phenomena we are discussing here.
Don Juan said that we can only think one thought at a time. I believe this. Yet we can, with practice, apparently assign portions of complex tasks to the subconscious realm when we are required to do so. Learning to drive a stick shift comes to mind. Typing is another one.
Another good example is playing multi-part musical pieces on stringed instruments. Harp, piano and guitar for example. Each finger has a different task to do at a different time.
So if we can assign tasks to the care of the subconscious mind by rote or practice, we should be able to, by observation and practice, learn to recognise that process at work within ourselves. Watch how we actually turn it on and off. And then we should be more able to suspend it for a period of time, when we wish to.
For several years, I worked as a concert pedal harp repairman and on hot days we would open the doors of the shop. The breeze coming in through the doors would actually cause the strings to vibrate. A very beautiful sound could be heard if the harps that were strung were tuned up.